Chelsea Manning 'may sue' over gender dysphoria therapy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cructo;44852778]so could i yet i dont get my treatment paid by the gov't[/QUOTE] v [QUOTE]prisoners getting taxpayer-funded treatment for conditions that private citizens have to pay to get treatment for is a problem with America's healthcare system, not it's prison system.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cructo;44852778]so could i yet i dont get my treatment paid by the gov't[/QUOTE] ... [URL="http://www.yspp.org/about_suicide/statistics.htm"]50%[/URL] implies that its far more likely that she will then you. We treat depression on tax payer dollars this is no different whatsoever.

while it's hard to kill yourself under maximum security i'd rather not have anyone undergo the mental stress resulting from not getting this surgery

Wait hold on when did Bradley become Chelsea?

[QUOTE=Cructo;44852778]so could i yet i dont get my treatment paid by the gov't[/QUOTE] you aren't under the direct care of the government in a facility owned and opereated by the government. [QUOTE=frozensoda;44852795]I literally tried to kill myself and still couldn't get treatment beyond a 3 day stay in a room by myself. I don't feel sorry for her because she committed a crime that put people at risk, and people who didn't do that take precedent over her for treatment, which we currently cannot get. I get it, you really feel for transgender people's issues and if this were anyone else who wasn't in prison, I would agree that they should get treatment. I'm for the same type of system you are, I just think that it would be a travesty of justice for criminals to be allowed treatment that non-criminals can't get because they are poor.[/QUOTE] because the issue you're talking about isn't an issue with the prison system, its an issue with america's healthcare. as much as it sucks thats just how it is right now. why deny someone who CAN receive treatment just because you think they're lower for any reason.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44852797]Did I hurt your feelings or something? There's no need to be a cunt just because you don't like someone asking a question. It sucks that you're in that position, but that doesn't give you the right to lash out at others asking a simple question.[/QUOTE] Didn't mean to be a cunt, these threads on FP usually end in a shitflinging fest so I thought you where being dumb.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852714]transphobia is literally black and white. you either accept someone for who they are and help them, or you don't (which is obv. wrong)[/QUOTE] Or I could accept them for who they are and not help them. You don't have to help everyone. Just sayin'. Just because she's trans doesn't make her depression any more severe than mine. I have existential bouts of depression, too, but I have to pay a therapist for that shit.

[QUOTE=Coffee;44852825]Wait hold on when did Bradley become Chelsea?[/QUOTE] bradley was breanna before she even thought about leaking shit, she changed her name to Chelsea later. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=protoAuthor;44852831]Or I could accept them for who they are and not help them. You don't have to help everyone. Just sayin'. Just because she's trans doesn't make her depression any more severe than mine. I have existential bouts of depression, too, but I have to pay a therapist for that shit.[/QUOTE] the fact she is under government care means her depression is the governments issue, though.

[QUOTE=Cructo;44852778]so could i yet i dont get my treatment paid by the gov't[/QUOTE] then take it up w/ the gov't your problem is with them

[QUOTE=Paige;44852828]you aren't under the direct care of the government in a facility owned and opereated by the government. because the issue you're talking about isn't an issue with the prison system, its an issue with america's healthcare. as much as it sucks thats just how it is right now. why deny someone who CAN receive treatment just because you think they're lower for any reason.[/QUOTE] I was denied treatment, but that's not an issue for you because... I'm not in prison? or because I'm not transgender? Why is it ok that I be allowed to leave a mental healthcare facility with no treatment beyond isolation but if this criminal goes without therapy then it's the biggest deal ever? Here in rockford you have to [B]literally[/B] camp outside the building to be one of the lucky 8 patients per week that they take on medicare. but this prisoner being denied therapy is a bigger issue than that?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852795]I literally tried to kill myself and still couldn't get treatment beyond a 3 day stay in a room by myself. I don't feel sorry for her because she committed a crime that put people at risk, and people who didn't do that take precedent over her for treatment, which we currently cannot get. I get it, you really feel for transgender people's issues and if this were anyone else who wasn't in prison, I would agree that they should get treatment. I'm for the same type of system you are, I just think that it would be a travesty of justice for criminals to be allowed treatment that non-criminals can't get because they are poor.[/QUOTE] "hey you can't have life-saving thing provided until I can get life-saving thing provided in my completely different system." Up next, prisoners shouldn't have food because poor people don't get it for free

[QUOTE=Coffee;44852825]Wait hold on when did Bradley become Chelsea?[/QUOTE] Quite a while back. Earliest I can recall of her going public with it off the top of my head was a little while before the conviction.

[QUOTE=Paige;44852832]bradley was breanna before she even thought about leaking shit, she changed her name to Chelsea later. [/QUOTE] I've not really been following the whole Wikileaks Manning thing, since the last time I checked, Manning was put into prison or something and I think the general opinion was that he'd spend the rest of his life in Gitmo? When did the the Transgender thing happen?

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852761]do you know anything about gender dysphoria? she could literally kill herself if she doesn't get professional support[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sam6420;44852793]I [b]literally[/b] could kill myself.[/QUOTE] Could, Could, Could. Could does not mean will. I could go out and shove a corncob up my ass but I won't. I could go out and shoot myself (I should, but I won't.) I COULD go out and eat a Super Nintendo. You [I]could[/I] do things but it doesn't mean you will. As one poster said, It's near impossible to kill yourself in a Maxsec military prison.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;44852830]Didn't mean to be a cunt, these threads on FP usually end in a shitflinging fest so I thought you where being dumb.[/QUOTE] Given the rest of the responses here, I'm not surprised. 'Scool man, happens to all of us. Lord knows I've lashed out for no reason way too often. :v:

[QUOTE=niel12_5D;44852593]Don't forget that Chelsea Manning revealed the extent that the US military covered up human rights atrocities and the least they can do is not treat her like shit.[/QUOTE] Chelsea leaked every single file she could find to the wide world.

