Hillary Clinton is the presumptive Democratic nominee - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sb27;50469466]Yeah, blame the DNC. Blame the DNC for millions of more Americans voting for Clinton rather than Sanders.[/QUOTE] I hope you realized that the media was blaring from the start that Hillary had a 500 delegate lead, that the DNC is run by a Hillary Clinton campaigner, and let's not forget all of the voter suppression including closed primaries up the wazoo. [QUOTE=benwaddi;50471070]Is this the media which regularly reports on Hillary and the accusations against her including the recent email scandal? And surely you don't mean she actually has all the media (billions of $s worth of it) in her pocket when ratings from lets say making a race seem tighter than it is, would bring in far more money than Hillary has. If you seriously believe Hillary controls the media then let me tell you about a piece of land I have for sale, it's in Brooklyn...[/QUOTE] Uh, they report on her scandals, but they always down play them. Hillary Clinton could be indicted tomorrow and the headlines would be "Hillary Clinton Indicted, changes nothing." [QUOTE=BusterBluth;50472413]Just look at Trump. No one has gotten near the amount of "he can't win" or negative press that he did, yet he steamrolled ahead. Sanders floundered everywear it mattered and did well where it didn't[/QUOTE] That's because Trump wasn't put behind 500 delegates to start with, Trump wasn't running against anyone with the amount of political clout as Hillary Clinton.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;50472413]Just look at Trump. No one has gotten near the amount of "he can't win" or negative press that he did, yet he steamrolled ahead. Sanders floundered everywear it mattered and did well where it didn't[/QUOTE] Okay if it's all the same to you, those are different things entirely but if you want to lump them together, I have a feeling no amount of rational discourse will show you why those are different. From the outset of this election, Bernie Sanders was the underdog candidate, and from the outset of the election, Bernie was told he would lose by the media. Not by Hilary, by the media. The media never gave him any press, never pushed him further, never gave him any positive spin. Trump from the outset of the election was able to manipulate the media, brand other candidates, and take over the role of the media in the election in many ways by making sure he was always in the news for some ridiculous thing or another thing. He used negative media coverage to maintain media dominance. Bernie didn't have the opportunity, nor the market that would BUY that sales pitch.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50472422]I hope you realized that the media was blaring from the start that Hillary had a 500 delegate lead, that the DNC is run by a Hillary Clinton campaigner, and let's not forget all of the voter suppression including closed primaries up the wazoo. Uh, they report on her scandals, but they always down play them. Hillary Clinton could be indicted tomorrow and the headlines would be "Hillary Clinton Indicted, changes nothing." That's because Trump wasn't put behind 500 delegates to start with, Trump wasn't running against anyone with the amount of political clout as Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] Anyone who payed the least bit attention to the election knew what super delegates where. You act like huge amount of potential Sanders supporters saw tone news clip and said welp that's it. Its sill.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50472416]Impact of the media is not as [URL="http://themonkeycage.org/2012/09/mitt-romney-and-that-47/"]big[/URL] as you think. Sanders often raised more money than Clinton and certainly had good name recognition. The candidate with [URL="http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders"]the most negative coverage[/URL] was Hillary Clinton. You do have a legitimate point about the fact that from the start she was portrayed as the likely winning candidate (and the Vox article mentions this), but you shouldn't overstate this and its impact - front runners have lost in the past many times.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure to the average voter, seeing, at the start of the eleciton season 'Clinton ahead by 500' that's going to change the whole election a good deal. She had negative coverage but she never had anything like Bernie did.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50472422]That's because Trump wasn't put behind 500 delegates to start with, Trump wasn't running against anyone with the amount of political clout as Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] That and the media couldn't stop talking about Trump(Which got him exposure), and barely talked about Bernie at all.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;50472369]What is this suppose to imply I don't understand[/QUOTE] nothing, people are just being stupid and sore losers

[QUOTE=Cliff2;50472460]That and the media couldn't stop talking about Trump(Which got him exposure), and barely talked about Bernie at all.[/QUOTE] That's because Sanders is the most boring candidate from a news standpoint. He doesn't have any major controversies and he doesn't say anything inflammatory. News makes it money from headlines, he just never gave any. It's not the DNC screwing him over it's the lack of anything to promote buzz.

[QUOTE=Cliff2;50472460]That and the media couldn't stop talking about Trump(Which got him exposure), and barely talked about Bernie at all.[/QUOTE] The media has been in bed with Clinton from the beginning, this attack piece by the Associated Press is being parroted by other outlets to try and diminish people that want to vote for sanders.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50472492]The media has been in bed with Clinton from the beginning, this attack piece by the Associated Press is being parroted by other outlets to try and diminish people that want to vote for sanders.[/QUOTE] "Attack Piece" :what: Does poor little Bernie Google need protecting from facts and figures now? He has lead you guys on a intelligence lowering, wallet lightening crusade of foolishness and now you accuse the AP of being shills. That's North Korea level delusion. Are we going to start getting snailbanked with postmarks from Bernietown, Venezuela?

