Japan population shrinks, ages - Polidicks

You know, I think it's best I snip this [highlight](User was banned for this post ("feeding the troll" - Orkel))[/highlight]

Talk about thread derailment.

Isn't Japan very xenophobic? I can see that becoming an issue if they ever outsource workers to relieve some of the japanese workers.

[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;44551710]KILL ALL GAYS[/QUOTE] What? Why would I ever want to kill the Gays and Feminists?

[QUOTE=Limed00d;44551743]Isn't Japan very xenophobic? I can see that becoming an issue if they ever outsource workers to relieve some of the japanese workers.[/QUOTE] Well mostly out of the cities. In cities you would mostly get strange looks.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;44551743]Isn't Japan very xenophobic?[/QUOTE] Actually yes there are Limed00d. [video=youtube;hzmgyFQNvvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/video] The shouting of "White pig Go home!" starts at 2:15.

perhaps japan needs to be a little bit more lax on their immigration policies? [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=varg666;44551827]Actually yes there are Limed00d. [video=youtube;hzmgyFQNvvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/video] The shouting of "White pig Go home!" starts at 2:15.[/QUOTE] great cherrypicking, lol. i could find videos like that for any country [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] there's no doubt that there might be a stigma attached to foreigners in japan but some people seriously like to overblow how big of a problem it is

Japan's racism problem is sorta like the UK's. It seems to be alright in the main parts of most of the cities, but shit can get bad in rural areas. And the racists tend to have no idea what they're shouting about, I've had someone tell me to "go back to your own country" for speaking [B]Welsh[/B] in the UK of all things, and a lot of the Japanese racists tend to have this weird assumption that all white people are Americans.

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We Americans can provide thousands upon thousands of ultra-virile men to score around the clock in Japan.

[QUOTE=Amez;44551954]We Americans can provide thousands upon thousands of ultra-virile men to score around the clock in Japan.[/QUOTE] Japanese women don't generally like muscleheads and gym rats though, they prefer the "skinny yet fit" look. Who can blame 'em?

These bans please the ban gods. But yeah about Japan, I have no problems helping them grow their population. I just wish I wanted kids

[QUOTE=Limed00d;44551743]Isn't Japan very xenophobic? I can see that becoming an issue if they ever outsource workers to relieve some of the japanese workers.[/QUOTE] Depends, in rural areas and with old people japan's a pretty xenophobic place but the attitude is slowly changing a bit, if you go around the big cities, from my personal experience, most Japanese folks won't mind.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;44551914]Japan's racism problem is sorta like the UK's. It seems to be alright in the main parts of most of the cities, but shit can get bad in rural areas. And the racists tend to have no idea what they're shouting about, I've had someone tell me to "go back to your own country" for speaking [B]Welsh[/B] in the UK of all things, and a lot of the Japanese racists tend to have this weird assumption that all white people are Americans.[/QUOTE] Pretty much every country hates the theoretical unemployed immigrant that they've seen in news articles.

[QUOTE=varg666;44551827]Actually yes there are Limed00d. [video=youtube;hzmgyFQNvvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/video] The shouting of "White pig Go home!" starts at 2:15.[/QUOTE] Even being nationalistic they're still adorable.

[QUOTE=MR2;44551998]Japanese women don't generally like muscleheads and gym rats though, they prefer the "skinny yet fit" look. Who can blame 'em?[/QUOTE] But I thought everyone loved the Zapper.

[QUOTE=mchapra;44552081]Depends, in rural areas and with old people japan's a pretty xenophobic place but the attitude is slowly changing a bit, if you go around the big cities, from my personal experience, most Japanese folks won't mind.[/QUOTE] It's weird. They like having westerners around but if your Chinese or Korean, get bent.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44552492]It's weird. They like having westerners around but if your Chinese or Korean, get bent.[/QUOTE] Considering the history between those two nations and Japan, It's not surprising.

Japan's going to need to rely on immigration for at least part of the not-too-distant future. And if you are someone who believes strongly in maintaining your nation's unique culture and traditions, the prospect of welcoming millions of immigrants into the country and integrating them for the sake of keeping the baby flow up presents some major angst and fear. The last time Japan really recoiled at threatening influences to its way of life, they shut down all the ports (except Dejima Island) and severed international relations for nearly 200 years. That only ended when Commodore Perry's black ships pulled up in the harbour and threatened to start shelling everything. That's not going to work this time. They're either going to need to fix the falling birth rate and get more 20-somethings marrying, fucking, and getting career jobs again, or there's going to be a painful cultural maturity process as Japan as a nation learns how to accomodate unfamiliar ideas and faces.

