Gabe Newell: Windows 8 a 'catastrophe,' wristband input could be the future of gaming - Polidicks

Well if the problem is Windows becoming even more closed then I guess it's a good thing Valve decided to start integrating Linux then.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36932369]yet neither does it offer anything rewarding. I got the windows 8 final preview and it feels like a schizophrenic frankenstein os that is basically win7 but it's got a tablet interface unestheatically tacked to its side which I have almost no use for but it reeks of steve balmers sweaty armpits and the desperation windows engineers are coding under in an attempt to make up for what they totally missed out on when apple overtook the market with ios and mobile devices. for a lot of reasons I wish for windows 8 to tank hard because its poison to the pc market. I'll weep for some of the amazing things theyve built into it like the instant reset and fast reboot but it's not even been one development cycle and you can already feel bill missing and MS turning into a completely profit oriented, hawkish corporation that cares little about customer and business-partner demand in an ever shrinking market[/QUOTE] Windows 8 is serious business to this guy Damn Metro must have hit you hard

[QUOTE=Ezhik;36932733]tell me why without mentioning metro or the start button[/QUOTE] UI is 75% of the changes if people don't like the UI they aint gonna want to use it.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;36932808]I think people hate the idea of Windows tackling two markets at once because it's very similar to how Apple does things. I really have no problem with Windows 8, it's snappy, it runs everything I use, games work great, and I constantly use my Bamboo tablet in photoshop and lightroom, so it just works well for me.[/QUOTE] I've had problems getting it to run older games. Human Revolution runs just fine, but Unreal Tournament 1999 runs like shit. I'll probably get Windows 8 a couple of months after it's released ,because I personally think that it's a pleasure to use but I want to wait a while for support to catch up.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36932909]Windows 8 is serious business to this guy Damn Metro must have hit you hard[/QUOTE] It's fine really, i just dont really like the visuals and I found some input options a bit confusing like the 2 different system settings tab locations and the uncertain yet dark looking era it seems to usher in but now that I reread that in an angry nerd voice it comes off quite funny so I suggest you read id with a big lebowski morning coffee and cig voice in your head

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36932957]It's fine really, i just dont really like the visuals and I found some input options a bit confusing like the 2 different system settings tab locations but now that I reread that in an angry nerd voice it comes off quite funny so I suggest you read id with a big lebowski morning coffee and cig voice in your head[/QUOTE] I read it out of breath, and I read it in my head.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;36932925]UI is 75% of the changes if people don't like the UI they aint gonna want to use it.[/QUOTE] people whined about every ui change windows had. windows 95, [URL="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2001/10/47905"]windows xp[/URL], vista, even 7. and windows still sells great. so yeah, i'll repeat my question. what makes windows 8 "a total disaster on so many levels" that is not ui changes?

[QUOTE=Ezhik;36933144]people whined about every ui change windows had. windows 95, xp, vista, even 7. and windows still sells great. so yeah, i'll repeat my question. what makes windows 8 "a total disaster on so many levels" that is not ui changes?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36932756&viewfull=1#post36932756[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36932664&viewfull=1#post36932664[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36931629&viewfull=1#post36931629[/url] oh damn i mentioned metro

I'm assuming he means in terms of developing games/software for it, lets be honest Gabe wouldn't intentionally go out on one and call something a catastrophe unless he had a very good reason.

