Airbnb faces outcry after transgender guest was denied stay by a host - Polidicks

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477641]You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal. I suspect you might be more offended than the woman who was rejected. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] The diagnosis came from another self proclaimed expert, I just ran with it.[/QUOTE] you don't know what the word transphobia means do you and i thought i made it clear when i distinguished the two by saying that gender dysphoria was diagnosed

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477641]You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal.[/QUOTE] No? The only thing that shall not be tolerated is intolerance

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477641]You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal. I suspect you might be more offended than the woman who was rejected. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] The diagnosis came from another self proclaimed expert, I just ran with it.[/QUOTE] why should I have to accept discrimination and bigotry lmfao

Frankly I'm more worried about the fact that she's the producer of Yo Gabba Gabba :v:

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50477700]Frankly I'm more worried about the fact that she's the producer of Yo Gabba Gabba :v:[/QUOTE] r8 bad reading, the transwoman is the producer of yo gabba gabba

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477641]You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal. I suspect you might be more offended than the woman who was rejected.[/QUOTE] It is a big deal when I see friends being treated as less than for absolutely no reason. I don't have to be comfortable with someone else's discomfort.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50477605]Oops. Nah, my wording mistake. I mean I think it's a little bit restrictive of individual freedoms for her to be fired for it, but it's also restrictive of the other's individual freedoms to be denied service. I don't see it as good that it happened or bad. I just have a little bit of a personal bias against transgender folk, as I'm the first to admit I don't quite understand the whole thing. That's not to say I'm not open to learn, I just haven't got a clue how it all works or any of that[/QUOTE] The problem is that businesses do not exist in a vaccuum. We live in a society that relies on businesses being able to service us in order to survive. Sure, in a big city a single business making a decision to discriminate based upon unchangeable traits probably won't have that much of an effect, as there are many other businesses to choose from. However, when you consider small and rural towns, a person can very easily be ostracised from their own community. We should be planning towards a worst-case situation where all businesses are refusing to serve a certain minority. Plus there is the issue of many businesses being supported by taxpayers, whether this be through government grants or tax rebates for small businesses. Therefore if a taxpayer has in any capacity contributed to this, it wouldn't be fair to allow them to be turned away on discriminatory grounds.

[QUOTE=Melnek;50476446]maybe because trans people are extremely uncomfortable to be around?[/QUOTE] Great argument bro. That one will definitely hold up. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477641]You and others just need to accept that some people are just not comfortable with transgender people. Big deal. I suspect you might be more offended than the woman who was rejected. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] The diagnosis came from another self proclaimed expert, I just ran with it.[/QUOTE] I guess I should just be fine with the fact that people hate folks like myself because of bigotry and ignorance and that I shouldn't expect common human decency from these people. I can accept the fact that there are people uncomfortable with my body, shit, I'm uncomfortable with my body so I can understand that. What I can't accept is you saying it's alright to discriminate because you're uncomfortable with my body.

Imo, people are free to be uncomfortable with whatever they want, likewise AirBnb is free to remove that owner from their services. But I do not support her photo being spread around like a witch hunt. Airbnb acted correctly but shaming her to wide world is not the solution, do you think that will change her mind or the mind of others? The owner shouldn't discriminate but this should be dealt between them. Next time, people won't be as explicit when they want to negate someone.

[QUOTE=Melnek;50476756]too controversial, too weird and still not fully recognized by society this makes it very difficult to be around trans people because you never know how to approach them or speak to them because you need to choose your words carefully. even the pronouns you address them by are critical. it takes a massive toll on the socializing part when you understand just how sensitive it all is, once trans people become part of society rather than a group still trying to find their place, its going to be uncomfortable, awkward and tense to varying degrees no matter what you do. especially around young children, which is why it is fully understandable and even relatable that this woman decided not to involve herself with this person.[/QUOTE] it seems like you're the problem it's not hard to treat people like human beings dude you make it seem like an arduous journey just to be a normal respectful person

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50477550]Yes and hopefully she'll end up getting a hefty fine and whatever else you can slap on top of that to make her think twice before being close minded enough to try and blame her own kid for her own prejudice[/QUOTE] Ah, the good 'ol "I'm gonna force my views on you" method. She's allowed to have her own views no matter how bigoted they are, she shouldn't be fined for that. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;50477683]why should I have to accept discrimination and bigotry lmfao[/QUOTE] because there will always be people who are bigoted and discriminate against others, and trying to force your views on them is just as shitty

