Teen girls plead not guilty in Slender Man stabbing case - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sweetbro;48512404]so is the circlejerk of people who want to throw 13 year old girls in the slammer for life[/QUOTE] Maybe they shouldn't have, idk, murdered their friend over fucking slenderman?

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;48513770]Maybe they shouldn't have, idk, murdered their friend over fucking slenderman?[/QUOTE] "Their friend" was stabbed 19 times and survived. I don't know if she's just incredibly lucky or the assailants are just incredibly stupid.

[QUOTE=Radical Rebel;48513820]"Their friend" was stabbed 19 times and survived. I don't know if she's just incredibly lucky or the assailants are just incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE] Probably just stabbed in the ass 19 times

[QUOTE=Radical Rebel;48513820]"Their friend" was stabbed 19 times and survived. I don't know if she's just incredibly lucky or the assailants are just incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE] That poor kid is gonna need some serious fucking therapy, though. I think that's the most tragic part of the whole mess

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48513194]I secretly hope for them to get life in prison but I also have this optimistic dream of them getting put in a mental asylum then some massive scandal happening that might improve the conditions of psychiatry in the US.[/QUOTE] I blame money, pretty sure pharmaceuticals and other research/drug labs would stand to lose big from actually curing problems. Not to mention our understanding of the human brain is probably about as complete as our understanding of the universe itself.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;48513770]Maybe they shouldn't have, idk, murdered their friend over fucking slenderman?[/QUOTE] they were 12 years old at the time, do you honestly think they havent realized what they did was wrong? they need to be helped by professionals

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;48512428]Well they do say kids are impressionable. I honestly think their mental health is in question here. Rehabilitation may not be wholly effective at this point in time.[/QUOTE] It's not about mental health, it's about sheer stupidity and self-manufactured gullibility. In a day and age when you can look up pretty much any little thing you could possibly want to, there should be no room for people believing in bullshit conjured by some dude on SA.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] 100% agree, with some of the idiotic statements echoed in this thread you'd wonder why they'd have laws to begin with, as if punishment had no purpose.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531291]100% agree, with some of the idiotic statements echoed in this thread you'd wonder why we even have laws to begin with, as if punishment had no purpose.[/QUOTE] I think some young minds here are uncomfortable with the idea of being held accountable for your actions. While I don't agree with a system based on 100% punishment, lock the door and throw away the key I do believe it can be just for many crimes. There needs to be a balance of both punishment and rehabilitation. Some people act like you can have both at the same time. Hey you attempted to stab someone to death? You're gonna get some punishment, but also well help you figure out why stabbing people to death isn't good!

Yeah I agree, addressing the root cause of their problems is also important, but people thinking jails shouldn't exist and that all crimes are not accountable if you just liberal hard enough, just piss me off.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531330]Yeah I agree, addressing the root cause of their problems is also important, but people thinking jails shouldn't exist and that all crimes are not accountable if you just liberal hard enough, just piss me off.[/QUOTE] Right, also punishment in itself can be a strong deterrent from crime. For example, if I had a moral quandary about whether I steal something or not I would probably rationalize against it because the consequences are unfavorable (fines, jail time, etc.)

