Texas Gov. Perry issues proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas - Polidicks

anyways its irrelevant. This is about values and not laws, and separation of church and state is a founding value of the USA and everybody knows that. its one of the first things we learn about this country

[QUOTE=ken188;29360932]Establishment is always a noun.[/QUOTE] Except when it's a pronoun.

[QUOTE=Jiyoon;29360935]anyways its irrelevant. This is about values and not laws, and separation of church and state is a founding value of the USA and everybody knows that. its one of the first things we learn about this country[/QUOTE] The founding fathers also intended for people to be able to own slaves. You may be right but intentions are moot if it's not backed by laws.

[QUOTE=ken188;29360586]"Congress shall make no law respecting an [B]establishment [/B]of religion" Good job reading.[/QUOTE] Is randomly bolding different words some else posted a cutting-edge form or argument, or did you just suffer a massive concussion?

[QUOTE=ken188;29360858]Learn to Lemon Test bros.[/QUOTE] I fail to see how this has a "secular legislative purpose" and if you think this proclamation doesn't hint at religion then you'd be kidding yourself. [QUOTE=Zeke129;29360877]While a government official proclaiming a "day of prayer" is overstepping his bounds I don't see why people are getting upset If he passed a law saying you [i]have[/i] to pray then by all means, but that isn't the case[/QUOTE] I'm only upset when people say separation of church and state isn't a part of the constitution.

[QUOTE=ken188;29360527]Treaty of Tripoli isn't anything that has precedence over Texas making this law. You're trolling right?[/QUOTE] This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and[B] all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land[/B]; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

[QUOTE=ken188;29360858]Learn to Lemon Test bros. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline][/QUOTE] First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion." If this was a law it would seem to at least fail the first part, as it has no secular purpose whatsoever. But this is a Proclomation, and not a law, so it doesn't matter.

What if God doesn't care? According to them he must've caused the drought in the first place.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;29360609]Instead of giving people false hope, why doesn't he actually do something about the drought?[/QUOTE] Because it gives people hope. Like he fucking said. Also, there's not much of anything he can really do within his jurisdiction.

[QUOTE=jeimizu;29361114]First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; finally, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion." If this was a law it would seem to at least fail the first part, as it has no secular purpose whatsoever. [/QUOTE] The secular purpose is to make it rain. Dumb? Yes, praying won't do shit. But it's a secular purpose. [quote]But this is a Proclomation, and not a law, so it doesn't matter.[/quote] Previous Supreme Court rulings have precedence in the making of laws and in new court cases. Almost all Supreme Court cases regarding the establishment clause since have used the Lemon Test.

Wow ken you're an idiot, it's says it right there in the Constitution and you're denying it? Wow.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;29361099]This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and[B] all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land[/B]; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.[/QUOTE] The Treaty of Tripoli was a peace treaty with a bunch of pirates so they stop kidnapping our sailors. The clause that you guys are speaking about simply says that US is not founded on Christianity so it won't fight with Tripoli over religion, but it does nothing to prohibit Texas from passing this law. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AWarGuy;29361502]Wow ken you're an idiot, it's says it right there in the Constitution and you're denying it? Wow.[/QUOTE] No one has yet to show me where it says they cannot do this.

[QUOTE=ken188;29361599]The Treaty of Tripoli was a peace treaty with a bunch of pirates so they stop kidnapping our sailors. The clause that you guys are speaking about simply says that US is not founded on Christianity so it won't fight with Tripoli over religion, but it does nothing to prohibit Texas from passing this law. [editline]22nd April 2011[/editline] No one has yet to show me where it says they cannot do this.[/QUOTE] I don't believe the argument is that they can't, just that they shouldn't. However, if it had anything like "Everyone must pray this day" type stuff, then yes, it would be against the secularity of the nation.

Only two counties in Texas are free of wildfires, the rest of Texas is on fire or has had a fire recently.

Hey Texas! Rather than pray for some hocus pocus miracle why don't ya do something use full like attempt to seed clouds or channel water from the Mississippi elsewhere

[QUOTE=ken188;29361599]The Treaty of Tripoli was a peace treaty with a bunch of pirates so they stop kidnapping our sailors. The clause that you guys are speaking about simply says that US is not founded on Christianity so it won't fight with Tripoli over religion, but it does nothing to prohibit Texas from passing this law.[/QUOTE] It's irrelevant why the treaty was written. The point is that the constitution says that all treaties are included in the supreme law of the land, and as such it shows that the US is not a Christian nation.

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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;29361717]Hey Texas! Rather than pray for some hocus pocus miracle why don't ya do something use full like attempt to seed clouds or channel water from the Mississippi elsewhere[/QUOTE] or something practical like a rain dance

[QUOTE=ken188;29361599]The Treaty of Tripoli was a peace treaty with a bunch of pirates so they stop kidnapping our sailors. The clause that you guys are speaking about simply says that US is not founded on Christianity so it won't fight with Tripoli over religion,[B] but it does nothing to prohibit Texas from passing this law.[/B][/QUOTE] No law is being passed. A governor's proclomation is not legislation, so it's irrelevant.

Currently praying atm

[QUOTE=Craptasket;29362908]Currently praying atm[/QUOTE] no you'r eposting

Pray with me Zeke129

No, stop praying, look what you've done. [IMG]http://www.foxnews.com/images/297981/2_22_062907_texas_water.jpg[/IMG] I hadn't even finished building an Ark yet.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;29360353] so worthless...[/QUOTE] Also relatively harmless.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;29362936]Pray with me Zeke129[/QUOTE] [I]No you dumb homo tool, your [U][B]PRAYING WRONG[/B][/U][/I] [editline]23rd April 2011[/editline] god

[QUOTE=Nachoman17;29360486]Read article 11 bro [img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/TreatyofTripoli.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] So because the Treaty of Tripoli says that the U.S. is not founded on the Christian religion, a governor cannot issue a proclamation on the basis of religion? Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli is there to proclaim that the U.S. will not wage war on Tripoli on a basis of religious affiliation. I [i]really[/i] don't see how the Treaty of Tripoli has [i]any[/i] bearing on this proclamation from Governor Perry.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;29362936]Pray with me Zeke129[/QUOTE] i pray to the go dcraptasket to make rain in texas happen and to not make it not happ en

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29363201]i pray to the go dcraptasket to make rain in texas happen and to not make it not happ en[/QUOTE] shut thef uck up you radicla

[QUOTE=huntskikbut;29363138]So because the Treaty of Tripoli says that the U.S. is not founded on the Christian religion, a governor cannot issue a proclamation on the basis of religion? Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli is there to proclaim that the U.S. will not wage war on Tripoli on a basis of religious affiliation. I [i]really[/i] don't see how the Treaty of Tripoli has [i]any[/i] bearing on this proclamation from Governor Perry.[/QUOTE] You really need to read the thread, this whole thing is about ken saying that there's no such thing as seperation of church and state in the constitution.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;29360353]We're in a really bad drought right now, so obviously this is the best path our legislators could have possibly taken [url]http://governor.state.tx.us/news/proclamation/16038/[/url] so worthless...[/QUOTE] And what do you propose? Draining the Gulf of Mexico, loading water onto planes, and using them to tug huge sprinklers over the state?