Gabe Newell: Windows 8 a 'catastrophe,' wristband input could be the future of gaming - Polidicks

He is a really smart and reasonable guy. Also, I like that he said touchscreens are a short term solution because tbh I hate them

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36931629]from a dev perspective, windows 8 is a catastrophe because as he stated it will lock out a lot of developers and OEMs and instead create a locked system coding and app development environment in which microsoft freely dictates what floats and sinks exactly like apples appstore which is a killing blow to many indie devs who like to tinker with whats already out there and invent things by thinking out side a predetermined box which is the basic premise on what valve has been established on and is hiring people under so yeah, he didnt say catastrophe so some fat inane nerds on a meaningless internet forum will feel offended, as if he'd ever gave a damn, but for devs and the premise of free code tinkering, windows 8 will be a catastrophe, should it catch on [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] also metro looks like it was designed in paint[/QUOTE] Problem is this flies far over heads of the "START BUTTON YES NO WAR GO GO" crowd.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;36931442]From his perspective it is, because of the Windows Store - all Metro programs have to be purchased from there, and I doubt Valve would like that. Also there's Xbox Live integration.[/QUOTE] Windows store,xbox live.... Kay I think ill upgrade to 7 and stay there.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36931629]from a dev perspective, windows 8 is a catastrophe because as he stated it will lock out a lot of developers and OEMs and instead create a locked system coding and app development environment in which microsoft freely dictates what floats and sinks exactly like apples appstore which is a killing blow to many indie devs who like to tinker with whats already out there and invent things by thinking out side a predetermined box which is the basic premise on what valve has been established on and is hiring people under so yeah, he didnt say catastrophe so some fat inane nerds on a meaningless internet forum will feel offended, as if he'd ever gave a damn, but for devs and the premise of free code tinkering, windows 8 will be a catastrophe, should it catch on [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] also metro looks like it was designed in paint[/QUOTE] Windows 8 is locking nobody out, what gave you this idea

And now half of Facepunch, which previously said Windows 8 was amazing, will call it a catastrophe.

And now you express that you have no idea what is meant by catastrophe

This reminds me of how he bashed Sony for the PS3, only to become best friends with them later.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931304]irrationally despise it, that makes it a catastrophe.[/QUOTE] Forcing people to use a touch screen designed interface on a PC is irrational. Just wait for a year once MS come out and say W8 was a mistake like they did with Vista.

Windows 8 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Microsoft lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over." Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.

I thought windows 8 was going to be pretty cool, but now I can't shake the feeling that it's utter shit

[QUOTE=En Ex;36932031]Windows 8 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Microsoft lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over." Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.[/QUOTE] i c what u did there

Dangit Gaben your words are taken as fact by millions of fanboys. I like Win8. :( Oh well Win 8 will still sell well even if it's forced.

The problem with operating systems to me is that I don't really give a shit. I didn't choose windows, it chose me with the programs that run on it. Maybe linux being open source is the right choice, but the sooner every new program runs on every platform it can possibly work on, the sooner these ridiculous os arguments become irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;36931991]Forcing people to use a touch screen designed interface on a PC is irrational. Just wait for a year once MS come out and say W8 was a mistake like they did with Vista.[/QUOTE] Not sure what makes people say this. Get past the login screen and you'll never have to click anything on the Metro screen ever. The whole Windows is still there behind it exactly the way it was before. Nothing has been removed.

[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36932110]Dangit Gaben your words are taken as fact by millions of fanboys. I like Win8. :( Oh well Win 8 will still sell well even if it's forced.[/QUOTE] Well Gabe would know all about forcing things on people

it's pretty funny how confused everybody is they love gabe, but they disagree. Everything is wrong.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36932216]Not sure what makes people say this. Get past the login screen and you'll never have to click anything on the Metro screen ever. The whole Windows is still there behind it exactly the way it was before. Nothing has been removed.[/QUOTE] yet neither does it offer anything rewarding. I got the windows 8 final preview and it feels like a schizophrenic frankenstein os that is basically win7 but it's got a tablet interface unestheatically tacked to its side which I have almost no use for but it reeks of steve balmers sweaty armpits and the desperation windows engineers are coding under in an attempt to make up for what they totally missed out on when apple overtook the market with ios and mobile devices. for a lot of reasons I wish for windows 8 to tank hard because its poison to the pc market. I'll weep for some of the amazing things theyve built into it like the instant reset and fast reboot but it's not even been one development cycle and you can already feel bill missing and MS turning into a completely profit oriented, hawkish corporation that cares little about customer and business-partner demand in an ever shrinking market