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512154]Hopefully they are tried as adults. If they get dumped in juvie they'll just come out at 18 and be the same.[/QUOTE] And throwing them into Juvie, and then prison for decades more is going to do anything but harden them and make them more dangerous?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48531783]And throwing them into Juvie, and then prison for decades more is going to do anything but harden them and make them more dangerous?[/QUOTE] Well, I don't see the reasoning there to be honest, people premeditatively ritualistically stabbing someone else 19 times for such a stupid reason, are objectively fucked up and need to be punished for a good while, removed from society. But I can understand the argument that additional cruelty is unnecessary, don't forget about necessary cruelty though. What kind of reasonable alternative could you propose to punish their behavior while also improving their mental health? How about just advocating for better mental health treatment in prisons.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531291]100% agree, with some of the idiotic statements echoed in this thread you'd wonder why they'd have laws to begin with, as if punishment had no purpose.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone said crimes should go unpunished that's ridiculous, nobody saying rehabilitation is a good thing thinks criminals should get away with a slap on the wrist.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48512154]Hopefully they are tried as adults. If they get dumped in juvie they'll just come out at 18 and be the same.[/QUOTE] Ah yes the outcome will be much better if they get out when they're 30 or 40! [editline]24th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531830]Well, I don't see the reasoning there to be honest, people premeditatively ritualistically stabbing someone else 19 times for such a stupid reason, are[B] objectively fucked up [/B]and need to be punished for a good while, removed from society.[/QUOTE] Stop using the word "objectively" just because it makes your argument sound better. Being 'objective' has a pretty specific definition, and I'm entirely convinced that no one making an internet comment about a murder case involving teenage girls can honestly claim to just being 'objective'. Especially when you qualify that with 'objectively fucked up'. [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531830] But I can understand the argument that additional cruelty is unnecessary, [B]don't forget about necessary cruelty though.[/B][/QUOTE] What the fuck? Seriously what are you thinking about when you're deciding that there's some kind of arbitrary amount of 'necessary cruelty' that someone should be subjected to? How do you even begin to approach that conclusion? [QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48531830][B]What kind of reasonable alternative could you propose to punish their behavior[/B] while also improving their mental health? How about just advocating for better mental health treatment in prisons.[/QUOTE] Why do you care if someone is punished for their wrongdoing if they receive treatment and realize why it was wrong, and never do it again? Do you think the only thing stopping people from doing these sorts of things, and I'm talking about this case in particular, is that they would have to spend some years in prison? I can understand punitive measures for crimes where the criminal was completely aware what they were doing was wrong, and just decided that the reward was worth risking getting caught, but like, how could you think this same model applies here? And by punitive I mean being incarcerated for a long time in a humane prison, more Norway, less USA.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;48532562]Ah yes the outcome will be much better if they get out when they're 30 or 40! [/QUOTE] You are suggesting that they can't be treated or helped? Why have them on the streets then?! With that lapse of logic you would prefer to see them in prison forever. [QUOTE=Kybalt;48532562]Stop using the word "objectively" just because it makes your argument sound better. Being 'objective' has a pretty specific definition, and I'm entirely convinced that no one making an internet comment about a murder case involving teenage girls can honestly claim to just being 'objective'. Especially when you qualify that with 'objectively fucked up'.[/QUOTE] I can't help it if my statements are objective, it's just a fact, it's not for you to decide. I point it out because it strikes a difference between your views and my views. I know you'd love to subjectively suggest that their being 13 y/o girls makes them immune to the law, but I do not believe in that nonsense, I believe in objective punishment for both sexes, and if the intent is proven, regardless of age. If these were 13 year old boys, or actual adults, you would have written them off as atrocities and we wouldn't even be having this conversation, that's how bullshit subjective your views are. [QUOTE=Kybalt;48532562]What the fuck? Seriously what are you thinking about when you're deciding that there's some kind of arbitrary amount of 'necessary cruelty' that someone should be subjected to? How do you even begin to approach that conclusion? [/QUOTE] That's what fucking laws are, "amounts of 'necessary cruelty' that someone should be subjected to" if they break the law. Do you seriously not understand how the justice system works? [QUOTE=Kybalt;48532562]Why do you care if someone is punished for their wrongdoing if they receive treatment and realize why it was wrong, and never do it again? Do you think the only thing stopping people from doing these sorts of things, and I'm talking about this case in particular, is that they would have to spend some years in prison? [/QUOTE] I care because I am locked into a society with them and I'd prefer not to have crazy impressionable stabbing psychopaths roaming the streets, potentially hurting other people and of course myself or my immediate friends and family members, that is the entire point. Without proper treatment and care for the problems they are still suffering from! You don't go to a summer camp for a couple of weeks and suddenly aren't a psychopath anymore, Christ. [QUOTE=Kybalt;48532562]I can understand punitive measures for crimes where the criminal was completely aware what they were doing was wrong, and just decided that the reward was worth risking getting caught, but like, how could you think this same model applies here? And by punitive I mean being incarcerated for a long time in a humane prison, more Norway, less USA. [/QUOTE] Are you retarded, you think these people are innocent of stabbing a person 19 times? "They plotted for months to lure their friend into the woods to stab her to death" and you don't think they were completely aware of what they were doing? I might argue they didn't realize it was stupid, but there's nothing to even suggest they had remorse for their actions or any evidence that they were mentally unstable when they committed their crimes, they stated that they were looking to achieve gain through their attempt at murder, they are horrible. Punishments like prison exist to teach people a lesson and to provide incentive for people to not commit horrible crimes like this.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48512351]fucking hell this ''REHABILITATION'' circlejerk is awful[/QUOTE] fucking hell this "AVENGE THE VICTIMS DEATH KILL THE CRAZIES" circlejerk is awful.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48533127]fucking hell this "AVENGE THE VICTIMS DEATH KILL THE CRAZIES" circlejerk is awful.[/QUOTE] What the hell are you on about, literally nobody has been advocating for the death penalty in this thread.