[QUOTE=sam6420;44852852]Personal problem, imo.[/QUOTE] depression and gender dysphoria are the furthest thing from a personal problem possible when you're under government care. [QUOTE=frozensoda;44852854]I was denied treatment, but that's not an issue for you because... I'm not in prison? or because I'm not transgender? Why is it ok that I be allowed to leave a mental healthcare facility with no treatment beyond isolation but if this criminal goes without therapy then it's the biggest deal ever?[/QUOTE] i never said that your issues weren't actually isuses. I'm sorry that you were denied help but just because you were doesn't mean ANY prisoner deserves to be ignored aswell.

[QUOTE=Paige;44852832] [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] the fact she is under government care means her depression is the governments issue, though.[/QUOTE] You do have a point there.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852795]I literally tried to kill myself and still couldn't get treatment beyond a 3 day stay in a room by myself. I don't feel sorry for her because she committed a crime that put people at risk, and people who didn't do that take precedent over her for treatment, which we currently cannot get. I get it, you really feel for transgender people's issues and if this were anyone else who wasn't in prison, I would agree that they should get treatment. I'm for the same type of system you are, I just think that it would be a travesty of justice for criminals to be allowed treatment that non-criminals can't get because they are poor.[/QUOTE] since the government put them there in the first place, and a prisoner does not have access to a basic income, it is necessary to treat people when they get sick plenty of people can't get access to life saving healthcare does that mean that your solution to let people die in prison because that's basically the only other option, which is a far worse "travesty of justice" than just treating them like human beings

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44852857]"hey you can't have life-saving thing provided until I can get life-saving thing provided in my completely different system." Up next, prisoners shouldn't have food because poor people don't get it for free[/QUOTE] No, that's not up next, but I don't think they should be taking trips to mcdonald's on taxpayer money while poor people starve to death. It's different, sure, but why should she get therapy when all I got was suicide watch?

[QUOTE=Coffee;44852864]I've not really been following the whole Wikileaks Manning thing, since the last time I checked, Manning was put into prison or something and I think the general opinion was that he'd spend the rest of his life in Gitmo? When did the the Transgender thing happen?[/QUOTE] she was having questions about her gender WAY before she even joined the army iirc.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852896]No, that's not up next, but I don't think they should be taking trips to mcdonald's on taxpayer money while poor people starve to death[/QUOTE] Terrible analogy.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852795]I literally tried to kill myself and still couldn't get treatment beyond a 3 day stay in a room by myself. I don't feel sorry for her because she committed a crime that put people at risk, and people who didn't do that take precedent over her for treatment, which we currently cannot get. I get it, you really feel for transgender people's issues and if this were anyone else who wasn't in prison, I would agree that they should get treatment. I'm for the same type of system you are, I just think that it would be a travesty of justice for criminals to be allowed treatment that non-criminals can't get because they are poor.[/QUOTE] Who are you to weigh the value of someones life over another? Prison should not be there to completely destroy someones life regardless of what they did.

[QUOTE=joes33431;44852893]since the government put them there in the first place, and a prisoner does not have access to a basic income, it is necessary to treat people when they get sick plenty of people can't get access to life saving healthcare does that mean that your solution to let people die in prison because that's basically the only other option, which is a far worse "travesty of justice" than just treating them like human beings[/QUOTE] This isn't emergency heart surgery, it's therapy. Suicide watch is all that's needed to keep her from dying.

[QUOTE=sam6420;44852905]They put themselves there by breaking the law.[/QUOTE] the government chooses to keep a laaarge portion of them there by failing to rehabilitate them and handing out massively long sentences for stupid crimes. not to mention the corrupt influence of the private prison system in the legislature.

[QUOTE=sam6420;44852905]They put themselves there by breaking the law. Government doesn't walk around like "Oh im bored put this pub in jail lulz"[/QUOTE] Well... honestly... Sometimes shit happens.

So you want to give it a sex change so it doesn't kill itself? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting, again" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852917]This isn't emergency heart surgery, it's therapy. Suicide watch is all that's needed to keep her from dying.[/QUOTE] she's a human being with emotional needs and medical needs in this case that need to be fufilled. yes you could theoretically just put someone on suicide watch to keep them from dying but that doesn't solve anything and would probably just make it worse why do you want prisoners to be treated like dirt. they're still human beings.

[QUOTE=Mad.Hatter;44852924]So you want to give it a sex change so it doesn't kill itself?[/QUOTE] what are you even doing, and why are you even referring to her as "it". do you know how socially inept and insulting this is?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852896]No, that's not up next, but I don't think they should be taking trips to mcdonald's on taxpayer money while poor people starve to death. It's different, sure, but why should she get therapy when all I got was suicide watch?[/QUOTE] Because both of you should get therapy and the fact that you aren't isn't her fault what is so difficult to understand about that. Don't you usually advocate conservative causes on here? Because they're the obstacle of both of you getting care. Sorry that one front is making faster progress than another. Maybe you shouldn't be falling victim for the divide and conquer tactic.