Obama told Putin on the phone that Russia has violated international law
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[QUOTE=Thlis;44097768]Because the US signed the Budapest Memorandum.[/QUOTE]
So did Britain yet I've heard nothing but hot air from Cameron.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44097849]So did Britain yet I've heard nothing but hot air from Cameron.[/QUOTE]
except he called the UN together for a emergency meeting
what do you expect him to do, declare war right away?
[QUOTE=Explosions;44097849]So did Britain yet I've heard nothing but hot air from Cameron.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I guess we should just forget about the whole thing.
Yeah it's ok, it's not an invasion it's an uncontested arrival.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44097745]The situation in Ukraine has literally nothing to do with America. American involvement will only make the situation worse. Why is the U.S. even relevant in the conversation?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that always the situation.
America wants to do something, but can't really do a whole lot except maybe send aid, and work with the UN to impose sanctions and Embargos.
Isolationists all out of the woodwork here man.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44097247]Maybe Germany, Italy, France, and Britain should do something. Why would you want the imperialist corporate-controlled, warmongering U.S. to do anything? [B]Have the great nations of Sweden [/B]and Norway stop the Russians. We're half way around the world.[/QUOTE]
Cause our great 41.000 soldiers is enough to take on Russia. We would not even be able to hold for a week if we would be attacked, so why do you seriously think that Sweden can go against Russia? Norway wont make things better
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44097909]Isolationists all out of the woodwork here man.[/QUOTE]
Actually the isolationists have always been here in the form of nations that never participate in any crises or conflicts. Now that an American says he wants to stay out of a conflict, it becomes a big problem.
[QUOTE=theobod;44097995]Cause our great 41.000 soldiers is enough to take on Russia. We would not even be able to hold for a week if we would be attacked, so why do you seriously think that Sweden can go against Russia? Norway wont make things better[/QUOTE]
When discussing war with Russia, remember this.
Napoleon tried and failed.
Hitler tried and failed.
What's to say any of us will succeed?
[QUOTE=theobod;44097995]Cause our great 41.000 soldiers is enough to take on Russia. We would not even be able to hold for a week if we would be attacked, so why do you seriously think that Sweden can go against Russia? Norway wont make things better[/QUOTE]
Maybe the U.S. shouldn't have such a large and powerful military. Our defense budget is incomprehensibly large. Isn't that always a main point of criticism levied at America? But now it's OK to manipulate that because there might be some danger to other nations.
Putin can't risk war with the US. He'll back down at a genuine show of force.
Put an MEU and a Carrier group the Black Sea.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098022]Maybe the U.S. shouldn't have such a large and powerful military. Our defense budget is incomprehensibly large. Isn't that always a main point of criticism levied at America? But now it's OK to manipulate that because there might be some danger to other nations.[/QUOTE]
The inflated budget was because of the Cold War. and it remained because of 9/11. Now with America sorta "used" to what's up in the middle east and such, is why the Secretary of Defense wants to halve the Defense budget. Because we should focus on our interior policies.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44098023]Putin can't risk war with the US. He'll back down at a genuine show of force.
Put an MEU and a Carrier group the Black Sea.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Italy should move one of their carriers into the Black Sea. How about Spain?
Also people do alot to find reason to go "lol America sucks".
Again, we can be assholes, but we're not big gaping assholes with hemorrhoids.
[editline]1st March 2014[/editline]
break my merge why dont'cha?
Ok welp I think I just shat myself.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098022]Maybe the U.S. shouldn't have such a large and powerful military. Our defense budget is incomprehensibly large. Isn't that always a main point of criticism levied at America? But now it's OK to manipulate that because there might be some danger to other nations.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the US should not have such a large and powerful military, but if US were to engage the Russians then Europe should back you up.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44098023]Putin can't risk war with the US.[/QUOTE]
No it's the other way around. We can't risk a war with Russia, it would devastate our already struggling economy, we've slashed mil funding with the potential of more massive cuts around the corner, and we are war weary as fuck coming off of our longest war ever.
[QUOTE=Nestophales;44098083]No it's the other way around. We can't risk a war with Russia, it would devastate our already struggling economy, we've slashed mil funding with the potential of more massive cuts around the corner, and we are war weary as fuck coming off of our longest war ever.[/QUOTE]
And just think how bad it would be for the Russians.
It would fuck them up economically [I]and[/I] militarily.
Not to mention the relations in the aftermath would be shit.
Good luck with both nation's PR.
Why is my post about Spain and Italy dumb? What better cause could there be for their militaries to undertake at this moment? Why does it make more sense for a nation on the other side of the planet to send its forces instead?
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098148]Why is my post about Spain and Italy dumb? What better cause could there be for their militaries to undertake at this moment? Why does it make more sense for a nation on the other side of the planet to send its forces instead?[/QUOTE]
More combat experience, more assets.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44098171]More combat experience, more assets.[/QUOTE]
So basically you want the U.S. to attack Russia over this? You said it would be a "show of force."
Also, this comment is demeaning to the prowess and capacity of the Spanish and Italian militaries and there is no reason expect that they would be less capable than U.S. forces.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098180]So basically you want the U.S. to attack Russia over this? You said it would be a "show of force."
Also, this comment is demeaning to the prowess and capacity of the Spanish and Italian militaries and there is no reason expect that they would be less capable than U.S. forces.[/QUOTE]
In order for the threat to work, it has to be credible.
Italy and Spain aren't known for their aggression. We are.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44098200]In order for the threat to work, it has to be credible.
Italy and Spain aren't known for their aggression. We are.[/QUOTE]
So now you're suggesting that Americans put their lives at risk for some dangerous bluff for some reason.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098228]So now you're suggesting that Americans put their lives at risk for some dangerous bluff for some reason.[/QUOTE]
The whole fucking situation is dangerous.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44098228]So now you're suggesting that Americans put their lives at risk for some dangerous bluff for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Those Russians won't force themselves to back down. If Italy and Spain don't step up to the plate, then we're going to have to do it ourselves.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44098200]In order for the threat to work, it has to be credible.
Italy and Spain aren't known for their aggression. We are.[/QUOTE]
By that line of reasoning only countries with credibility should send their forces, thus gaining more experience and becoming more credibility while other countries don't. Eventually this means that a select few countries would do everything and the others would sit on the sideline. Saying we should do all the fighting because we're one of the biggest kids "on the playground" is foolish.
In my opinion this should be a joint effort, I hate how the US is the strongarm for other countries, it's draining the fuck out of us.
Going by wikipedia, the whole of the Spanish armed forces is smaller than Ukraine's.
This seems to be Spain's one and only Aircraft carrier.
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_entering_Ferrol.jpg/800px-Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_entering_Ferrol.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Hole;44098232]The whole fucking situation is dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Put some pillows over your head and you'll be fine
[QUOTE=Del91;44098247]Going by wikipedia, the whole of the Spanish armed forces is smaller than Ukraine's.
This seems to be Spain's one and only Aircraft carrier.
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_entering_Ferrol.jpg/800px-Spanish_ship_Juan_Carlos_I_entering_Ferrol.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
What is even the point of that little fucking boat. Can you even load aircraft into it? Can you land an aircraft on it?
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