Gabe Newell: Windows 8 a 'catastrophe,' wristband input could be the future of gaming - Polidicks

Just when compatibility issues for Win7 start dying down, time for a new OS it's like they WANT to keep everything in this eternal cycle of nonfunctional bullshit.

[QUOTE=Panda X;36931453]The only kind of games you'll see in the Windows Store will be those casual games like Upset Birds and Cut the String. I doubt Steam will be affected by it.[/QUOTE] That might be true, but there are a handful of games in the Mac App Store that aren't on Mac Steam like Deus Ex Human Revolution and Tomb Raider Underworld. It might be because they were developed by Feral Interactive rather than Eidos, I don't know.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36936174]Halo 2 still has a load of issues with Windows 7.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. I finished a play through of it last year without any problems.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;36936174]Halo 2 still has a load of issues with Windows 7.[/QUOTE] Halo 2 works just fine. The last patch fixed everything wrong with it.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36935927]Just when compatibility issues for Win7 start dying down, time for a new OS it's like they WANT to keep everything in this eternal cycle of nonfunctional bullshit.[/QUOTE] It's like the time between your posts; everything just seems to get better and then goes to shit again. On a more serious note - what do you expect? Apple is releasing a new OS every year, and Android gets fairly major updates every half year - check out the compability of the apps there. Microsoft releases a new OS every 3 years - that's just enough to keep up with technologic advancements, and honestly I haven't had any compability issues with software less than 10 years old.

[QUOTE=Elspin;36931310]I wish he'd at least actually list the reasons he thinks that - the best way to make yourself look like an idiot is to call something that objectively has a tonne of improvements a "catastrophe".[/QUOTE] if this is about the metro style hes really dumb, its a load faster

[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;36936487]if this is about the metro style hes really dumb, its a load faster[/QUOTE] If Gabe says windows at is a catastrophe, he has a good reason, the man is far from dumb. Hell he even worked at Microsoft a great deal of his adult life.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36931374]Not sure how Windows 8 could be considered a "catastrophe" from a game developer's perspective. It's the same as Windows 7 but with a new input method and mobile support tacked on. Whether the Metro interface will be well-received by grandparents is completely irrelevant to that perspective; nothing was removed that was present in 7. If he means that it's bad how Win8 continues to push touch technology instead of developing support for new creative input methods, that's hardly worth calling a "catastrophe".[/QUOTE] Windows 8 is just the beginning. Micro$oft has already flatly stated the desktops are "dead" and "laptops will join them" in 5 years or so, which for gaming IS a catastrophe. Microsoft said they were switching to a "service subscription" model and if you can't see the writing on the wall, you're blind. It is a catastrophe, for dedicated PC gamers. This is where it starts. Microsoft has a console, they really don't give a fuck about dedicated PC gaming and haven't for years.

[QUOTE=27X;36936749]Windows 8 is just the beginning. Micro$oft has already flatly stated the desktops are "dead" and "laptops will join them" in 5 years or so, which for gaming IS a catastrophe. Microsoft said they were switching to a "service subscription" model and if you can't see the writing on the wall, you're blind. It is a catastrophe, for dedicated PC gamers. This is where it starts. Microsoft has a console, they really don't give a fuck about dedicated PC gaming and haven't for years.[/QUOTE] Oh really? Do you have a source on any of that? Also writing Microsoft with a dollar sign stopped being edgy years ago.

[QUOTE=27X;36936749]Windows 8 is just the beginning. Micro$oft has already flatly stated the desktops are "dead" and "laptops will join them" in 5 years or so, which for gaming IS a catastrophe. Microsoft said they were switching to a "service subscription" model and if you can't see the writing on the wall, you're blind. It is a catastrophe, for dedicated PC gamers. This is where it starts. Microsoft has a console, they really don't give a fuck about dedicated PC gaming and haven't for years.[/QUOTE] "Micro$oft" God I hate petty nicknames like that. Anyway, desktops aren't dead, not even close. I think you are taking whatever MS said out of context. Yes, MS has a console, but they aren't really messing with PC gaming that much, the worst they do is releasing Xbox exclusives.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36936294]It's like the time between your posts; everything just seems to get better and then goes to shit again. On a more serious note - what do you expect? Apple is releasing a new OS every year, and Android gets fairly major updates every half year - check out the compability of the apps there. Microsoft releases a new OS every 3 years - that's just enough to keep up with technologic advancements, and honestly I haven't had any compability issues with software less than 10 years old.[/QUOTE] I just want an OS to be fully functional and reliable for more than a year before it moves on to the next unnecessary OS release. And I wouldn't recommend defending Microsoft by comparing them to Apple, the company that charges 500 dollars a basic tablet PC and then stops supporting it within two years, practically mandating you shell out ANOTHER 500 dollars for the exact same thing. In no way should anyone be imitating Apple's bullshit.