[QUOTE=varg666;44551827]Actually yes there are Limed00d. [video=youtube;hzmgyFQNvvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/video] The shouting of "White pig Go home!" starts at 2:15.[/QUOTE] Damn those white pigs who brought us all this stuff we use everyday

[QUOTE=mchapra;44553085]Considering the history between those two nations and Japan, It's not surprising.[/QUOTE] I'm not surprised either. I've been to South Korea and Japan, still have to make plans for China. Its definitely one of my most memorable world trips next to visiting my family's hometown of Bray in Northern Ireland.

This isn't because they're not having enough kids. Its because they won't accept immigrants.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;44553685]This isn't because they're not having enough kids. Its because they won't accept immigrants.[/QUOTE] It's both. The old way of life, where you got out of college, got a job at a company, and worked there for the rest of your life, and you and your employer would develop a reciprocal relationship where it practically becomes your second family with all of the support and time requirements it implies, is gone and shows no sign of returning anytime soon. Japanese couples used to be able to chart a trajectory far into their future. Now, many 20-somethings only have part-time jobs. The frequency at which people change employers is roughly similar to that of your average Western economy. I don't have any exact figures, but it resembles the West a lot more now than it did in the bubble. When Japan's economic bubble popped, the ripple effects extended further than was first apparent, and some things took a while to shift. When an economy is staggered hard by a bubble pop, jobs go out the window by the trainload, and the remaining positions become more hotly contested. Since the pop, the world has not slowed down at all in innovation and new industries, and Japan's job market demands have increased to meet them. Plus, English is now a big thing, so let's pile that on. Now you've got a school system that's breaking kids and causing them to suicide because there's too much pressure on them and they feel that they're a failure for not getting into the correct high school to have a good enough career. Oops. Education reforms have put in place, [I]after[/I] pretty much raising most of a generation raised to believe that underachievement is practically a crime against your family and the emergence of hikikomori as a national thing that the rest of the world is aware of. And even if you are naturally talented and focused enough to navigate your upbringing successfully and line yourself up for a career in a particular field, if not a single employer, the old model is still in ruins. And then you have the subset of men who made it through the education system mostly intact, the herbivore men, who reject the ideals of their parents and grandparents (i.e., the old career model, nuclear family, look after us in our old age) and embrace a lifestyle that doesn't carve their future in stone quite so much. The bubble popping set off a chain of bad factors; some of them just weren't as apparent at first as others. The falling birth rate has been observed, but I don't think anyone really saw herbivore men and predator women (which is a whole [I]other[/I] thing, let's not start up feminism again in this thread) coming nearly as far out. And theeeeeen we get to Japan's well-known lingering historical issues with xenophobia and difficulties with accepting immigration as a policy. An old college buddy of mine is the grandson of an Indian (from India) who immigrated to Osaka. He and his father were born on Japanese soil. They both speak fluent Japanese, in addition to Gujarati and a mingling of other subcontinent tongues, and my buddy speaks fluent English as well. Neither pops or gramps married a Japanese woman. Unless his status has changed recently, neither of them are Japanese citizens, as they are not of Japanese ethnic blood. You can't run a country forever on policies like that unless you've got 3-4 kids in many Japanese-ethnicity homes and more coming on an ongoing basis.

[QUOTE=Muhammad99;44551133]Yeah cause these Japanese Feminazi's only cared about money they take advantage of men. I am so glad I'm now a MGTOW. [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] It is weird yes, and like I said before "I can't say about Gentile because I don't know him tbh" Hey I'm new here so please take it easy.[/QUOTE] this is such a bad troll i can't help but laugh, were he not banned, i guess he could also add that saudi arabia is the greatest haven of feminism worldwide :v: for extra hilarity.

this is expected with bars that are poping up in japan to create the boyfriend experience, there's almost many other reasons that are to do with women in the workplace and more importantly both sexes now in the workplace creating an environment were meeting someone isn't really an option. but a lot of world is like this.. not just japan.