AP statement: [url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-does-the-ap-count-delegates-to-arrive-at-clintons-win/[/url] [quote]AP Senior Vice President and Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll said in a statement Tuesday: “AP concluded that Hillary Clinton had enough delegates to clinch the nomination after a painstaking but very straightforward exercise. “We counted. “By Monday evening, 571 superdelegates had told us unequivocally that they intend to vote for Clinton at the convention. Adding that number to the delegates awarded to Clinton in primary and caucus voting to date gave her the number needed to be the presumptive nominee. “That is news, and reporting the news is what we do. “Nothing in that discourages or prevents voters in six states from exercising their right to go to the polls today and cast their ballots.”[/quote]

[QUOTE=smurfy;50472725]AP statement: [url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-does-the-ap-count-delegates-to-arrive-at-clintons-win/[/url][/QUOTE] To be fair even Bernie's campaign manager has no idea how superdelegate polls work. [video=youtube;inZQXhYOq2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inZQXhYOq2Q[/video] The kick in the gut? [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/08-sanders-endorsed-obama-clinton-formally-exited-race-n586556"]Bernie counted supers when he endorsed Obama in 2008[/URL].

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;50472413]Just look at Trump. No one has gotten near the amount of "he can't win" or negative press that he did, yet he steamrolled ahead. Sanders floundered everywear it mattered and did well where it didn't[/QUOTE] It's surprising how effective desperate opposition is in actually helping

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;50470645]Missing "No voter suppression" [/QUOTE] oh yeah man the demographics that vote for sanders are definitely the ones that get suppressed clinton definitely didnt get a 24/7 smear campaign on fox news starting the day obama got in office because everyone knew 2016 was happening sanders definitely did NOT lose because his policies are fucking garbage and he is a total extremist no one wants in office

[QUOTE=benwaddi;50472685]"Attack Piece" :what: Does poor little Bernie Google need protecting from facts and figures now? He has lead you guys on a intelligence lowering, wallet lightening crusade of foolishness and now you accuse the AP of being shills. That's North Korea level delusion. Are we going to start getting snailbanked with postmarks from Bernietown, Venezuela?[/QUOTE] They purposely ignored the DNC's request that they not count super delegates. So yes, there's clearly a bias towards Hillary if they go do it anyway.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50472911]They purposely ignored the DNC's request that they not count super delegates. So yes, there's clearly a bias towards Hillary if they go do it anyway.[/QUOTE] Hang on a minute, your complaint is that the media is [B]not[/B] following orders from the DNC and Hillary? I thought they were all in her pocket a minute ago.

[QUOTE=benwaddi;50472988]Hang on a minute, your complaint is that the media is [B]not[/B] following orders from the DNC and Hillary? I thought they were all in her pocket a minute ago.[/QUOTE] DNC's trying to save itself from looking like a corrupt institution, so they said that to save face. Of course, the media got the dog whistle and did this.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50472887]oh yeah man the demographics that vote for sanders are definitely the ones that get suppressed[/QUOTE] Oh yeah man, all those voters that got purged in Brooklyn the week before the NY primary were going to go for Clinton. And all those registered Democrats that got purged in Arizona? Totally Clinton's people, right? [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50472887]sanders definitely did NOT lose because his policies are fucking garbage and he is a total extremist no one wants in office[/QUOTE] And what evidence do you have to support your claim that Sanders is a total extremist? Single-payer healthcare? Yeah, good thing the rest of the industrialized world hasn't fallen for such extreme policies, or then we'd really be in trouble. Or that no one wants him in office? Yes, that's evident from the fact that he's raked in more individual donations than any other candidate in history. Fucking really

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50472887]oh yeah man the demographics that vote for sanders are definitely the ones that get suppressed clinton definitely didnt get a 24/7 smear campaign on fox news starting the day obama got in office because everyone knew 2016 was happening sanders definitely did NOT lose because his policies are fucking garbage and he is a total extremist no one wants in office[/QUOTE] Yes? Congratulations on demonstrating why this "great" country can never progress past it's own criminal political practices. Every shady thing that happened during Bernie v. Hillary works AGAINST you too so don't just brush that shit aside!

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;50472887]Fuck yeah corruption![/QUOTE] Maybe Us should transition to a dictatorship, I doubt anything would change anyway.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50473150]Maybe Us should transition to a dictatorship, I doubt anything would change anyway.[/QUOTE] :what:

[QUOTE=Reshy;50473064]DNC's trying to save itself from looking like a corrupt institution, so they said that to save face. Of course, the media got the dog whistle and did this.[/QUOTE] When your conspiracy theory starts getting that convoluted with no evidence it starts losing credibility. This is the damage I worried that Bernie would do, making young, politically naive people go down embarrassing routes of thought to justify all the claims of shenanigans. I hope most of you can come down from it and realise the best strategy to get your way isn't to act like Bernie but to "play the game" and make connections, support like minded candidates and not abandon politics after the GE. Even as a conservative leaning person I would rather everyone's voice be heard and the indoctrination of idiocy by the Sanders campaign is just castrating you guys politically.