you know you don't have to upgrade to windows 8 right Lankist like Windows 7 still has like a decade of support left

I don't understand, why can't people comprehend that the beta isn't the final product? There's software not released in the RC that will be within the kernel, not tested by the public. There's a reason why Aero was removed, the pieces are there floating around the blogshpere. If they do put things back like Aero, you might see them label the content as DLC and give it a sticker price to plug some of the loss of cash. Also I predict when windows 8 comes out, people who will still be blind to the truth (no not the metro) will say "it works for me".

[QUOTE=Ithon;36937894]I don't understand, why can't people comprehend that the beta isn't the final product? There's software not released in the RC that will be within the kernel, not tested by the public. There's a reason why Aero was removed, the pieces are there floating around the blogshpere. If they do put things back like Aero, you might see them label the content as DLC and give it a sticker price to plug some of the loss of cash. Also I predict when windows 8 comes out, people who will still be blind to the truth (no not the metro) will say "it works for me".[/QUOTE] the Release Preview is not a beta, it's what they used to call a Release Candidate. Plus we've seen more recent builds (closer to RTM) that are pretty similar to RP. What you said about Aero being sold as DLC is fucking retarded. Microsoft as a whole is moving out of Aero and into Metro, all their big products: Windows 8, Xbox, Windows Phone, all of them have a Metro-styled interface. MS even thinking about Aero makes no sense. Plus, what's not to like about Windows 8 really? [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36937366]I just want an OS to be fully functional and reliable for more than a year before it moves on to the next unnecessary OS release. And I wouldn't recommend defending Microsoft by comparing them to Apple, the company that charges 500 dollars a basic tablet PC and then stops supporting it within two years, practically mandating you shell out ANOTHER 500 dollars for the exact same thing. In no way should anyone be imitating Apple's bullshit.[/QUOTE] Ever since Vista, MS has been releasing new iterations of Windows every two years or so, and they'll likely stay on this trend to avoid another big mess like XP ended up turning into.

I understand what he's saying with the direction Microsoft seems to be going in, but at the same time, it's not there YET so it's a bit early to worry about that.

If in the future Linux is getting ports of every game coming out, then I can see myself switching to Linux Until then, Windows

[QUOTE=Zanfall;36936880]Oh really? Do you have a source on any of that? Also writing Microsoft with a dollar sign stopped being edgy years ago.[/QUOTE] Try every Ballmer keynote for the last five years, rofl.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36937366]I just want an OS to be fully functional and reliable for more than a year before it moves on to the next unnecessary OS release. And I wouldn't recommend defending Microsoft by comparing them to Apple, the company that charges 500 dollars a basic tablet PC and then stops supporting it within two years, practically mandating you shell out ANOTHER 500 dollars for the exact same thing. In no way should anyone be imitating Apple's bullshit.[/QUOTE] I don't think I got my point across - Microsoft is really one of the companies with a relatively long development cycle - making it longer wouldn't necessarily be a good thing. I'm not saying they should make it shorter - I wouldn't like that at all - but this cycle is fairly efficient. They can can keep up with advancements in technology, and developers will generally get their stuff to work not long after release. And I'm pretty sure that compability issues really have been quite minor with Windows 7 compared to other OSs. Vista was 5 years underway (though there was a reboot 3 years in), and driver support was horrible in the start, as far as I'm concerned. X64 had become more mainstream in the meantime, and if they had released it 3 years after XP they would be able to jump on the X64 when it started driving. [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;36940263]Try every Ballmer keynote for the last five years, rofl.[/QUOTE] From what I've seen, he makes a point out of the fact that the desktop and laptop market is not the only market, in this interview he talks about enterprise stuff, and this: [quote=Ballmer]But if we were trying to write it the original way, I guess it would be a computer on every desk, every pocket, every watch, every data center, every everything. But in a sense technology is a tool of sort of individual choice, individual creativity, individual empowerment, individual access, and mobility sort of just brings that more to the fold.[/quote] [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2012/07/11/microsofts-steve-ballmer-talks-about-windows-8-bill-gates-and-steve-jobs-and-why-microsofts-lost-decade-is-a-myth/[/url] That's just ubiquitous computing.

