US Presidential candidates react to the Belgium terror attacks, ranging from blame to support
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[QUOTE=gman003-main;49988734]3/900,000 is not "only 1%". It's closer to 0.00001%. That's bordering on homeopathic.
I used to work on a major financials system. We guaranteed 99.999% reliability - meaning we could shut the system down for only five minutes [I]per year[/I] before contracts kicked in and we had to shell out major cash. And that is ten times [I]less[/I] reliable than the statement "no Belgian Muslims are terrorists".[/QUOTE]
You do realize that those aren't the only Muslim terrorists in the world right? How dense can you be?
[QUOTE=gman003-main;49988734]3/900,000 is not "only 1%". It's closer to 0.00001%. That's bordering on homeopathic.
I used to work on a major financials system. We guaranteed 99.999% reliability - meaning we could shut the system down for only five minutes [I]per year[/I] before contracts kicked in and we had to shell out major cash. And that is ten times [I]less[/I] reliable than the statement "no Belgian Muslims are terrorists".[/QUOTE]
It's the magical 6-9. An IT unicorn.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988717][URL]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30[/URL]
During the last 30 days, there were 114 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 1127 people were killed and 1599 injured. And that doesn't even count Brussels. They have a problem with violent attacks, why act like the problem doesn't exist? We should watch them and prevent as many of these attacks as we possibly can.
Oh yeah, the Christians made ISIS. The Christians did Paris, the Christians did Brussels, the Christians did Cologne, the Christians did 9/11. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?[/QUOTE]
The United States had a big role in destroying the stability in the Middle East, which yeah, ultimately led to those events. Obviously the US didn't do 9/11, and yeah some of our interventions in the Middle East were justified, but the outcome was still the same.
Not to mention, today 1 person can kill 30 people. Hell, 8 people killed 3,000. What about the other billion that did nothing wrong and just want to live their lives unharassed? Put yourself in their shoes and imagine how they feel. You also never answered my other question:
[QUOTE=lope;49988669]At what point in history did forcing people into designated communities and heavily policing them turn out good? Regardless of what a the people did, scapegoating and shoving all of those people into a single area never ended well. It's a huge infringement of rights no matter where in the world you are.[/QUOTE]
Especially based on religion, which is so easy to generalize. People were murdered in the Holocaust who didn't even believe in Judaism. Should I be put into an American ghetto for Muslims because my cousin's mom had a sister who was Muslim even though she converted to Christianity?
Take any course on genocide and the first thing they teach you is to avoid the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups#Group_homogeneity"]"us vs them"[/URL] mentality. This is the mentality the Nazis had. This is the mentality the Soviets had. This is the mentality ISIS has. This shouldn't be the mentality the president of the Untied States has.
Here's another set of facts for you:
The current population growth of Belgium is 55 people per day.
That means Belgium - a country known primarily for chocolate, waffles, beer and painting - could withstand an attack like this [I]daily[/I], for the foreseeable future, without breaking.
Our response to these terrorist attacks could [I]literally[/I] be "not giving a shit", and we would make it through. It would suck, certainly - I'm not advocating that we [I]should[/I] do this - but Islamic terrorism is not an existential threat to Western Civilization. Neither, fortunately, are people like you - because, in the grand scheme of things, you and your way of thinking are going the same way as ISIS and their way of thinking.
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[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988742]You do realize that those aren't the only Muslim terrorists in the world right? How dense can you be?[/QUOTE]
About 980 kilograms per cubic meter, same as any human.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;49988775]Here's another set of facts for you:
The current population growth of Belgium is 55 people per day.
That means Belgium - a country known primarily for chocolate, waffles, beer and painting - could withstand an attack like this [I]daily[/I], for the foreseeable future, without breaking.
Our response to these terrorist attacks could [I]literally[/I] be "not giving a shit", and we would make it through. It would suck, certainly - I'm not advocating that we [I]should[/I] do this - but Islamic terrorism is not an existential threat to Western Civilization. Neither, fortunately, are people like you - because, in the grand scheme of things, you and your way of thinking are going the same way as ISIS and their way of thinking.[/QUOTE]
Who cares if a country could withstand an attack? The numbers of deaths are more than just numbers, they're people. They have family, friends, and lives of their own. Imagine if that was you or your loved ones. But no one gave a shit because "it's okay, the country has a lot of people". That truly is a disgusting mentality.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988803]The numbers of deaths are more than just numbers, they're people. They have family, friends, and lives of their own. Imagine if that was you or your loved ones.[/QUOTE]
And all the non-terrorist Muslims that you're consigning to detention or concentration camps do not have family, friends, or lives of their own?
