Gabe Newell: Windows 8 a 'catastrophe,' wristband input could be the future of gaming
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[QUOTE=Isuzu;36942555]man theres some windows apologetists on fire in here and I thought apple had a shit fanbase. vista was an ultimately crappy OS so don't try and defend it infront of an internet forum audience that doesn't care.[/QUOTE]
Have you considered we actually don't care about your stupid opinions with a lack of basis? I'm not even going to mention every time your awful post is poorly formatted because if I did I'd be here till I was 90.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36942555]if vista were so great how come ms pumped out 7 a mere year after vista after the whole techworld almost went up in flames at the disaster that it was and how come it sucked so much?[/QUOTE]
Windows Vista release dates:
November 2006 (volume licensing)
January 2007 (retail)
Windows 7 release dates:
October 2009
Right, they released it in a hurry exactly 1 year later because it was a disaster. Not a surprise that your post is actually factually wrong considering what a disaster it is, but let's move on
[QUOTE=Isuzu;36942555]even the corporate world sniffed that turd from a mile away and they have no clue about computers so the jump went from xp straight to 7 huh, i wonder why.
had home basic. For a week. Then I downgraded.[/QUOTE]
Uh, a lot of the corporate world is also still using windows xp despite how awful it is in comparison to windows 7, this is not really a good argument. By the way, how fucking high do you have to be to think the corporate world know nothing about computers?
[QUOTE=Elspin;36931310]I wish he'd at least actually list the reasons he thinks that - the best way to make yourself look like an idiot is to call something that objectively has a tonne of improvements a "catastrophe".[/QUOTE]
From what I hear the layout and UI look horrible while limiting the way you can use 3rd party programs and is the main reason steam is going to linux.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;36953221]From what I hear the layout and UI look horrible while limiting the way you can use 3rd party programs and is the main reason steam is going to linux.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft is not limiting anyone. The only limit is that you can't put apps in the Windows store that steal personal data, or do bad stuff like that. Hell, you can even put links to your non-metro apps in the store!
[QUOTE=thisispain;36942617]this is completely ass backwards
95 was an absolute mess. 98 was the greatest up to XP, and 2000 was the first good implementation of NT.
seriously, i remember that 95 crashed more than it ran, and we basically had to wait for 98 to fix everything.[/QUOTE]
95 was great man.
Used it till ~2004, rarely crashed.
95: Good
98: Good
ME: Shit
2000: Good
XP: Good
Vista: Good after a couple of service packs
7: Good
8: Good
[QUOTE=Natrox;36953976]95 was great man.
Used it till ~2004, rarely crashed.[/QUOTE]
till 2004 why and how
[QUOTE=thisispain;36954806]till 2004 why and how[/QUOTE]
He said "Used it till 2004", not "it was great till 2004". Presumably he got XP after that?
[QUOTE=thisispain;36954806]till 2004 why and how[/QUOTE]
The most recent computer my family had was a DOS/Windows 3.1 box up until... 2002?
It's a wonder how I grew up into the tech geek I am, living on shit like that.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36955038]The most recent computer my family had was a DOS/Windows 3.1 box up until... 2002?
It's a wonder how I grew up into the tech geek I am, living on shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Because you constantly had to fix the damn thing and therefor actually learned how it worked?
Instead of just buying a new & cheap Dell/HP every time the computer gets a virus or you've forgotten how to turn it on.
windows 8 is great. if you think it's terrible you
a. haven't used it
b. you're a conservative idiot who hates it because it has tablet-centric features
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;36960432]windows 8 is great. if you think it's terrible you
a. haven't used it
b. you're a conservative idiot who hates it because it has tablet-centric features[/QUOTE]
Although I haven't used it, so reserve judgement until I do, I don't understand why a desktop has to have tablet-centric features. Why can't they be optional for tablet users? I haven't really seen win8 so I'm not going to moan about it.
But it's like that piece of shit that started coming with ubuntu a while back. Woop-dee-do, it's nicer for netbook and tablet users, for the rest of us it's shit. Thank god you can easily install whatever you like instead.
[QUOTE=Van-man;36960287]Because you constantly had to fix the damn thing and therefor actually learned how it worked?
Instead of just buying a new & cheap Dell/HP every time the computer gets a virus or you've forgotten how to turn it on.[/QUOTE]
I don't know that I ever did anything technical with it. Other than Dad telling me the specific sequence to open Wolfenstein 3D or Paganitzu.
Eventually we did get an HP laptop that was never, ever used for anything other than a desktop. God what a piece of shit.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;36960624]Although I haven't used it, so reserve judgement until I do, I don't understand why a desktop has to have tablet-centric features. Why can't they be optional for tablet users? I haven't really seen win8 so I'm not going to moan about it.
But it's like that piece of shit that started coming with ubuntu a while back. Woop-dee-do, it's nicer for netbook and tablet users, for the rest of us it's shit. Thank god you can easily install whatever you like instead.[/QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't call it entirely tablet-centric. It works very nicely with tablets, but it workd quite nicely with keyboard and mouse as well. I would really recommend trying it, it's a good OS even if you dislike the new start menu.
