Republican politician says 'hot little girls' should carry guns at university so they don't get rape - Polidicks

Rape is bad but it's really naive to think u can teach people not to rape. The most u can teach people not to rape is to tell someone they shouldnt fuck someone sleeping or drunk.

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;47177530]Rape is bad but it's really naive to think u can teach people not to rape. The most u can teach people not to rape is to tell someone they shouldnt fuck someone sleeping or drunk.[/QUOTE] Which would be teaching not to rape people.

Talk about a walking stereotype, jesus.

[QUOTE=OvB;47177535]Which would be teaching not to rape people.[/QUOTE] Kinda because some people are ignorant , but if someone is really keen on being a rapist psycho they will do it

[QUOTE=OvB;47177513]The nice thing about tasers as opposed to guns is it generally leaves the suspect alive, and some of them record evidence on camera and mark the suspect if they manage to escape. Also, if you get shot by a taser you're not raping anybody.[/QUOTE] The effectiveness of a taser is still fairly abysmal. Its a shame that nothing non-lethal can compare to the effectiveness of a gun when trying to get someone to stop what they're doing.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47177443]How about we try to encourage people to stop assaulting others and actually educate people on why it's fucking wrong as opposed to just "let's kill them". I'm all for plugging holes in rapists, but how about we try not to have rapists in the first place?[/QUOTE] In fact, most modernized countries have been doing this for decades now. The only issue being is that you can't stop everyone. I think it's important to appreciate both sides of the argument here. Yes, we should be making sure people don't do this to begin with, but keeping a defense-oriented mentality is by no means a bad thing. Do I believe everyone should respond to these situations with firearms? No, but I can't deny there have been numerous situations in which that would have been a justified and appropriate response. I think what we really need to look into is how to keep that balance right. Too many people push for 100% "EDUCATE THEM" or 100% "DEFEND YER'SELVES" and it's easy for people to forget that you can do both. [editline]20th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;47177535]Which would be teaching not to rape people.[/QUOTE] I think his point is more about showing people that that's wrong, which we do, because while it seems silly a lot of people aren't aware that just because they've been drinking, they can't consent. On the flip side, if Bobby decides "I really wanna rape a woman" then telling him that's wrong won't help much. [editline]20th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;47177513]The nice thing about tasers as opposed to guns is it generally leaves the suspect alive, and some of them record evidence on camera and mark the suspect if they manage to escape. Also, if you get shot by a taser you're not raping anybody.[/QUOTE] Tasers also are insanely inconsistent when it comes to actually stopping people. A thousand factors at any given point can say "yeah nah" when it come to a taser. Being a generally big individual, drug use, adrenaline flow, all of these can and have kept people trucking through a taser hit before.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;47177353]And even then the argument should not be "how to arm yourself against rape" but "how do we stop people from raping other people.[/QUOTE] I don't lock my doors at night because the argument should not be 'how to defend yourself against burglary' but 'how do we stop people from burglarizing other people'. I think it's absolutely reprehensible the way some people shame others for taking active steps to defend themselves and avoid becoming a victim rather than sit and whine about the status quo. Until we live in a perfect utopian society crime is going to exist and people ought to take appropriate precautions. If someone is trained and competent in the use of a firearm why shouldn't they carry?

but really think of all the random shootings because some guy made an unwanted advance, even if he was just socially dumb or creepy

[QUOTE=catbarf;47177565]I don't lock my doors at night because the argument should not be 'how to defend yourself against burglary' but 'how do we stop people from burglarizing other people'. I think it's absolutely reprehensible the way some people shame others for taking active steps to defend themselves and avoid becoming a victim rather than sit and whine about the status quo. Until we live in a perfect utopian society crime is going to exist and people ought to take appropriate precautions. If someone is trained and competent in the use of a firearm why shouldn't they carry?[/QUOTE] Nobody is shaming anyone for taking steps to defend themselves; only saying that such steps shouldn't be necessary.