[QUOTE=Melnek;50476446]maybe because trans people are extremely uncomfortable to be around?[/QUOTE] imagine being so socially backwards that you can't talk to someone because of something so stupid as 'them being trans' you may know a trans person and not even realize it.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50477559]because she denied service on discriminatory grounds if she doesn't want a transgender person in her house, she shouldn't have signed a contract that required her to allow transgender people, and she shouldn't have done it in a country with laws preventing landlords/owners from discriminating against people based on gender, race etc she has [B]literally done something illegal and against airbnb contract[/B][/QUOTE] Has she? I don't think signing up for AirBnB legally makes you a hotel. She violated the AirBnB contract and was rightfully terminated as a result, but what she did isn't illegal.

Shadi (the woman who posted the screenshot) said on Twitter that this incident actually happened a while ago and that she's only posting it right now because of the discrimination controversy going on right now with Airbnb and Black users. She actually brought it up with Airbnb when it happened but they didn't do anything about it. I guess she wanted to show that the discrimination going on by hosts has been happening for a while. Also, she doesn't support the company's decision to instantly ban the host without warning, she'd rather want education and compromise. I also want to clarify that transgender people do not [I]feel[/I] like they're the other gender, they [B]are[/B] the other gender. The "feeling like you're in the wrong body" is just a way to try and explain Gender Dysphoria to people who don't experience it. The science behind what causes trans people is still sort of unclear and stuff, but it's clearly a natural thing. Trans people have existed for as long as humans have, since ancient civilizations. So trans people aren't some new thing society just barely has to deal with now, it's just that since people have the internet and LGBT acceptance has risen it is now more likely that trans people will get the rights and acceptance they deserve.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50477207]Which of these is discrimination? Example 1. I don't feel comfortable around transgender people. Example 2. I don't feel comfortable in the body I was born in. Do transgender people have a copyright on feelings?[/QUOTE] What a useless fucking post Equating flat out ignorance with gender dysphoria, amazing

[QUOTE=reedbo;50478760]Great argument bro. That one will definitely hold up. [editline]8th June 2016[/editline] I guess I should just be fine with the fact that people hate folks like myself because of bigotry and ignorance and that I shouldn't expect common human decency from these people. I can accept the fact that there are people uncomfortable with my body, shit, I'm uncomfortable with my body so I can understand that. What I can't accept is you saying it's alright to discriminate because you're uncomfortable with my body.[/QUOTE] I wasn't talking about me. I have nothing against transexuals personally. I was just debating people's double standards and intolerance of others feelings.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50480111]I wasn't talking about me. I have nothing against transexuals personally. I was just debating people's double standards and intolerance of others feelings.[/QUOTE] If your feelings erase and disrespect the existence of a whole group of people then they should not be tolerated. Whatever happened to treating people the way you want to be treated?

I get it, maybe we should consider Orwell's thought police.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50480238]I get it, maybe we should consider Orwell's thought police.[/QUOTE] Oh I see you're arguing for those noble rebels fighting against the status quo of treating people like human beings? Opinions and beliefs influence policies and actions. Bigotry often times comes from ignorance, but what's the point if someone rejects attempts at sharing knowledge and information? Nice attempt at snubbing arguments with an Orwell reference btw

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50480111]I wasn't talking about me. I have nothing against transexuals personally. I was just debating people's double standards and intolerance of others feelings.[/QUOTE] Someones feelings are hurt vs someone is out a place to sleep due to prejudice against who they are which ones really more severe take a serious minute, and think about it

[QUOTE=Melnek;50477114] and if trans people found their place they wouldn't be discriminated against and actively pushed out of society wherever they go [/quote] Actually, they have found their place, it just looks like you don't want to accept it or something. [quote] also, really sorry im not your cardboard cut-out anti-LGBT boogyman you think i am, i just try to look at things from a different perspective and keep in mind things that people who partake in communities that share the exact same ideas -- tend to overlook.[/QUOTE] I've been fairly respectful this entire time (although the others not so much), really.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50480238]I get it, maybe we should consider Orwell's thought police.[/QUOTE] this is such a pretentious post lmfao