You will note that I said "we should not actually do this". *I* am certainly not in need of any reminders on the sanctity of human life.
You, however, seem to have gleefully relegated a full billion-and-a-half people to the category "not human", based purely on the actions of mere dozens. And that?
[B]That[/B] truly is a disgusting mentality.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988803]Who cares if a country could withstand an attack? The numbers of deaths are more than just numbers, they're people. They have family, friends, and lives of their own. Imagine if that was you or your loved ones. But no one gave a shit because "it's okay, the country has a lot of people". That truly is a disgusting mentality.[/QUOTE]
You've completely missed the point of his post.
He's not saying "let them do whatever it doesn't matter", he's saying that it's a huge exaggeration to say that they're destroying Europe or "are a threat to Western civilization"
[QUOTE=gman003-main;49988826]And all the non-terrorist Muslims that you're consigning to detention or concentration camps do not have family, friends, or lives of their own?
You will note that I said "we should not actually do this". *I* am certainly not in need of any reminders on the sanctity of human life.
You, however, seem to have gleefully relegated a full billion-and-a-half people to the category "not human", based purely on the actions of mere dozens. And that?
[B]That[/B] truly is a disgusting mentality.[/QUOTE]
Who said anything about camps? I don't want them in my country. I want safe zones in their country for the ones not blowing up airports, not committing mass molestation, not doing mass shootings, not flying air planes into buildings.
Their ideology has a problem with violence. Germany took in refugees, their women are raped. Belgium took in refugees, their airport was blown up with at least 30 killed. Sweden has open borders and took in a ton of muslims, it has the most rapes in Europe. This is more than "mere dozens", there have been at least 28,000 Islamic attacks in the past 15 years. This isn't working, it's not doing anyone any good. There is a problem with their way of thinking that doesn't mesh with ours.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988855]Who said anything about camps? I don't want them in my country.[/QUOTE]
A concentration camp the size of a country is still a concentration camp. You are still relegating them to subhuman status - not-worth-caring-about-as-humans status - by virtue of wanting to keep them out of "clean" countries.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988855]Sweden has open borders and took in a ton of muslims, it has the most rapes in Europe.
There have been at least 28,000 Islamic attacks in the past 15 years. [/QUOTE]
Citations, please? Because both of those numbers smell like bullshit. Sources must include definitions of what they're measuring, BTW, otherwise their numbers are meaningless.
[QUOTE=orgornot;49987744]Trump hasn't changed his positions and has been saying the same things for decades.
[video=youtube;SEPs17_AkTI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI[/video]
Sounds exactly like a Trump rally speech you would hear today.[/QUOTE]
Sure, he's been spewing the same leftist economics for decades, but that doesn't change the fact that most of his positions shift constantly. Take his position on Israel that went from being "neutral" to being fully on Israel's side during his AIPAC speech.
Or how about killing terrorist families?
Or how about torturing terrorists?
Or how about sending troops in to fight ISIS?
Or how about whether we should deport all the illegal immigrants or let the good one's stay?
Or how about having a fair tax? Or maybe not.
etc.
He's been on both sides of these positions during the race, and that's just s small list.
[QUOTE=orgornot;49987445]Trump is the only one who saw this coming.
[video=youtube;a6XtEJtl2cg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6XtEJtl2cg[/video]
This is from January I believe.[/QUOTE]
This is a huge stretch, to be honest. Islam related crap in Brussels has been happening for a while, anything could've happened. I'm not saying that this terrorist incident was predictable, but terror attacks are becoming incredibly frequent to the point where you could probably say "There's going to be another major terror attack in the next 6 months in <key european city 1> or <key european city 2> and we're all going to be having this conversation again."
But I digress because he wasn't talking about terror attacks, he was talking about islamic activity in those two key areas: France and Brussels. I could say that there's something going on in Sweden related to islam and I would be right, but no one would say "BURGER WAS RIGHT" because I'm not Donald Trump.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988855]Who said anything about camps? I don't want them in my country. I want safe zones in their country for the ones not blowing up airports, not committing mass molestation, not doing mass shootings, not flying air planes into buildings.
Their ideology has a problem with violence. [B]Germany took in refugees, their women are raped. Belgium took in refugees, their airport was blown up with at least 30 killed. Sweden has open borders and took in a ton of muslims, it has the most rapes in Europe.[/B] This is more than "mere dozens", there have been at least 28,000 Islamic attacks in the past 15 years. This isn't working, it's not doing anyone any good. There is a problem with their way of thinking that doesn't mesh with ours.[/QUOTE]
Nice relations you're establishing here.
I read that sentence in bold with a Trump voice in my head.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988670]There were three that did. You can go "oh, it's only 1%". Yes, the percentage doesn't sound very bad. [/QUOTE]
1%? No that percentage is utterly delusional, as you ought to be well aware.
