It happened: Russia Invades Ukraine. You read that right ... AKA Shit hits the fan. - Polidicks

Who's going to stop Russia?

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45827340]Why would you think one logically follows the other? Russia isn't the third Reich. If they do annex any other countries, and I doubt that they will, it would likely be something close by that none of the other world powers are going to give a practical shit about besides a song and dance. Say, Belarus. And that's only likely is Belarus has a similar situation to Ukraine, which they don't.[/QUOTE] Russia has no reason to fuck around with Belarus because Belarus is already a Russian colony.

[QUOTE=Solomon;45827402]Who's going to stop Russia?[/QUOTE] No one, not unless we wanna step in, and step on Putin's foot in the process, thus resulting in him either threatening to, or straight up declaring War.

[QUOTE=NoDachiUK;45827390]They have consistently denied involvement the whole time.[/QUOTE] No I mean they haven't denied this one. [sp]yet[/sp] [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Solomon;45827402]Who's going to stop Russia?[/QUOTE] Quick, someone get the Reichtangle! He's the only one that can save us now!

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45827264]You're probably right, I was just speculating, but it seems a lot of the time somebody has some crazy distorted opinion on the history of wars, it's because of something they learned in school.[/QUOTE] The US history in schools only presents very general history, especially when it comes to wars. If a student is interested in history and wants more in depth information, they'll either have to take advance classes or take history classes in college.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45827455]The US history in schools only presents very general history, especially when it comes to wars. If a student is interested in history and wants more in depth information, they'll either have to take advance classes or take history classes in college.[/QUOTE] Or do their own research. The US education system in general is very based on teaching you general skills to be used in certain fields so that you have options when entering the workforce.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45826443]Yeah a few years later America showed up and won the war on 2 different sides of the globe[/QUOTE] You're embarrassing to me and other Americans on this site, stop acting like you are, its childish.

just thought i post this one in regard of "satelite" photos [img]http://cs624118.vk.me/v624118105/31d/4QoT1cKktvs.jpg[/img] A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info.

[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/8acS7w.png[/img] Five million hours in paint

[QUOTE=Telepethi;45827600][img]http://i.cubeupload.com/8acS7w.png[/img] Five million hours in paint[/QUOTE] crimea should've been atop of rusreich and then it would be perfect)))

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45826443]Yeah a few years later America showed up and won the war on 2 different sides of the globe[/QUOTE] I don't understand Either you are very dim-witted... Or a mastermind troll, in which case you should be banned. Because the things you say are obviously ignorant and to incite a flame war. [QUOTE]A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info. [/QUOTE] I don't understand, what's your point? Google maps is outdated and that picture in black and white wasn't done with it if that's what you mean. You can clearly see the terrain differences between one pic and the other.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45827590]just thought i post this one in regard of "satelite" photos [img]http://cs624118.vk.me/v624118105/31d/4QoT1cKktvs.jpg[/img] A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info.[/QUOTE] whats the problem

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45827616]crimea should've been atop of rusreich and then it would be perfect)))[/QUOTE] But Russtangle and Crimea have not yet been united. That's why Russia is going after Ukraine. To unite with his new son.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45827590]just thought i post this one in regard of "satelite" photos [img]http://cs624118.vk.me/v624118105/31d/4QoT1cKktvs.jpg[/img] A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info.[/QUOTE] You want to provide some context for these random images?

[QUOTE=draugur;45826706]Uhm no, see this is completely false. Had the Allies not regrouped in the West and got their shit together (not that America was the saving grace of the war, but they did help quite a bit by adding a bunch more manpower to the fight), Germany would have been fighting entirely on one front with the bulk of their military, the Russians would have been fucked at that point. The only reason the Germans lost was due to pussy-footing around with taking cities that weren't Moscow that they obviously didn't have the manpower or supplies to hold. They would have been fine had the Western front not taken the majority of the supplies and troops.[/QUOTE] One word: Bagration. The complete destruction of an entire German Army Group, the Army Group that was posed to take Moscow in 1941 but failed. The overrun of German forces all the way back to the Baltic, Lithuania and Poland. In strategic terms, barely a step away to Berlin from there. The Soviets would've definitely got there, SHAEF or not.

[QUOTE=Fort83;45827927]It appears the first satellite photo is upside down.[/QUOTE] Which pretty much means nothing.