[QUOTE=Kendra;36931243]Tongue motion, for the most lazy of them all.[/QUOTE] Now I just need a woman as a controller.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36932369]yet neither does it offer anything rewarding. I got the windows 8 final preview and it feels like a schizophrenic frankenstein os that is basically win7 but it's got a tablet interface unestheatically tacked to its side which I have almost no use for but it reeks of steve balmers sweaty armpits and the desperation windows engineers are coding under in an attempt to make up for what they totally missed out on when apple overtook the market with ios and mobile devices. for a lot of reasons I wish for windows 8 to tank hard because its poison to the pc market. I'll weep for some of the amazing things theyve built into it like the instant reset and fast reboot but it's not even been one development cycle and you can already feel bill missing and MS turning into a completely profit oriented, hawkish corporation that cares little about customer and business-partner demand in an ever shrinking market[/QUOTE] It's fast as shit, bam. It's performance on an SSD is a rewarding aspect worthy of a new OS version on it's own. Suppose I, too, had higher expectations on innovation and features but it still brings more innovation than the Mac OS releases. I know the [i]concept[/i] of blatantly following Apple innovations stinks but adding mobility support in order to expand the market doesn't make the OS itself any worse EDIT: Whatever the motives and ideology behind the recent Windows development, it still doesn't make the OS itself less functional, and that's all I personally care about.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;36932315]no sideloading metro apps.[/QUOTE] Nobody's forcing you to use Metro for your apps - isn't this a good thing? People have complained forever about windows not having a secure channel to get your apps from that are guaranteed not to fuck up your computer. People can still make programs 100% free and open on the desktop, which is probably what most people who want to do that will be using anyways. Plus, it's apparently [b]free[/b] to get your windows developer license, and you have to be wrong to some extent because if the only way to get a metro app was through the store, developers would only be able to test their apps by downloading it from the store :v:

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36932446]It's fast as shit, bam. It's performance on an SSD is worthy of a new OS version on it's own. Suppose I, too, had higher expectations on innovation and features but it still brings more innovation than the Mac OS releases. I know the [i]concept[/i] of blatantly following Apple innovations stinks but adding mobility support in order to expand the market doesn't make the OS itself any worse.[/QUOTE] Id have no beef with mobility support if it was just that, a support. from the preview, windows 8 feels like a mobile base with a desktop support which is not the experience Id like to have on my laptop or computer. See, windows metro is a great concept for tablets but a very irritating one for desktop and laptop computers meanwhile the desktop interface is great for desktops and laptops but mostly unneeded for tablets. Microsoft are trying to tie two birds to one stone so they don't have to either throw it nor hit anything with it but they hope people will get used to it so that they can be easily stringed into the Microsoft experience on computers, tablets and phones so in the end youll be left with two closed systems, apple and microsoft with little communication between the two so the end consumer can be more profitable to each because theyre locked in and with even less innovation from outside because it's expensive to get into the MS hub and there's absolutely no guarantee or safeguard of your app prevailing within it because microsoft can and possibly will shut your app off like apple has done with apps in their market and theyve already locked out people from all MS services for uploading illicit things to skydrive and that doesn't sound like an open fair environment to me nor does it give me any indication that this behaviour would change.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36931395]Wristband input, sure. What has Gabe been smoking?[/QUOTE] I know I'm wrong here but it looks like one of those things you start saying when you start going crazy. "In the future Microsoft will head to total catastrophe and we'll use wristpads to use our computers!

[QUOTE=Elspin;36932594]Nobody's forcing you to use Metro for your apps - isn't this a good thing? People have complained forever about windows not having a secure channel to get your apps from that are guaranteed not to fuck up your computer. People can still make programs 100% free and open on the desktop, which is probably what most people who want to do that will be using anyways. Plus, it's apparently [b]free[/b] to get your windows developer license, and you have to be wrong to some extent because if the only way to get a metro app was through the store, developers would only be able to test their apps by downloading it from the store :v:[/QUOTE] afaik its only free for the preview version of windows 8, what happens post release remains to be seen

[QUOTE=Hell-met;36932359]they love gabe, but they disagree. Everything is wrong.[/QUOTE] Some people just need to realize that Gabe is human and has opinions that aren't always [del]right[/del] [del]good[/del] popular.

[QUOTE=En Ex;36932031]Windows 8 is a total disaster on so many levels[/QUOTE] tell me why without mentioning metro or the start button

[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;36932710]I know I'm wrong here but it looks like one of those things you start saying when you start going crazy. "In the future Microsoft will head to total catastrophe and we'll use wristpads to use our computers![/QUOTE] read what he said, he didn't say win8 will be a catastrophe for microsoft, but a catastrophe for small means developers, partners and the whole business around the windows OS

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36932369]yet neither does it offer anything rewarding. I got the windows 8 final preview and it feels like a schizophrenic frankenstein os that is basically win7 but it's got a tablet interface unestheatically tacked to its side which I have almost no use for but it reeks of steve balmers sweaty armpits and the desperation windows engineers are coding under in an attempt to make up for what they totally missed out on when apple overtook the market with ios and mobile devices. for a lot of reasons I wish for windows 8 to tank hard because its poison to the pc market. I'll weep for some of the amazing things theyve built into it like the instant reset and fast reboot but it's not even been one development cycle and you can already feel bill missing and MS turning into a completely profit oriented, hawkish corporation that cares little about customer and business-partner demand in an ever shrinking market[/QUOTE] holy run on sentences batman

punctuation is for quitters

I think people hate the idea of Windows tackling two markets at once because it's very similar to how Apple does things. I really have no problem with Windows 8, it's snappy, it runs everything I use, games work great, and I constantly use my Bamboo tablet in photoshop and lightroom, so it just works well for me.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36932216]Not sure what makes people say this. Get past the login screen and you'll never have to click anything on the Metro screen ever. The whole Windows is still there behind it exactly the way it was before. Nothing has been removed.[/QUOTE] Because people don't bother researching before bashing mindlessly on something. Especially now that Gabe said this.