[QUOTE=OvB;47177513]The nice thing about tasers as opposed to guns is it generally leaves the suspect alive, and some of them record evidence on camera and mark the suspect if they manage to escape. Also, if you get shot by a taser you're not raping anybody.[/QUOTE] Tasers are usually one shot deals. I don't think Taser sells the reloadable tasers to the public and even then it takes time to reload them. Miss? You're fucked. Guy is wearing heavy clothing? You're fucked. Multiple people? You're fucked. They also have a pretty awful range on them. The civilian versions from memory are only 15ft. The police ones though go out to 45ft.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;47177574]Nobody is shaming anyone for taking steps to defend themselves; only saying that such steps shouldn't be necessary.[/QUOTE] Absolutely, but that's the ideal. As much as even I wish no one had to carry firearms, I'm not going to lie to myself and say that's true. There are plenty of situations where trained individuals have protected themselves or others with a firearms. Now will I say that there's no mishaps? Of course not. But we don't need a culture shift to cut down personal carry, we need one to increase desire to get proper firearms training.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47177443]How about we try to encourage people to stop assaulting others and actually educate people on why it's fucking wrong as opposed to just "let's kill them". I'm all for plugging holes in rapists, but how about we try not to have rapists in the first place?[/QUOTE] This ideology is just plain stupid and counter productive, there will always be rapists, I'm sure everyone already knows how wrong it is, the people who rape don't give a fuck, do you think they'd feel sympathy for their victims? Of course not. You can't stop rape by telling people rape is bad, there needs to be strict jail time enforced for convicted rapists, no killing or that bullshit, just harsh jail time and rehabilitation, if it's possible. There will always be rapists whether they're taught how wrong it is or not.

Do people still use non-projectile tasers? Like just the one you shove into someone? I would have thought that would generally be more effective, be easier to use and be more ideal in a close-quarters situation than their long range counterpart.

That's a creepy republican if I knew one "hot little girls"

[QUOTE=OvB;47177513]The nice thing about tasers as opposed to guns is it generally leaves the suspect alive, and some of them record evidence on camera and mark the suspect if they manage to escape. Also, if you get shot by a taser you're not raping anybody.[/QUOTE] If tasers and stun guns were effective means of self defense, civilians wouldn't have need for guns. A contact stun gun or can of mace is not an easy tool to use, and someone of a smaller build who can't fight off the attacker physically has no recourse if it fails. Women should not be expected to rely on self-defense tools that require them to go hand-to-hand with an aggressive male attacker. [QUOTE=Prismatex;47177574]Nobody is shaming anyone for taking steps to defend themselves; only saying that such steps shouldn't be necessary.[/QUOTE] But they are necessary, so what's the point of talking about education? Nobody here said 'education is pointless, let's just shoot all the rapists'. People come in and start saying the solution should be education rather than self-defense, so how else is that supposed to be interpreted?

i'll reiterate a statement i said in another thread..WHY THE FUCK are retarded people like this in any form of power. Seriously they are so out of touch with reality that they live in they're own little world yet people are paying for them to be in an office of power.......what the fuck.

[QUOTE=EditOutJ;47177596]Do people still use non-projectile tasers? Like just the one you shove into someone? I would have thought that would generally be more effective, be easier to use and be more ideal in a close-quarters situation than their long range counterpart.[/QUOTE] Indeed, they're on average more effective than projectile tasters. The only issue being is that you need to be within an arms length of your attacker, which is the last place you should ever be. Perhaps carrying one may help some people in the worst case situation, but we shouldn't try and -encourage- such a closeup method of defense.

Then the rapists will shift targets to people who dont have gun. Now we have to arm our children, our pets, poor people, democrats, weaboos, and the amazon rainforest.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47177565]I don't lock my doors at night because the argument should not be 'how to defend yourself against burglary' but 'how do we stop people from burglarizing other people'.[/QUOTE] I literally said a sentence before that saying "you should take some precautions". Way to selectively read.

[QUOTE=Rhenae;47177661]I literally said a sentence before that saying "you should take some precautions". Way to selectively read.[/QUOTE] And yet you say that concealed carry is a bad idea and people should use mace. So by 'some precautions' you must mean 'limited and ineffective ones, because we should just teach rapists not to rape instead'. Which is a poor argument, not to mention nobody in the thread has said increased education and social pressure against rape is a bad thing. We can have both increased social pressure against rapists [i]and[/i] an armed populace that actively combats victimization. If you're saying people shouldn't be armed because you'll teach rapists not to rape then you're advocating against self-defense in favor of education, regardless of how you phrase it.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;47177614]That's a creepy republican if I knew one "hot little girls"[/QUOTE] i just imagined his eyes glazing over as he got a cold sweat, licked his lips, and a little squirt of pre-cum soaked the front of his pants

