It happened: Russia Invades Ukraine. You read that right ... AKA Shit hits the fan. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;45834233]I hope Russia won't turn their invading eyes towards Finland. Or we will have a real-life 7-hour war.[/QUOTE] We have had enough of your White Death shit, we would rather stay the fuck away.

So not only does Putin not tell the separatists to lay down their arms, he also supports the creation of "Noworossija" (New Russia) and compares the Ukranian Army to the Wehrmacht. Awesome.

[QUOTE=uber.;45834453]So not only does Putin not tell the separatists to lay down their arms, he also supports the creation of "Noworossija" (New Russia) and compares the Ukranian Army to the Wehrmacht. Awesome.[/QUOTE] You do realise that Noworossija is a jargon name for Ukraine? And where did he compare Ukrainian army to Wehrmacht?

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45834491]You do realise that Noworossija is a jargon name for Ukraine? And where did he compare Ukrainian army to Wehrmacht?[/QUOTE] Well apparently it's also a word used by Russian hardliners to describe the southeast of Ukraine. [url]http://www.interfax.ru/russia/393997[/url]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45826197]Why should we get involved? This doesn't concern us or threaten us[/QUOTE] This is why you will never become the president.

[QUOTE=uber.;45834609]Well apparently it's also a word used by Russian hardliners to describe the southeast of Ukraine. [url]http://www.interfax.ru/russia/393997[/url][/QUOTE] I dunno, its always used for Ukraine in general. Maybe stuff changed. Oh, seems like he did. He has a point though.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45834290]We have had enough of your White Death shit, we would rather stay the fuck away.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the modern equivalents of Simo Häyhä will surely show you... how to hide in cellars while the least urbanized city in all of Europe, that is the Helsinki, will get bombed to rubble from kilometers away.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45834654]Yeah, the modern equivalents of Simo Häyhä will surely show you... how to hide in cellars while the least urbanized city in all of Europe that is the Helsinki will get bombed to rubble from kilometers away.[/QUOTE] What if there will be a Simo Hayha driving a missile drone and beat 800 our missile drones?

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45834654]Yeah, the modern equivalents of Simo Häyhä will surely show you... how to hide in cellars while the least urbanized city in all of Europe, that is the Helsinki, will get bombed to rubble from kilometers away.[/QUOTE]the war would be so short that there wouldn't even be time for any equivalents to pop up

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45834651]I dunno, its always used for Ukraine in general. Maybe stuff changed. Oh, seems like he did. He has a point though.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it used mainly before ukraine claimed its national identity and was the stomping ground for Russia, Poland, Turkey, the Cossacks and anyone else who fancied their chances (Germany, AustroHungry, France)

[QUOTE=Melnek;45833372]Putin's KGB past is extremely exaggerated, he was a regular operative and never even got promoted because he was just a regular desk clerk. People like to mention it regardless because the mere name of the KGB bares these mysteriously sinister connotations and people like to think that anyone who worked there secretly murdered and kidnapped countless of unknowns.[/QUOTE] It's not extremely exaggerated. Any member who has previously worked within a intelligence agency for a long time, specially in authoritarian countries and no matter its level of involvement develops contacts, a specific mindset and an eye for certain things. The ones who carried kidnaps were civilians or people with non-military status. It has been a rule since I.Agencies were created. The Task Forces in Argentina did, the DINA did it, the NVKD did it, etc etc etc [QUOTE]He had never been a desk clerk or at least you can't prove it. Later he got into the political game thanks to Yeltsin which basically gave him the throne before leaving. [/QUOTE] [B]He worked in Berlin as a desk clerk checking mail letters and the deepest involvement in espionage as in acquiring enemy information was getting a manual from a US army officer....[/B]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;45834692]the war would be so short that there wouldn't even be time for any equivalents to pop up[/QUOTE]Don't worry, the employees of Hesburger will piss on their chicken nuggets and cheeseburgers. We'll get our revenge!