[QUOTE=Populus89;36931337]I hate the way Windows 8 is going pointlessly in the tablet direction, but I wouldn't call it a catastrophe. What are you doing Gabe.[/QUOTE] His company has more hands on experience with win 8 then the public who's downloaded the RC. The simple fact is he knows more things about windows 8 then you do. [QUOTE=Foda;36931433]Over 10 Million people downloaded and installed Windows 8. 10 Million people created a new partition and installed a beta OS, which is crazy when you think about it.[/QUOTE] the Beta is not the final version. And have you tried on RT to develop software that uses usb 3.0 drivers? [QUOTE=rosthouse;36931357]He changed his opinion before (PS3, anyone?).[/QUOTE] True and good point, valve has overcome hurtles over the years with the source engine, opengl, linux, mac, and ps3/360 architecture so over time they will overcome windows 8 (not the RC the real thing). However, not everyone is valve and he's talking for the sake of all pc games not just on steam. And I mean for PC games. [QUOTE=Foda;36931462]All those people who buy a Surface will.[/QUOTE] on surface, my opinion is it will be the most stable to use windows 8 because they've had access to the entire device's hardware for some time so they know the tricks to make that work. I bet this will be greatly so with the surface tablet using ARM to run win RT. [QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931527]Yes, it is. Windows 8 will be a catastrophe in the same sense that Psychonauts was a catastrophe. A good operating system and a good video game, but both of them result in immediate problems from the company that created them. Psychonauts because nobody bought it. Windows 8 because everyone is going to stubbornly hate it.[/QUOTE] Dikatana, too human, duke nukem. And market wize pyshconaughts has had decent sales years after. [QUOTE=Lyonidis;36931554]I would wait until we cross the bridge to call it a catastrophe, but looking at windows 8, I am personally sticking with windows 7.[/QUOTE] I've been told by several experts to either wait until the sp1 or 2 come out to get windows 8 or to just wait out and get windows 9. There's the thing, Gabe is powerful enough to take on microsoft which at one point he was apart of microsoft so he should have some degree to what's going on internally there, however he doesn't have a gag order. You know who do have gag orders, microsoft employees even the ones who quit. Think about it.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;36933212][url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36932756&viewfull=1#post36932756[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36932664&viewfull=1#post36932664[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200523&p=36931629&viewfull=1#post36931629[/url] oh damn i mentioned metro[/QUOTE] all that locking out stuff only applies to arm tablets, which is a new market for microsoft and then you are just whining about ui changes agian

[QUOTE=Ithon;36933322]Dikatana, too human, duke nukem. And market wize pyshconaughts has had decent sales years after.[/QUOTE] There won't be Windows 8 sales years after. In another 2 years we'll have Windows 9.

I find nothing wrong with Windows 8 in my experience with the release candidate.

Isn't it a fairly well known conjecture that every other iteration of Windows is terrible? Win7- Good. Vista- Terrible. XP- Good. ME- Apparently the worst ever. 2000- Decent. 98- Terrible. 95- Decent. And so on.

[QUOTE=Askaris;36933815]Isn't it a fairly well known conjecture that every other iteration of Windows is terrible? Win7- Good. Vista- Terrible. XP- Good. ME- Apparently the worst ever. 2000- Decent. 98- Terrible. 95- Decent. And so on.[/QUOTE] We've already discussed this, that was based on an image that was totally full of shit. Plus, vista was great - it had some initial issues but pretty much every version did and it was fine after that.

[QUOTE=Elspin;36933849]vista was great[/QUOTE] haha no

[QUOTE=lavacano;36933910]haha no[/QUOTE] What was the problem with Vista? Ran fine for me.

[QUOTE=ihatecompvir;36931318]Don't see how Windows 8 is a catastrophe. In the times I've used it, I absolutely love it.[/QUOTE] Ill stick with windows 7. I dont want a bump off of it. Im still a XP fan cus it was simple an easy, i know its not fast but still. Old school. Dont you see the pattern? Windows XP = Great, Windows Vista = Piece of shit, Windows 7 = Great, Windows 8 = Vista's downs brother.