[QUOTE=catbarf;47177728]And yet you say that concealed carry is a bad idea and people should use mace. So by 'some precautions' you must mean 'limited and ineffective ones, because we should just teach rapists not to rape instead'. Which is a poor argument, not to mention nobody in the thread has said increased education and social pressure against rape is a bad thing. We can have both increased social pressure against rapists [i]and[/i] an armed populace that actively combats victimization. If you're saying people shouldn't be armed because you'll teach rapists not to rape then you're advocating against self-defense in favor of education, regardless of how you phrase it.[/QUOTE] I'm advocating for non lethal defense, because I don't believe that a population should carry lethal force on them at all times. 2012 statistics according to the UN show that per 100,000 people in the population (not just women) 26.6 people were raped in the US compared to only 1.4 in Canada. But we have substantially lower gun ownership rates. Guns are not a problem solver. Compound the fact that it's so difficult to prove a rape as is, let alone if you shoot a person before they can do anything to do (which presumably is the goal), then they are going to have to prove this person was attempting to rape them of face serious legal penalties themselves. Most rapes are not random encounters on the street. They are people who got a bit too drunk and got taken advantage of, date rape drugs, and being pressured into sex by someone they know.

[QUOTE=OvB;47177513]The nice thing about tasers as opposed to guns is it generally leaves the suspect alive, and some of them record evidence on camera and mark the suspect if they manage to escape. Also, if you get shot by a taser you're not raping anybody.[/QUOTE] -guy goes to rape a chick -guy gets tased for a minute -guy now aggressively rapes chick

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47177864]-guy goes to rape a chick -guy gets tased for a minute -guy now aggressively rapes chick[/QUOTE] You're lucky if it's a whole minute. Depending on your body and chemicals in it, you can withstand a taser a lot quicker if it has effect at all.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47177440]Doesn't sound too bad actually. Rapists are lowlife scum and if a few of them get a bullet in their brain during the act, I don't feel bad about it.[/QUOTE] Except not all rapists are lowlife skum...college rape usually involves one or both parties being completely wasted and not in control, its not excusable but college rape statistically is very different from other kinds of rape Now most colleges ban guns in dorms and living spaces because they are so dense with people and alcohol. The last thing you need is someone getting drunk at a house party, shooting a bunch of rounds into his or her ceiling and killing whoever is above

[QUOTE=Sableye;47177896]Except not all rapists are lowlife skum...college rape usually involves one or both parties being completely wasted and not in control, its not excusable but college rape statistically is very different from other kinds of rape[/QUOTE]Do you think people will start shooting one another over drunk sex?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47177903]Do you think people will start shooting one another over drunk sex?[/QUOTE] Put guns into the hands of intoxicated college students and all bets are off. I've had plenty of fire alarms because they microwave a ramin container in the packaging, and I've seen two drunk guys start an entire riot. Ive seen drunk guys go from calm to smashing their faces against solid brick walls,and almost every weekend they would destroy the dorm I lived in when they came back drunk and thought it was a good idea to punch through walls and smash furniture ive seen a lot of crazy drunken shit and College campuses are not a place for guns

[QUOTE=Sableye;47177921]Put guns into the hands of intoxicated college students and all bets are off. I've had plenty of fire alarms because they microwave a ramin container in the packaging, and I've seen two drunk guys start an entire riot. College campuses are not a place for guns[/QUOTE] American gun culture confuses me. You want guns but you don't want guns in X or Y. I don't understand this mentality.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47177934]American gun culture confuses me. You want guns but you don't want guns in X or Y. I don't understand this mentality.[/QUOTE] Ya its a massive fucking conundrum, we have people who are either too insecure and fear everyone around them or they don't believe they pose a danger to society carrying around enormous levels of firepower. Look even in the mythical old west people didn't go around incredibly armed like they do today, many public events people had to disarm for. Today's gun-crazy culture comes alongside the most polarizing right-wing political groups in us history

I think a can of mace can accomplish the exact same result without leaving anybody dead. College date rapists aren't exactly known for taking what they want at gunpoint. I like that my campus is gun free, and I don't think every problem should be solved by throwing more guns at it. For this particular problem, there are better ways to approach it.