A bunch of electronic old men running the country. Dismissing the fact that future generations can and will take over.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44554017]-stuff-. Unless his status has changed recently, neither of them are Japanese citizens, as they are not of Japanese ethnic blood.[/QUOTE] How does this work? I thought to become a citizen of a country you have to have lived there for 5 years or something like that. Going by this if I decided to go live in Japan for the rest of my life I would never actually be a citizen of the country? (So no voting etc) Or were you trying to say I would need to marry a Japanese woman?

[QUOTE=Complifused;44554328]How does this work? I thought to become a citizen of a country you have to have lived there for 5 years or something like that. Going by this if I decided to go live in Japan for the rest of my life I would never actually be a citizen of the country? (So no voting etc) Or were you trying to say I would need to marry a Japanese woman?[/QUOTE] I don't want to make any definitive statements about the current state of the citizenship application process in Japan, because I'm far from an expert and I haven't researched it lately, but at least until pretty recently (last decade or so), obtaining Japanese citizenship was a bit of a bitch unless you were marrying a Japanese national and popping out halfu babies, or you were someone very valuable (for skills, education, etc.) and worth grabbing onto while you're asking so you don't go somewhere else. Marrying a national is generally a ticket to citizenship anywhere, because how are you supposed to construct a stable life together when there's always the small risk that you could be deported away from your own home and children and to your nation of birth origin for whatever the government deems bad enough (even if it's an error and gets overturned, your life still goes to shit overnight). And all the other drawbacks to holding permanent resident status, but not full citizenship. A different friend of mine had to go through a bit more bureaucratic BS than would be necessary to get his Japanese passport because he was born in Argentina, even though he's had two kids with his Japanese wife and one of them's not too far off from kindergarten. And the kids are learning Japanese primarily, with English secondary (Spanish is optional for later on). My college buddy is, AFAIK I know (we've fallen out of touch a bit as life does its thing), still living in Japan. As of the time that he was in dorms with me, he held permanent resident status in Japan, which means he can participate in the pension system (I think?) and pays taxes and generally has the same freedom to move about the country as anyone else, but he did not hold [I]citizenship[/I], which means he's unable to vote and so on. Same with his father. Dad married a nice Indian girl, and because he married within his own kind, his kids weren't automatically citizens with full voting rights and so on. Now keep in mind this is a college kid who told me about all of this, not necessarily the most authoritative source on Japanese domestic citizenship policy, but he was also doing this while studying in Canada, so he would've had to at least deal with it for the purposes of securing travel documents and a student visa here and everything. [editline]15th April 2014[/editline] I'd also like to note that this thread alerted me to the fact that [URL="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/landed_immigrant"]landed immigrant status[/URL] is a uniquely Canadian term and is also outdated for official use. I was totally not aware of this. :v: TL;DR version: There is a subtle but sometimes important distinction between citizenship and permanent residency. It's perfectly possible to live a happy and fulfilling life in a nation you've emigrated to while retaining your original citizenship and merely living as a permanent resident. You pay your taxes, you get a pension (at least in Canada) if such a system exists and you contributed to it, you can own property and start your own business, and all. But you can't vote, some paperwork's more annoying, and you can't hold some political offices and so on. For some people, that's really important, for others, it's merely part and parcel with living on their chosen patch of Earth.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;44550584]This must be the most retarded channel I've ever seen lmfao Does he seriously thinks feminists are a bunch of women wanting to subdue men?![/QUOTE]Some of them are (see: tumblr). But assuming all are is a gross generalization.

[QUOTE=Complifused;44554328]How does this work? I thought to become a citizen of a country you have to have lived there for 5 years or something like that. Going by this if I decided to go live in Japan for the rest of my life I would never actually be a citizen of the country? (So no voting etc) Or were you trying to say I would need to marry a Japanese woman?[/QUOTE] Japanese citizenship to a non-Japanese resident must be requested and granted by an act of their Parliament. If you wanted to live in Japan for the rest of your life you would need to have a contract with a company that would allow you to get consecutive working visas or marry a Japanese woman (and stay married until you're a permanent resident). You can not get Japanese citizenship, only permanent residency. Even then if you are on a spousal visa you must renew your visa ever 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, and 10 years and then after 10 years you can apply for permanent residency. If you get divorced from your wife and do not have permanent residency you will have to vacate the country unless you acquire a working visa.