By supporting measures that discriminate and marginalize a massive part of the population just in order to fight against individuals, you are in fact only pushing more individuals into extremism. It's not like we haven't repeated this mistake, and it's not like European terrorist organizations haven't been bolstered in the past due to it. Hell, if some retard of a politician supported organizing a force like the Black and Tans, you'd probably celebrate.
And before you bring up "But x% of Muslims in y country are backwards", at least they don't outright support ISIS. What you are pushing for, [i]does[/i] help ISIS.
what an amazing thread
fat while lump goes from posting complete bullshit numbers, and then when he gets called out that his numbers are garbage, goes "it's not about the numbers guys when it comes to deaths"
and then when he's asked for sources on some more numbers, he disappears
crazy
Maybe that's because Fat White Lump is a Fat White Gimmick.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988593]It would sound fine if the Jews were doing what the Muslims are.[/QUOTE]
This is what it looks like to go full retard.
[QUOTE=orgornot;49987744]Trump hasn't changed his positions and has been saying the same things for decades.
[video=youtube;SEPs17_AkTI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI[/video]
Sounds exactly like a Trump rally speech you would hear today.[/QUOTE]
Intellectually vapid? Yeah pretty much.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988646]I do. But I'm not familiar with how many terrorist attacks the Jews did in the 1940s, can you remind me?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing[/url]
[url] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine [/url]
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988593]It would sound fine if the Jews were doing what the Muslims are.[/QUOTE]
Jews are tricking and fucking up the world economy. So yeah it'd be fine if we patrolled Jewish neighborhoods.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49989018]Sure, he's been spewing the same leftist economics for decades, but that doesn't change the fact that most of his positions shift constantly. Take his position on Israel that went from being "neutral" to being fully on Israel's side during his AIPAC speech.[/QUOTE]
Unlike the other candidates, he's not sucking Israel's dick. He wants them to pay the US (!) for protection and not the other way around. And this is not just for Israel but other nations like Germany, Saudi Arabia and Iceland.
He just used his anti-Iran-deal stance to get AIPAC's support without mentioning the other things that would make him lose their support. He played the AIPAC crowd just like a typical rally.
[QUOTE] Or how about killing terrorist families?
Or how about torturing terrorists?
Or how about sending troops in to fight ISIS?
Or how about whether we should deport all the illegal immigrants or let the good one's stay?
Or how about having a fair tax? Or maybe not.
etc.
[B]He's been on both sides[/B] of these positions during the race, and that's just s small list. [/QUOTE]
Can you give examples of where he has switched sides on these issues?
AFAIK these are the typical republican stances and he has always had them.
[URL="https://www.gop.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-hillarys-flip-flops/"]Meanwhile Clinton has been actively flip-flopping on issues like gay marriage, TPP, NAFTA, Keystone XL. [/URL]
Christians shot up a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs. Time to police Christian neighborhoods, fellas.
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;49991760]Christians shot up a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs. Time to police Christian neighborhoods, fellas.[/QUOTE]
Hey, some atheist shot up some people. Time to patrol every neighbourhood that doesn't have a specific religious denomination to it. Aw hell let's just declare nationwide martial law and get it over with.
[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49988593]It would sound fine if the Jews were doing what the Muslims are.
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lol didn't even last to his toxx
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;49991376]Jews are tricking and fucking up the world economy. So yeah it'd be fine if we patrolled Jewish neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]
How? Maybe I'm living in a cave, but this is the first time I've heard this. Could you explain? I'm genuinely curious.
When talking about the percentage of terrorists in muslim communities, one also has to consider the usually quiet and more "moderate" muslims, but who still support the terrorists ideology but won't act on it, at least not by direct terror attack. And that percentage is truly terrifying, for example, 7% (average of different polls) of turks do not view ISIS as a terrorist organization. There are so many different polls, a quick google search will bring a lot of them up.
And for example, when Paris attacks mastermind was arrested in molenbeek, there were riots because of that in there.
[url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/653818/Molenbeek-terror-raid-Paris-attacks-Salah-Abdeslam-Belgium-riot-police[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49991376]Jews are tricking and fucking up the world economy. So yeah it'd be fine if we patrolled Jewish neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]
Jews are collectively conspiring to mess with the world economy? Source?
Source: Daily Stormer and Stormfront.
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;49991760]Christians shot up a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs. Time to police Christian neighborhoods, fellas.[/QUOTE]
Tell me when the WBC shoots 100 people at a concert and kidnaps over one hundred schoolchildren as sex slaves. It's safe to say that they currently have the worst radicals out of any religion.
