Airbnb faces outcry after transgender guest was denied stay by a host - Polidicks

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50476664]It's like the woman offered the information that she's transgender almost expecting a reaction of some kind, what other reason would she mention it for?[/QUOTE] it's almost as though people regularly discriminate against trans people, to the extent that she felt the need to inform the room-owner that she was trans just in case the person was discriminatory and [I]whaddya know[/I] looks like she was entirely right to do so eh?

[QUOTE=Killuah;50477001]Being awkward around transgender is not reality of the current situation, it's the reality of YOUR current situation, you even stated that[/QUOTE] and immediately after stated that the well-documented data for discrimination is to be sufficient evidence to support my claim gg on that comprehension of yours

So discrimination is [quote] especially around young children, which is why it is fully understandable and even relatable that this woman decided not to involve herself with this person. [/quote] in summary: understandable, because.... there is discrimination? What? In case your claim is not that it's "understandable"(even though you said it up there), please clarify.

who gives a shit whether or not the discrimination is 'understandable' the fact that a member of the KKK who is brought up to hate black people is 'understandable', but it doesn't somehow mean that their views are protected from criticism or their character immune to scrutiny it's a complete non-argument that is used to slyly express support for the person without actually saying it (because you'd be torn to shreds if you did), or it's a non-argument brought up to illicit a reaction from people (trolling) nobody does anything that can't be traced to an explaining reason, that's cause and fucking effect what a complete non-issue

[QUOTE=Melnek;50476756]too controversial, too weird and still not fully recognized by society[/quote] Why is it weird to you? [quote] this makes it very difficult to be around trans people because you never know how to approach them or speak to them because you need to choose your words carefully. even the pronouns you address them by are critical. [/quote] Why not just ask them what their preferred pronouns are? [quote] it takes a massive toll on the socializing part when you understand just how sensitive it all is, once trans people become part of society rather than a group still trying to find their place, its going to be uncomfortable, awkward and tense to varying degrees no matter what you do. [/quote] I think trans people have found their place- with everyone else [quote] especially around young children, which is why it is fully understandable and even relatable that this woman decided not to involve herself with this person.[/QUOTE] 16 is young?

Melnek how about you drop this stupid sharade of "well this is how society is that's not my fault" and just say that it's entirely your own backwards views I mean come the fuck on everybody knows it, you know it, just face your own prejudice [QUOTE=Melnek;49761854]i frankly don't see how i'm erasing a core component of who somebody is by referring to the by the noun that i feel more comfortable in, how does that ruin you entirely to the point of self harm? how is that such an insult to your existence that you recoil in hurtfulness? [B]it's just a word. it is not my fault that people chose to put such incredible power into these nouns as if they are the unequivocal judge of what you are. [/B] this is fundamentally unhealthy. but put aside this and consider the following;[B] if gender as you say is such a fluid concept, then why put such importance into exactly WHAT gender you identify as?[/B] according to you, it doesn't really matter in the end because nothing is set in stone, and a person is by nature never fully a man or fully woman, they may indeed possess enough similar characteristics of the same kind to scientifically be "more" male than female. so where does this utter revolt stem from when people "misgender" you? if however that isn't the main concern, if what truly matter is what the person is feeling, then i may just as easily claim that i have felt like a unicorn since early childhood and then as i matured started to demand from every person who addressed me to refer to me as a horse and got severely depressed when these demands weren't met. i would be quickly put into a mental asylum. i realize i may be belittling trans peoples current blight with that analogy but that's just because i believe that they are focusing entirely on the wrong things, on extraneous and contentious things instead of combating the heart of their problem, which is them just being weird to society.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Killuah;50477087]Melnek how about you drop this stupid sharade of "well this is how society is that's not my fault" and just say that it's entirely your own backwards views I mean come the fuck on everybody knows it, you know it, just face your own prejudice[/QUOTE] oh boy is it that time to dig through peoples old posts in an attempt to discredit what they have to say? lmao the funny thing is nowhere in that post have i even said anything remotely offensive or against trans people, i was questioning the presumed importance they claim to gender itself and why must they cling unto it when it is better to focus on other paths but in your mind im some closeted trans hater. alright there friendo. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;50477075]Why is it weird to you? Why not just ask them what their preferred pronouns are? I think trans people have found their place- with everyone else 16 is young?[/QUOTE] its not really to me, with what this world has to offer in weirdness trans are the least surprising thing out there and if trans people found their place they wouldn't be discriminated against and actively pushed out of society wherever they go [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] also, really sorry im not your cardboard cut-out anti-LGBT boogyman you think i am, i just try to look at things from a different perspective and keep in mind things that people who partake in communities that share the exact same ideas -- tend to overlook.