For once I have to disagree with the man, Windows 8 is a fairly nice step up from 7 if you're willing to learn. I love the built in DoS amongst other things.

man theres some windows apologetists on fire in here and I thought apple had a shit fanbase. vista was an ultimately crappy OS so don't try and defend it infront of an internet forum audience that doesn't care. if vista were so great how come ms pumped out 7 a mere year after vista after the whole techworld almost went up in flames at the disaster that it was and how come it sucked so much? even the corporate world sniffed that turd from a mile away and they have no clue about computers so the jump went from xp straight to 7 huh, i wonder why. had home basic. For a week. Then I downgraded.

[QUOTE=Askaris;36933815] 2000- Decent. 98- Terrible. 95- Decent. [/QUOTE] this is completely ass backwards 95 was an absolute mess. 98 was the greatest up to XP, and 2000 was the first good implementation of NT. seriously, i remember that 95 crashed more than it ran, and we basically had to wait for 98 to fix everything.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36931279]Wrist computers are the future apparently. Why does the pip-boy come to mind...[/QUOTE] I thought of that cheesy yugioh arm thing that held your cards

From another interview. Newell argues that open platforms are important for innovation to thrive. "Valve wouldn't exist if it weren't for the PC," he said at Casual Connect (via VentureBeat). "Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn't have existed without the openness of the platform." [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200548[/url]

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36931279]Wrist computers are the future apparently. Why does the pip-boy come to mind...[/QUOTE] But... it wasn't a... [t]http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/e/e0/PipBoy2000.png[/t] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/smith.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=spekter;36942702]From another interview. Newell argues that open platforms are important for innovation to thrive. "Valve wouldn't exist if it weren't for the PC," he said at Casual Connect (via VentureBeat). "Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn't have existed without the openness of the platform." [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200548[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah that article is based on the [URL="http://allthingsd.com/20120725/valves-gabe-newell-on-the-future-of-games-wearable-computers-windows-8-and-more/"]interview[/URL] linked in the OP's article.

[QUOTE=spekter;36942702]From another interview. Newell argues that open platforms are important for innovation to thrive. "Valve wouldn't exist if it weren't for the PC," he said at Casual Connect (via VentureBeat). "Id Software, Epic, Zynga, Facebook, and Google wouldn't have existed without the openness of the platform." [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1200548[/url][/QUOTE] But Windows is just as open as ever. If you are going to disagree on this say why don't just say "Because Gabe said so!!!"

[QUOTE=Wootman;36949771]But Windows is just as open as ever.[/QUOTE] The only truly locked down stuff in Windows 8 are the WinRT (Metro) applications due to frameworks needed for them, and applications submitted to the Store. It still works exactly like Windows 7 outside of those two circumstances. Gabe might actually be frightened that the Store could well challenege Steam, especially for the casual market (Steam has shit on that right now still, who are the illiterates more likely to buy from? MS, who have an app in their system already, or Valve, some company they've never heard of who want you to install something called "Stem"?)

Does Valve really need or want the casual market? I mean I know they sell Popcap games and some more "casual" indie games, but still. Like you said, the casual market is full of idiots... do they really wanna do tech support for idiots? Also, a lot of their core demographic sees casual games as a cancer upon gaming. I don't think Gabe sees this as a threat to his business (which is always going to make money hand over fist), but more as an ideological disagreement.

[QUOTE=27X;36936749]Windows 8 is just the beginning. Micro$oft has already flatly stated the desktops are "dead" and "laptops will join them" in 5 years or so, which for gaming IS a catastrophe.[/QUOTE] Hilarious because if you've read what Microsoft actually said in their Building Windows 8 blog they said that the desktop isn't dead and isn't going anywhere. But seeing how you're the $ kind of guy I assume you just read some of that nonsense and just instantly believed it without looking it up yourself to see whether or not they actually said that.

[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;36950207]the casual market is full of idiots... do they really wanna do tech support for idiots?[/QUOTE] [quote]Also, a lot of their core demographic sees casual games as a cancer upon gaming.[/quote] well their core demographics are idiots as well so then they shouldn't have any problems doing tech support for the casual market.