So this is the thread that breaks my lurk streak. Did you guys see the charity that was set up for Morgan? "Slenderchance", a friend of the family has been talking positively too! It's like everyone thinks this is just cute pre-teen shenanigans. Incredibly tasteless!

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48531373]Right, also punishment in itself can be a strong deterrent from crime. For example, if I had a moral quandary about whether I steal something or not I would probably rationalize against it because the consequences are unfavorable (fines, jail time, etc.)[/QUOTE] Lol simple punishment in this case literally solves nothing except putting two girls in juvie (Then jail when they turn 18) and then releasing them probably in their mid 20s. In other words you're going to put them in an inherently violent environment during some of the most impressionable years of their life. All this would do is create two repeat offenders which does literally nothing for the rest of us. Should they be punished? Absolutely. Should the punishment completely ruin their ability to function in society when they're eventually released? No it should not. Doing that solves nothing and serves only to make more problems for the rest of society later on.

Holy shit that website is disgusting. One of the propaganda pieces on there is[I] literally advocating the plot of A Beautiful Mind[/I] and comparing it to one of these girls stories. [QUOTE] [IMG]http://slenderchance.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/morgan-drawing.png[/IMG] Some are familiar with “A Beautiful Mind“, the famous Ron Howard film starring Russell Crowe, which depicts the life and work of John Forbes Nash Jr., who was afflicted with Schizophrenia. Recently Nash, who won the Nobel Prize in 1994 for Economics, died in a car crash along with his devoted wife Alicia Nash – the woman who provided Nash the support he needed throughout his lifelong mental illness. Sylvia Nasar, the couple’s biographer and author of “A Beautiful Mind”, managed to capture a strange truth which many people struggle with: madness and genius can, and often do, reside in the same person. Nash was perhaps one of the most brilliant Mathematicians of the twentieth century, whose game theory showed mathematically that by cooperating instead of competing, everyone involved can succeed. At the same time Nash was also struggling with his sanity, and was hospitalized on numerous occasions. Despite the battles that waged between his delusions and our reality, with the proper support, care and compassion Nash was able to not only live a productive life, but a successful one in which his groundbreaking work paved the way to a better world. I cannot help but reflect on the genius that may be locked in Morgan Geyser, and imprisoned in the cage of Schizophrenia. It was not until later in Nash’s life that he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, while in the Case of Morgan it has been detected very early, early enough to be classified as “childhood onset Schizophrenia”. Morgan is an exceptional student and an incredible artist – two signifiers of a gifted asset to society – while she is also afflicted with paranoid delusions, due to the organic brain disease she suffers unto. Historically we have seen this interesting concoction, time immemorial. We can look back through the rolodex of historical figures and see those who were able to manage their disease, in order to bring about productivity, and those that became victims to their disease, and brought about destruction. Yet it is never too late to offer the key ingredient of success: support and understanding! Nash had an incredible support structure in Alicia and his colleagues, and as a consequence was able to overcome and channel his madness into productive genius; in fact Nash was eventually able to function and prosper without medication (a fact omitted from the Ron Howard film). I also cannot help but see the parallel between Alicia Nash and Morgan Geyser‘s family. Morgan’s family is incredibly supportive and loving, and now armed with the diagnosis of Schizophrenia, much more capable of ensuring that Morgan’s genius manifests productively! Coupled with medical treatment it is quite possible that Morgan, like many of us in the world, can rise above her mental illness and become a highly productive member of society. Now as a society, we stand on the precipice of perhaps the most important topic of the twenty-first century: how to deal with the ever-present and far reaching ramifications of mental illness, not as an individual problem, but as the great hindrance of humankind. How can we, as a society, shift from a reactionary role into a proactive role, knowing that our prison system has become the receptacle for our mentally ill? Their behavior is criminal – a symptom – while often the problem itself is mental illness. To shift from a reactionary role (addressing the symptom), to a proactive role (addressing the problem), requires a grandiose shift in societal perception, and in turn behavior. [/QUOTE] This is just manipulation.

[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48533987]Holy shit that website is disgusting. One of the propaganda pieces on there is[I] literally advocating the plot of A Beautiful Mind[/I] and comparing it to one of these girls stories. This is just manipulation.[/QUOTE] There's no doubt to the fact that the girls need to be given treatment, whatever their sentence may be, but they're really trying to play it off as no big deal. It's so gross. There's a support page too, [url]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Morgan-Geyser/491606310971236[/url] (are links ok on FP?) I got my posting rights and comments removed after saying they shouldn't say "but" when talking about the victim, as it lessened the sentiment. Anything slightly pointing out they're not totally innocent angels gets deleted.