[QUOTE=draugur;45826706]Uhm no, see this is completely false. Had the Allies not regrouped in the West and got their shit together (not that America was the saving grace of the war, but they did help quite a bit by adding a bunch more manpower to the fight), Germany would have been fighting entirely on one front with the bulk of their military, the Russians would have been fucked at that point. The only reason the Germans lost was due to pussy-footing around with taking cities that weren't Moscow that they obviously didn't have the manpower or supplies to hold. They would have been fine had the Western front not taken the majority of the supplies and troops.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but that is the bullshit they feed us in our history textbooks. The war ended the minute Hitler invaded arguably the most powerful entity in the world at that point. We like to pretend that the German war machine was at its height and only beatable by the "good guys" teaming up to pub-stomp the Hun, but in truth Russia's industrial capacity, numerical superiority, and even their technology was better. But that is also forgetting the logistics of it all. Russia is a huge and, at the time, it lacked a lot of infrastructure. The Ruskies fought bitterly every inch of it. Hitler simply couldn't keep his men sufficiently supplied. It isn't Russians or Russian winters that will defeat you; it's the sheer enormity of the country. The problem with your post is that the battles you are referring to (Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad, e.t.c) that the US supposedly "saved" the Soviets from losing by distracting Hitler [I]all happened before the Allied landings at Normandy.[/I] Sure, we had invaded Italy by that point, but as the First World War shows us the Alps are almost impossible to surmount, especially when troops are harassing you the whole way (this is why Hannibal's feat is still remember well over 2,200 years later). What really [I]did[/I] help the Soviets (that our history books somehow forget to mention) was the Lend-Lease act, which helped make up for Russia's lack of equipment and vehicles (especially logistical vehicles like trucks) as Stalin's virtual reconstruction of the Russian economy had left them without these things in the early war. Even without that gear, the Russians still would have won. Giving the benefit of the doubt, even [I]if[/I] Hitler managed to conquer Russia, rebellions and discontent would force him right back out again. I'm not siding with Russia or anything; they were and are still horrible (or their government is, anyways, no offense to Russian FPers), but by 1944 the war was basically over. Hitler wasn't coming back from Barbarossa. Although US involvement was crucial to the war (especially with Japan), there just isn't a feasible way that Hitler could defeat the Soviet Union in its prime. Invading Russia is a logistical nightmare that even the most advanced armies today couldn't pull off. Good GOD did I derail that shit. Getting back on track: this is a nightmare. So far the Russians seem to just be helping the separatists and maybe sizing up the effectiveness and resolve of the new Ukrainian government and their military. If they make repeated success, I expect them to keep on going, as Putin has already gambled to much to back down now. [QUOTE=Korova;45826183]Putin needs to stop putting on his nostalgia goggles for the Soviet Union. He was a fucking KGB agent. He didn't exactly live the typical soviet life and that era sucked for everyone, except him.[/QUOTE] Putin is hardly the only one. Times in the Soviet Union were generally better for a large part of the population than they are now. I've read upwards of half of Russian citizens would like to see the Union return, and it isn't hard to see why. Communism may not be very effective, but it was way more equal. People in Russia are chafing under the free market system because Russia's collapse and transition from a communist economy to a market one was rapid and unstable. Once again, I agree that Putin is completely mad, but you have to understand why so many people support his actions. For many, life in the Soviet Union [I]was[/I] actually better than life in Russia today in many ways. We only think differently because we constantly get the idea that Soviet Russia was some kind of dystopia rammed down our throats. Sure, it sucked for pretty much everyone outside of Russia (Poland and East Germany were deliberately kept poor after WWII) but in Russia itself things weren't too bad so people are nostalgic for it.

It all makes pefrect sense when you flip it over. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bavfvcL.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45827590]just thought i post this one in regard of "satelite" photos [img]http://cs624118.vk.me/v624118105/31d/4QoT1cKktvs.jpg[/img] A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info.[/QUOTE]Is this what the term "grasping at straws" means

[QUOTE=TestECull;45826677]You mean Hitler threw the war away when he invaded Russia, right? Not to play down American efforts and all, but Operation Barbarossa is the reason the Allies won in World War Two. It divided Hitler's army such that he could not hold back the tides, and he pissed off an enemy that he probably couldn't have beaten even if it was the only one he was fighting.[/QUOTE] There was a good chance Stalin intended to invade Germany anyway. He made references to it in several speeches, they were rolling out the new T-34/76's (the best tank in the world at it's inception), new weapons (SVT-40, DS-39), and the massive military buildup on Germany's border (which was a huge reason why Germany made such huge gains at the beginning).

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;45828067]words[/QUOTE] That's a great post. However I don't understand: everybody says "Putin is promoting USSR nostalgia and USSR v2". But what did he do that signals this way? Current Russia is nothing like USSR, except for mentality of people.

[QUOTE=Solomon;45827402]Who's going to stop Russia?[/QUOTE] 4chan

The only ones nostalgic for USSR are the КПРФ party, the Commie party of russland federation, and their followers. That's a really small percentage of population (their candidates for anything higher then a town mayor never get more then 3% votes). They are "clown opposition", funded by the government to keep 50-70 people nostalgic, but powerless.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;45827590]just thought i post this one in regard of "satelite" photos [IMG]http://cs624118.vk.me/v624118105/31d/4QoT1cKktvs.jpg[/IMG] A nice reminder regarding accuracy of such type of info.[/QUOTE] Can we get an explanation here? The image is flipped so that the vehicles are upright and easier to identify. North is clearly labelled correctly.

[QUOTE=ichiman94;45828452]4chan[/QUOTE] We have our own image boards, namely двач (2ch). That's gonna be a great battle.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45828299]There was a good chance Stalin intended to invade Germany anyway. He made references to it in several speeches, they were rolling out the new T-34/76's (the best tank in the world at it's inception), new weapons (SVT-40, DS-39), and the massive military buildup on Germany's border (which was a huge reason why Germany made such huge gains at the beginning).[/QUOTE] That's not really true, Hitler tried to claim that the USSR was poised to invade Germany to justify his actions to the neutral countries. I suggest you watch the first episode of Soviet Storm.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45828471]We have our own image boards, namely двач (2ch). That's gonna be a great battle.[/QUOTE] But Двач is already dead

[QUOTE=BluesLS;45828530]But Двач is already dead[/QUOTE] The warriors are waiting for a chance to rise.

I live in Estonia and the power went off for 2 hours for no reason ( clear weather ) and I thought that now the invasion is here.

[QUOTE=koppel;45828593]I live in Estonia and the power went off for 2 hours for no reason ( clear weather ) and I thought that now the invasion is here.[/QUOTE] Sorry, saboteurs probably got confused again.