[QUOTE=bitches;50474746]quotes[/QUOTE] The good ol "I'll get my way in this argument by comparing you to a racist or a nazi"

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50477029]it's almost as though people regularly discriminate against trans people, to the extent that she felt the need to inform the room-owner that she was trans just in case the person was discriminatory and [I]whaddya know[/I] looks like she was entirely right to do so eh?[/QUOTE] Which of these is discrimination? Example 1. I don't feel comfortable around transgender people. Example 2. I don't feel comfortable in the body I was born in. Do transgender people have a copyright on feelings?

To be honest, I really don't see the big deal. Yeah, you're not allowed to discriminate on AirBnB but at the end of the day, it's her own home, and hosts reject people all the time: either you're too young for them and they feel you'll trash the place, or you don't seem like you'll be an amicable guest. I've been rejected loads of times for being young and the host assuming I'll leave the place in a horrible state. I don't see why this had to make news headlines? The person who got rejected should have just done what everyone else does: search for a new place.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477207]Which of these is discrimination? Example 1. I don't feel comfortable around transgender people. Example 2. I don't feel comfortable in the body I was born in. Do transgender people have a copyright on feelings?[/QUOTE] Denying service on the base of someones sexual orientation???????

"Make kid uncomfortable" I really don't know what kind of kid she has, but when I was a wee lil' lad and all my friends alike, nothing made me "uncomfortable". Some things scared me, some things I disliked but for the most part, I found everything "cool". Gays/lesbians? Cool! Gore? Hella cool! Horrors? Scary cool! Male character in a movie wearing pretty much nothing but very tight panties in some kind of satirical perverse dream of his? Funny and coo- Mom, what do you mean I can't watch it, it was funny!

[QUOTE=Melnek;50476446]maybe because trans people are extremely uncomfortable to be around?[/QUOTE] You are extremely uncomfortable to be around, can you leave this forum please?

She shouldn't have been fired, that's fucked up. This establishment no longer reserves the right to refuse service to whomever. Neither do any fucking establishments anymore.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50477357]Denying service on the base of someones sexual orientation???????[/QUOTE] Or on the basis that they are not comfortable around transgender people? Is it wrong for her to feel this way? We have no more rights to question this woman on her feelings than we do to question the transgender woman on hers.

[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;50477373]"Make kid uncomfortable" I really don't know what kind of kid she has, but when I was a wee lil' lad and all my friends alike, nothing made me "uncomfortable". Some things scared me, some things I disliked but for the most part, I found everything "cool". Gays/lesbians? Cool! Gore? Hella cool! Horrors? Scary cool! Male character in a movie wearing pretty much nothing but very tight panties in some kind of satirical perverse dream of his? Funny and coo- Mom, what do you mean I can't watch it, it was funny![/QUOTE] No you're supposed to be ucomfortable with it that's why I prevent you to come in contact with it Bobby.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477401]Or on the basis that they are not comfortable around transgender people? Is it wrong for her to feel this way? We have no more rights to question this woman on her feelings than we do to question the transgender woman on hers.[/QUOTE] the fuck are you even talking about why are you equating the feeling of transphobia to the "feeling" of the diagnosed condition of gender dysphoria what point are you even trying to make as i have already said, because it's her "feeling" that she's bigoted towards transphobic people means fuck all we wouldn't be respecting her feelings if she was racist or sexist, why would we if she's transphobic

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50477511]It doesn't matter if she's racist, sexist or transphobic because it's still her house and she has all the rights to turn people away. Sure she's gonna get shat on by the company and all that, but that's something she is fully aware of. Shitty people exist and trying to force these shitty people to do things that aren't discriminating is only gonna turn them even more shitty in the process[/QUOTE] It ceased to just be her house and started being a business the moment she decided to list it on Airbnb.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50477511]It doesn't matter if she's racist, sexist or transphobic because it's still her house and she has all the rights to turn people away. Sure she's gonna get shat on by the company and all that, but that's something she is fully aware of. Shitty people exist and trying to force these shitty people to do things that aren't discriminating is only gonna turn them even more shitty in the process[/QUOTE] airbnb removed her as a host because she violated her contract which required her to obey non-discrimination laws sure she has a right to turn people away, and then airbnb has the legal right to terminate her as a host on their service for violating contract then there's a legal right to further action from anyone who was turned away by her on the grounds of discrimination because [I]she had broken the law [/I] she has all the right in the world to turn people away from her home, but she doesn't have a right to still be a host/list her property for occupation if she's breaking the law on it