this pattern you speak of is bullshit

Gabe says something w-w-wrong?? No... it's... n-not possible.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;36933958]What was the problem with Vista? Ran fine for me.[/QUOTE] - Runs like absolute shit on all but a few systems, with seemingly no rhyme or reason, even after installing all updates. - Compatibility issues up the ass, even with programs that were released around that OS's time (how the fuck does that work?). I've had programs absolutely shit themselves trying to run on Vista, when in both XP and Win7 they run perfectly fine. - Windows Sidebar. It's not just the fact that it starts out being enabled and fully decked out by default on every new Windows account, it's the fact that it further slows down the entire system. The Win7 build (the one that removes the actual "sidebar" part of it) runs OK, but for some reason they never bothered to stick those optimizations in the Vista build. Sloppy, Microsoft. Sloppy. - Needs double it's recommended requirements to run comfortably. Fortunately, I'm above this mark, but I can only imagine what hell it must cause when you try to run it at what it thinks should be "minimum" requirements. I will admit it's no Windows ME, and it did introduce a lot of things that are good (like a Windows Update that doesn't force you to use a web browser), but it's still bad.

He probably meant from a development standpoint...right...?

[QUOTE=G71tc4;36934136]He probably meant from a development standpoint...right...?[/QUOTE] which is false.... winrt lets you do some fucking incredible shit. of course you can still make regular desktop programs so i dont see what the problem is.

[QUOTE=Ithon;36933322] I've been told by several experts to either wait until the sp1 or 2 come out to get windows 8 or to just wait out and get windows 9. [/QUOTE] Man I can't wait that long they're gonna stop updating XP soon :((

[QUOTE=Askaris;36933815]Isn't it a fairly well known conjecture that every other iteration of Windows is terrible? Win7- Good. Vista- Terrible. XP- Good. ME- Apparently the worst ever. 2000- Decent. 98- Terrible. 95- Decent. And so on.[/QUOTE] Windows 98 wasn't a bad OS, I grew up with 98, it was a really great OS. And Vista was great, I loved vista apart from some bugs and stuff but they'll fixed in service packs

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36931395]Wristband input,[/QUOTE] So, a Pedometer with a watch band?

[QUOTE=lavacano;36934073]- Runs like absolute shit on all but a few systems, with seemingly no rhyme or reason, even after installing all updates. - Compatibility issues up the ass, even with programs that were released around that OS's time (how the fuck does that work?). I've had programs absolutely shit themselves trying to run on Vista, when in both XP and Win7 they run perfectly fine. - Windows Sidebar. It's not just the fact that it starts out being enabled and fully decked out by default on every new Windows account, it's the fact that it further slows down the entire system. The Win7 build (the one that removes the actual "sidebar" part of it) runs OK, but for some reason they never bothered to stick those optimizations in the Vista build. Sloppy, Microsoft. Sloppy. - Needs double it's recommended requirements to run comfortably. Fortunately, I'm above this mark, but I can only imagine what hell it must cause when you try to run it at what it thinks should be "minimum" requirements. I will admit it's no Windows ME, and it did introduce a lot of things that are good (like a Windows Update that doesn't force you to use a web browser), but it's still bad.[/QUOTE] -Depends on your specs - my dell that was designed with it ran it okay but sometimes it stuttered, these problems were fixed in later updates - Everything that ran on XP ran on vista, there wasn't much compatibility issues apart from old as fuck drivers -Windows sidebar was helpful and cool if you wanted to add a weather gadget or a clock, it was just something cool they chucked in, I didn't mind ti. -Not really.. These again were fixed. And Windows ME introduced nothing worth its while, maybe the introduction of Windows Movie maker and Windows Recovery but that's about it (FUNFACT: Recovery in ME would put spyware, viruses etc. back into OS if you cleared out your system)

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;36934967]And Windows ME introduced nothing worth its while, maybe the introduction of Windows Movie maker and Windows Recovery but that's about it (FUNFACT: Recovery in ME would put spyware, viruses etc. back into OS if you cleared out your system)[/QUOTE] I said Vista introduced shit, not ME. i probably worded it badly originally but still

[QUOTE=Xieneus;36931260]Gabe Newell has spoken.[/QUOTE] All hail glorious leader Gabe Newell.

[QUOTE=Kendra;36931243]Tongue motion, for the most lazy of them all.[/QUOTE] I dont know man, Ive done some things with my tongue that were pretty exhausting.