The thing is, it isn't even particularly tablet-centric. It claims something like "Metro is the new base upon which everything else spawns from" but it's just a masquerade; the Metro screen is just a spoofed up start menu, and the desktop is right there behind it. Everything touch-optimized is literally just concentrated to the small environment that is Metro, everything else that was part of the "desktop" OS is right there behind it all. I thought I would have to use these bloated Apps for video, music, pictures etc but WMP, Picture Viewer and everything else is still there to be used in the desktop environment just as ever.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;36960432]windows 8 is great. if you think it's terrible you
a. haven't used it
b. you're a conservative idiot who hates it because it has tablet-centric features[/QUOTE]
I guess you belong in the, "if you're drivers don't work with your hardware you're not using metro right" category.
I belong in the "I know more then you, metro is the least of it's problems and I'm not complaining about that"
[QUOTE=Ithon;36963003]I guess you belong in the, "if you're drivers don't work with your hardware you're not using metro right" category.
I belong in the "I know more then you, metro is the least of it's problems and I'm not complaining about that"[/QUOTE]
You're aware off that this is not released yet? Many companies do not release drivers for a beta version of an OS, they wait for the launch or a bit beyond that. You can in no way complain about drivers at this point, and I really think you're a part of a small minority.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36963396]You're aware off that this is not released yet? Many companies do not release drivers for a beta version of an OS, they wait for the launch or a bit beyond that. You can in no way complain about drivers at this point, and I really think you're a part of a small minority.[/QUOTE]
Instead of sitting back not saying anything, I'm rubbing it in really hard. And instead of explaining information in a through manor, I'm making myself sound insane because it'll make the "I told you so" from people that much sweeter. Though I will elaborate that hardware companies are working closely with microsoft on this so when the rubber meets the road look at the memos from those companies and look at the bug reports on the official release not the RC.
And windows for RT umm, yeah wait for windows 9 RT.
Edit: you might be able to test out an ARM tablet for press and demo purposes.
Got positively surprised by Win8 hardware support when it automatically made my ancient USB Wifi work without forcing me to dig out the CD like in Win7. Only Ubuntu did that before.
[QUOTE=ihatecompvir;36931318]Don't see how Windows 8 is a catastrophe. In the times I've used it, I absolutely love it.[/QUOTE]
It feels unnecessary to me. It's like windows 7 only with unneeded features above it.
As far as I know people are quite satisfied with Windows 7 and seeing how 8 is pretty much just an evolution of it aimed at tablet PCs, I don't think that new OS will be THE solution people who dislike 7 want.
When Vista was released, it was one hell of a clusterfuck. There was a reason for 7 to get released, because they needed stuff to get fixed fast. But windows 8 ? Why does it even need to exist ? Windows 7 isn't even that old yet, and a lot of people still use XP.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36969410]It feels unnecessary to me. It's like windows 7 only with unneeded features above it.
As far as I know people are quite satisfied with Windows 7 and seeing how 8 is pretty much just an evolution of it aimed at tablet PCs, I don't think that new OS will be THE solution people who dislike 7 want.
When Vista was released, it was one hell of a clusterfuck. There was a reason for 7 to get released, because they needed stuff to get fixed fast. But windows 8 ? Why does it even need to exist ? Windows 7 isn't even that old yet, and a lot of people still use XP.[/QUOTE]
It has a lot of general performance enhancements and updates, the new UI is actually pretty nice once you get used to it, it's tablet friendly for the new tablets they're releasing which is really nice, etc. It's a general upgrade, why shouldn't technology move forward?
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36964294]Got positively surprised by Win8 hardware support when it automatically made my ancient USB Wifi work without forcing me to dig out the CD like in Win7. Only Ubuntu did that before.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they're honestly trying to push this out to as many people as possible. They're even allowing upgrade from Windows XP so they wanna make sure people are compatible.
lol what has gabe been smoking
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;36969410]It feels unnecessary to me. It's like windows 7 only with unneeded features above it.
As far as I know people are quite satisfied with Windows 7 and seeing how 8 is pretty much just an evolution of it aimed at tablet PCs, I don't think that new OS will be THE solution people who dislike 7 want.
When Vista was released, it was one hell of a clusterfuck. There was a reason for 7 to get released, because they needed stuff to get fixed fast. But windows 8 ? Why does it even need to exist ? Windows 7 isn't even that old yet, and a lot of people still use XP.[/QUOTE]
Vista was an anomaly - it was released five years after XP. Other than that, Microsoft has released at least one OS every 3 years, and - on top of my head - 4 between 1998 and 2001, not counting various NT builds, that I don't really know the schedule for.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;36969541]blizzard has been shit post 2005 so their opinion doesn't count
no seriously[/QUOTE]
it's funny because if you replace "blizzard" with "RichyZ" and "2005" with "2007" then the sentence is more true than the original
lets face it the only reason he thinks this wristband thing is a good idea is cause he's too fat and crushed his wii fit
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