[QUOTE=Melnek;50477114] and if trans people found their place they wouldn't be discriminated against and actively pushed out of society wherever they go [/QUOTE] Where would their place be? As prostitutes and sex workers only? This argument isn't valid. It would be like arguing that women should have stayed in the kitchen instead of actually trying to have careers and political power. Not only that, but transpeople are discriminated against when they're not doing anything. Sometimes they're killed just for being seen outside. There was that story recently about the football player who killed a transwoman because he thought she was attractive and then realized she was trans, she didn't even talk to him. The argument that they should find their place is victim blaming, saying that it's their fault for being persecuted.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50480238]I get it, maybe we should consider Orwell's thought police.[/QUOTE] Orwell was a social democrat who believed in politically correct speech.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50481122]Orwell was a social democrat who believed in politically correct speech.[/QUOTE] You do know that 1984 was a work of fiction? Anyway, a lot of you are quick to condemn the woman for how she feels but would you be so quick if for instance it was a snake or a spider that made her feel uncomfortable. It might of escaped your superior intelligence that not everyone in the world thinks the same way. People don't always make conscious decisions to feel uncomfortable about certain things and it would be conjecture to assume that she is discriminative, this woman hasn't exactly been crusading against transexuals she has merely expressed a preference because of how she feels when a situation that she no doubt hadn't given any consideration to before suddenly happened, the rest is just a bunch of drama queen style self righteous keyboard warriorism.

I don't think anybody is really wrong in this situation. That woman has every right not to let someone in her house for any reason, and AirBnB has every right to remove her as a host for any reason (especially since this was in the ToS). Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50482770]You do know that 1984 was a work of fiction? Anyway, a lot of you are quick to condemn the woman for how she feels but would you be so quick if for instance it was a snake or a spider that made her feel uncomfortable. It might of escaped your superior intelligence that not everyone in the world thinks the same way. People don't always make conscious decisions to feel uncomfortable about certain things and it would be conjecture to assume that she is discriminative, this woman hasn't exactly been crusading against transexuals she has merely expressed a preference because of how she feels when a situation that she no doubt hadn't given any consideration to before suddenly happened, the rest is just a bunch of drama queen style self righteous keyboard warriorism.[/QUOTE] I don't think there's any drama in asking someone to not compare trans people to spiders or the like. I don't think there's any drama in thinking airbnb was in the right here and she was in the wrong when she violated their contract.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50482827]I don't think anybody is really wrong in this situation. That woman has every right not to let someone in her house for any reason, and AirBnB has every right to remove her as a host for any reason (especially since this was in the ToS). Seems pretty cut and dry to me.[/QUOTE] This. There is not really any news in this article. All the responses are just outrage from people who want to be upset. It's such a US thing to me. As an American you probably won't get it or understand, but to the outside world it just seems like Americans are always looking for drama. Or maybe it's just the rest of the world behaving this way, and it's Dutch people who are really apathetic about it all. You can't force everyone to be friends. Some people are going to hate each other, and often for stupid reasons. You're not entitled to respect.

[QUOTE=V12US;50482879]This. There is not really any news in this article. All the responses are just outrage from people who want to be upset. It's such a US thing to me. As an American you probably won't get it or understand, but to the outside world it just seems like Americans are always looking for drama. Or maybe it's just the rest of the world behaving this way, and it's Dutch people who are really apathetic about it all. You can't force everyone to be friends. Some people are going to hate each other, and often for stupid reasons. You're not entitled to respect.[/QUOTE] I like to blame the news. It's extremely polarized, sensational, and opinionated. Cultivates an awful "us vs them" mentality for every issue.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50482908]I like to blame the news. It's extremely polarized, sensational, and opinionated. Cultivates an awful "us vs them" mentality for every issue.[/QUOTE] Certain members here who purport to crusade for empathy and political correctness are actually the most divisive. [editline]9th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50482864]I don't think there's any drama in asking someone to not compare trans people to spiders or the like. I don't think there's any drama in thinking airbnb was in the right here and she was in the wrong when she violated their contract.[/QUOTE] I am not comparing trans people to spiders as you already know. I have never argued the airbnb/contract angle as she is clearly in breach of her contract.