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50477417]the fuck are you even talking about why are you equating the feeling of transphobia to the "feeling" of the diagnosed condition of gender dysphoria what point are you even trying to make as i have already said, because it's her "feeling" that she's bigoted towards transphobic people means fuck all we wouldn't be respecting her feelings if she was racist or sexist, why would we if she's transphobic[/QUOTE] lol, feign utter surprise and disgust then add a phobia. Voila, point made. The woman obviously isn't comfortable around transgender people. She hasn't blamed anyone else for her feelings, she has just made a considered decision that she doesn't want a transgender person in her house which is fair enough. She hasn't done anything illegal. Why so judgemental about someone elses feelings?

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477540][B]doesn't want a transgender person in her house which is fair enough.[/B] She hasn't done anything illegal. Why so judgemental about someone elses feelings?[/QUOTE] Because this is transphobia and you seem to defend it too.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477540]lol, feign utter surprise and disgust then add a phobia. Voila, point made. The woman obviously isn't comfortable around transgender people. She hasn't blamed anyone else for her feelings, she has just made a considered decision that she doesn't want a transgender person in her house which is fair enough. She hasn't done anything illegal. Why so judgemental about someone elses feelings?[/QUOTE] because she denied service on discriminatory grounds if she doesn't want a transgender person in her house, she shouldn't have signed a contract that required her to allow transgender people, and she shouldn't have done it in a country with laws preventing landlords/owners from discriminating against people based on gender, race etc she has [B]literally done something illegal and against airbnb contract[/B]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50477559]because [B]she denied service on discriminatory grounds[/B] if she doesn't want a transgender person in her house, she shouldn't have signed a contract that required her to allow transgender people, and she shouldn't have done it in a country with laws preventing landlords/owners from discriminating against people based on gender, race etc she has [B]literally done something illegal and against airbnb contract[/B][/QUOTE] This should be enough to close the argument really. I disagree, personally, but the law is the law.

You disagree that it's discrimination?

[QUOTE=Killuah;50477574]You disagree that it's discrimination?[/QUOTE] Oops. Nah, my wording mistake. I mean I think it's a little bit restrictive of individual freedoms for her to be fired for it, but it's also restrictive of the other's individual freedoms to be denied service. I don't see it as good that it happened or bad. I just have a little bit of a personal bias against transgender folk, as I'm the first to admit I don't quite understand the whole thing. That's not to say I'm not open to learn, I just haven't got a clue how it all works or any of that

Well I have empathy for someone with a phobia, phobia's can be debilitating and people do not choose to have them. I hardly think anyone on air bnb gives a lot of thought to the fact that they might have a TG client. All I can say is it must be a slow news day.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477609]Well I have empathy for someone with a phobia, phobia's can be debilitating and people do not choose to have them. I hardly think anyone on air bnb gives a lot of thought to the fact that they might have a TG client. All I can say is it must be a slow news day.[/QUOTE] I have a phobia of stupidity, your post is triggering me. Can you please remove it?

In the same manner that a homophobic person isn't actually suffering from a phobia, neither is a transphobic person. The terminology is used too often as an excuse to be spiteful.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50477616]I have a phobia of stupidity, your post is triggering me. Can you please remove it?[/QUOTE] You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal. I suspect you might be more offended than the woman who was rejected. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;50477620]In the same manner that a homophobic person isn't actually suffering from a phobia, neither is a transphobic person. The terminology is used too often as an excuse to be spiteful.[/QUOTE] The diagnosis came from another self proclaimed expert, I just ran with it.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50477605]Oops. Nah, my wording mistake. I mean I think it's a little bit restrictive of [B]individual freedoms[/B] for her to be fired for it, but it's also restrictive of the other's individual freedoms to be denied service. I don't see it as good that it happened or bad. I just have a little bit of a personal bias against transgender folk, as I'm the first to admit I don't quite understand the whole thing. That's not to say I'm not open to learn, I just haven't got a clue how it all works or any of that[/QUOTE] You can't really talk about individuals freedoms when you're doing it through a company. She's (afaik) within her rights to not provide service to transgender people, but that still means that she's violating Airbnb's ToS or contract or whatever, meaning she's gonna get fired. You're free to make your own choices, but you can't choose your own consequences. I'm free to call a customer a huge cunt, and McDonald's would be free to fire me.