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45834290]We have had enough of your White Death shit, we would rather stay the fuck away.[/QUOTE] You'll destroy us easily. Our 5 (or 3?) hornets or whatever and probably similar amount of tanks aren't enough to ward off Estonia.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;45834692]the war would be so short that there wouldn't even be time for any equivalents to pop up[/QUOTE] gl mobilizing your army when its raining bombs

[QUOTE=laserguided;45826376]"It's never going to happen" [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] The Soviet and now Russian military is a highly professional force, training and expertise beats equipment most of the time.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHA. What? A mostly conscription-based military can't be professional by definition.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45826443]Yeah a few years later America showed up and won the war on 2 different sides of the globe[/QUOTE] You're adorable.

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;45836225]You'll destroy us easily. Our 5 (or 3?) hornets or whatever and probably similar amount of tanks aren't enough to ward off Estonia.[/QUOTE]The videos they show you about the Air Force when you're waiting for the doc to assess your conscription viability are absolutely hilarious. Top Gun v2: Finnish Boogaloo. They of course neglect to mention that conscripts in the Air Force are just there to polish the toilets.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45835868]It's not extremely exaggerated. Any member who has previously worked within a intelligence agency for a long time, specially in authoritarian countries and no matter its level of involvement develops contacts, a specific mindset and an eye for certain things. The ones who carried kidnaps were civilians or people with non-military status. It has been a rule since I.Agencies were created. The Task Forces in Argentina did, the DINA did it, the NVKD did it, etc etc etc [B]He worked in Berlin as a desk clerk checking mail letters and the deepest involvement in espionage as in acquiring enemy information was getting a manual from a US army officer....[/B][/QUOTE] You pulled that from Masha Gessen's book on Putin. Masha gessen is an LGBT activist who has always been a vitriolic in her opposition to Putin. Besides the fact her work is marked by bias, do I really have to point out why its likely she'd have no clue what the KGB actually do?

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45833838]I am afraid to tell you, but Putin once stopped a huge angry crowd in Berlin. A lot of people rushed to the Russian embassy and Putin was the only one who walked out to them, fired a gun in the air and somehow calmed the crowd down.[/QUOTE] That reminds me of how this guy walked into the gas station and walked out with all the money. He must've been really well liked if they just gave him all that money like that. He had a gun just like Putin did, what a coincidence. [editline]29th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45833601]What is Ukraine's other option? If they continue they will get further in debt, more damaged cities, more dead guys and if it counts as war they wont be able to get the big loans and won't get able to enter EU. There would also be the possibility of losing the east all together which would be devastating to them. If they don't fix ties with Russia they'll struggle getting fuel and unrest will continue with the various people who identify themselves more as Russians than European/Ukrainian. They're kind of in a lose lose situation.[/QUOTE] True, Ukraine is fighting a huge uphill battle, and ultimately they may not win. Their whole history they've been a pushover or Russia's bitch. Russia became their main fuel supplier, exported it's population to their industrial sector, and generally propped up their economy. Now Ukraine is in a "marry your rapist" situation with Russia. They'll benefit from a stable relationship with Russia, but Russia wants control over Ukraine. Since Ukraine is refusing, they've invaded Crimea and funded an insurgency in the East. Ukraine will continue trying to appeal to the West, and Russia will continue destabilizing the country. They'll need a Deus ex machina to become a productive and stable country again.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45839700]That reminds me of how this guy walked into the gas station and walked out with all the money. He must've been really well liked if they just gave him all that money like that. He had a gun just like Putin did, what a coincidence. [editline]29th August 2014[/editline] True, Ukraine is fighting a huge uphill battle, and ultimately they may not win. Their whole history they've been a pushover or Russia's bitch. Russia became their main fuel supplier, exported it's population to their industrial sector, and generally propped up their economy. Now Ukraine is in a "marry your rapist" situation with Russia. They'll benefit from a stable relationship with Russia, but Russia wants control over Ukraine. Since Ukraine is refusing, they've invaded Crimea and funded an insurgency in the East. Ukraine will continue trying to appeal to the West, and Russia will continue destabilizing the country. They'll need a Deus ex machina to become a productive and stable country again.[/QUOTE] I doubt Russia wants to fuck up Ukraine. They will take some lands and leave