Gonna be really interesting to see what Sanders does tonight

[QUOTE=benwaddi;50473307]the best strategy to get your way isn't to act like Bernie but to "play the game" and make connections, support like minded candidates and not abandon politics after the GE.[/QUOTE] I think it's worth taking a moment here to differentiate the candidate from his supporters. I absolutely agree that too many of Sanders' supporters are acting immature, but the candidate himself isn't necessarily to blame. Take violence at rallies, for example. More importantly, Sanders has maintained throughout the race that his preference is to see young people go out and get involved in small, grassroots movements across the country and up and down the ticket, advice I think is worth taking. He's never encouraged his supporters to abandon politics, quite the opposite in fact.

Here's hoping Sanders drops out tonight. I'm apparently alone on this forum in thinking that Hillary is genuinely the better candidate, would've voted for her if I was American.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;50468579]So how many of you Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump?[/QUOTE] As someone who has tried his best to get Bernie to win in my state via discussions, speeches against Trump, and voting myself, I tried and Clinton still won. Think of the dominating senior population in Maryland that would be [I]fucked[/I] over by Sanders. All I can say to Bernie supporters now is don't throw away your votes. Especially to Trump. It's childish to think that since Bernie's not going to win doesn't mean you should vote for a huge child in the primaries. Trump stating that he should go against Bernie is what he wants; saying that doesn't automatically mean he respects him, he just wants him to beat Hillary so he can mop Bernie where it counts. the best options should Bernie not make it in the final voting process, the best this country can do sadly, is Hillary. For what he has said about people with Autism and how shots should be optional, opening our kids up to more diseases and allergies, I'd rather be beat up in a ally or be waterboarded in piss than vote for Trump. [media]https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/739598273355337728[/media]

[QUOTE=Sergeant Turtle;50473453]Here's hoping Sanders drops out tonight. I'm apparently alone on this forum in thinking that Hillary is genuinely the better candidate, would've voted for her if I was American.[/QUOTE] Lol perfect example of why clinton supporters need to get their heads out their asses. He said he's taking it to the convention, and he'll have a chance to win no matter what the results are tonight [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shit Post" - rilez))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Sergeant Turtle;50473453]Here's hoping Sanders drops out tonight. I'm apparently alone on this forum in thinking that Hillary is genuinely the better candidate, would've voted for her if I was American.[/QUOTE] Interesting...may I ask why? I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=mcharest;50473399]I think it's worth taking a moment here to differentiate the candidate from his supporters. I absolutely agree that too many of Sanders' supporters are acting immature, but the candidate himself isn't necessarily to blame. Take violence at rallies, for example. More importantly, Sanders has maintained throughout the race that his preference is to see young people go out and get involved in small, grassroots movements across the country and up and down the ticket, advice I think is worth taking. He's never encouraged his supporters to abandon politics, quite the opposite in fact.[/QUOTE] Bernie has been very poor at getting people in politics behind him even after 30 years. Obviously there are politicians with similar ideals but he ends up pissing them off because he accuses everyone of being corrupt, Barney Frank pointed it out in 1991. That is the type of behaviour I don't want spreading because it hurts more than it helps. You are correct he has told supporters to stay involved in politics but the campaign's tactics are going the mean his endorsement of Hillary is gonna hit supporters like a truck and piss them off. The trust and devotion cultivated by the campaign is going to be completely destroyed they will have barely anyone to turn to when everyone is tarnished as "establishment". I don't believe he set out to have that effect but the blame would still rest mostly on his shoulders due to how he has championed idealogical purity.

[QUOTE=mcharest;50473101]Oh yeah man, all those voters that got purged in Brooklyn the week before the NY primary were going to go for Clinton. And all those registered Democrats that got purged in Arizona? Totally Clinton's people, right? And what evidence do you have to support your claim that Sanders is a total extremist? Single-payer healthcare? Yeah, good thing the rest of the industrialized world hasn't fallen for such extreme policies, or then we'd really be in trouble. Or that no one wants him in office? Yes, that's evident from the fact that he's raked in more individual donations than any other candidate in history. Fucking really[/QUOTE] It's always bewildering to me that people can look at policies like free education, health care, and so on, and look at the countries that have these policies that are thriving, and think, "they're doing something wrong there."

[QUOTE=hippowombat;50473256]:what:[/QUOTE] Our choices are being more or less dictated to us by the party insiders, so no matter who is elected president the house still wins.