Why no dead bin Laden photos? After being shot dead, "over 100 bullets" were fired into him, accordi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;44236117]How do you know? How can you be so absolutely sure?[/QUOTE] How do you know you're not a robot who was activated 5 minutes ago with fake memories?

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;44234984]Implying war crimes apply to hegemons.[/QUOTE] "However, what happened on the Bin Laden raid is beyond excessive." Do you know what I find 'beyond excessive'? Leading a group that willingly killed 2,996 innocent Americans.

[QUOTE=bravehat;44236333]Right, let's just say for a second, he wasn't riddled full of rounds and dropped in the ocean, what happened?[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I think happened. Why are we arguing? [QUOTE=Mingebox;44236363]How do you know you're not a robot who was activated 5 minutes ago with fake memories?[/QUOTE] Because that's not reasonably possible.

So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) while drawing as little attention to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? Forgive me if I don't believe this actually occurred.

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;44236390]Thats exactly what I think happened. Why are we arguing?[/QUOTE] Because it sounded like you were disagreeing with that sequence of events.

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;44236390] Because that's not reasonably possible.[/QUOTE] Obviously you would have been programmed to think that.

[QUOTE=bravehat;44236402]Because it sounded like you were disagreeing with that sequence of events.[/QUOTE] I think that's what happened, but I don't know enough specifically about what happened to say "That's it. There's nothing more to it than that." That's a little arrogant.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44236395]So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) while drawing as little attention to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? Forgive me if I don't believe this actually occurred.[/QUOTE] i'm surprised one of their helicopters crashed and nobody inside the compound noticed

Maybe my memory is a little faded, but when the whole ordeal went down, I had heard Osama had been killed by one bullet, or so. I heard they stormed the house in the middle of the night, during a black operation. Without notice they were able to enter the compound and proceed to neutralize the targets inside. Osama Bin Laden, who was upstairs in a room with several others, became aware of the commotion. As the seals ascended the stairs, he reportedly popped his head around the corner, where one of the riflemen managed to nail him with a round or two. Osama stumbled back and the Seals were able to storm the remainder of the room and quiet any resistance. Obama then apparently ordered them to wrap and dispose of the body, having any and all photographic evidence confined or destroyed after it had been confirmed. Now they're saying he was riddled with 100's of bullets. Even if it was post-mortem, after he had been killed. This shows a blatant disregard for moral conduct and restraint on the behalf of the U.S. "most trained and skilled soldiers" a'la [u]Seal Team Six[/u]. So in my eyes, it either shows a fishy scenario that was handled differently and masked over with what we got, or how unsettled and unprofessional the U.S. military has become in its' execution. [sp] To be honest, I think both are true.[/sp]

[QUOTE=GunFox;44236395]So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) while drawing as little attention to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? [/QUOTE] Yeah I don't believe this source, SOF operators are professional, wasting ammo is not professional. They aren't a bunch of 19 year old Marines.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44236395]So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) while drawing as little attention to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? Forgive me if I don't believe this actually occurred.[/QUOTE] I agree with this, I mean; yeah, they may have lit Bin Laden up; but to claim that they spent precious time fucking about and unloading entire mags into his body just sounds bizarre. That sounds like the last thing Spec Ops Operators would do; especially, as you said having a downed helicopter in enemy territory and not entirely certain that they would be leaving the same way they came in. What if the other helo had to bugout? What if it were shot down? The last thing I'd imagine is that these highly trained individuals would put themselves at risk of having no ammunition in the event they had to take off and evade on foot.

[QUOTE=Keys;44236596]Maybe my memory is a little faded, but when the whole ordeal went down, I had heard Osama had been killed by one bullet, or so. I heard they stormed the house in the middle of the night, during a black operation. Without notice they were able to enter the compound and proceed to neutralize the targets inside. Osama Bin Laden, who was upstairs in a room with several others, became aware of the commotion. As the seals ascended the stairs, he reportedly popped his head around the corner, where one of the riflemen managed to nail him with a round or two. Osama stumbled back and the Seals were able to storm the remainder of the room and quiet any resistance. Obama then apparently ordered them to wrap and dispose of the body, having any and all photographic evidence confined or destroyed after it had been confirmed. Now they're saying he was riddled with 100's of bullets. Even if it was post-mortem, after he had been killed. This shows a blatant disregard for moral conduct and restraint on the behalf of the U.S. "most trained and skilled soldiers" a'la [u]Seal Team Six[/u]. So in my eyes, it either shows a fishy scenario that was handled differently and masked over with what we got, or how unsettled and unprofessional the U.S. military has become in its' execution. [sp] To be honest, I think both are true.[/sp][/QUOTE] Alternatively, the source is drawing convoluted conclusions, and the photos were simply not released because it would have further enraged al-Qaeda militants.

It'll all be declassified eventually and that'll be that.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44236395]So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) while drawing as little attention to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? Forgive me if I don't believe this actually occurred.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you realize how single-minded the US had been about killing Bin Laden. Every single member of that team had spent years fighting Al-Qaeda and every member of the team knew people killed by Al-Qaeda and by extension UBL. Yeah, I can believe that they'd risk a few additional seconds to get some vengeance on the modern personification of evil. I'd be more surprised if they didn't.

[QUOTE=GunFox;44236395]So a group of professionals, deep inside hostile territory, down one crashed helicopter, who now have an extremely limited time frame to steal whatever the fuck they can (including the corpse, which would likely be hamburger at that point) [B]while drawing as little attention[/B] to themselves at possible and destroying the disabled helicopter, decided to stand there and spend the time and limited ammunition in their possession to shoot a corpse? Forgive me if I don't believe this actually occurred.[/QUOTE] Dude by the time they landed people already knew something was going down. They had CIA act like cops to keep people away and keep the real cops away, by the time the real cops order went up through chain of command it had bought them enough time to get out. It also only takes like 6 seconds to magdump in full auto. I'm also sure they they had multiple guys doing multiple things, like two guys tossing incendiaries/c-4 on the chopper, others securing the compound and the rest were shooting bin laden. They also had 40 marines in chinooks 10 minutes out in case things got ugly. At least thats what we know of.

what i don't understand is instead of immediately executing Bin Laden on the spot, why didn't they at least bring them in for interrogation and then covertly execute him in some way, the US has plenty of black sites throughout the globe, did Bin Laden have any intelligence value at all? part of me thinks that they should have put him on trial but the other part of me knows that the United States government "does not negotiate with terrorists", it would have easily been a good gathering for martyrs and protests and that they would have had to abide by international law. anyways its all been done with now obviously but these are just my thoughts

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;44236786]what i don't understand is instead of immediately executing Bin Laden on the spot, why didn't they at least bring them in for interrogation and then covertly execute him in some way, the US has plenty of black sites throughout the globe, did Bin Laden have any intelligence value at all? part of me thinks that they should have put him on trial but the other part of me knows that the United States government "does not negotiate with terrorists", it would have easily been a good gathering for martyrs and protests and that they would have had to abide by international law. anyways its all been done with now obviously but these are just my thoughts[/QUOTE] Some reports say that bin Laden was holding a woman in a choke hold at gun point, and he was shot because of this.

All the reports said that he had his aks74u with him and was holding it. Better to shoot him before he shoots.

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;44234969]I know I'm gonna sound like a "911 was an inside job maaaaan Obama is really an alien doooood" type crazy conspiracy theorist but: This is the exact reason why I'm still sort of suspicious about this whole thing. It doesn't make any sense, the facts dont really stack up. The operators would have known to show restraint...[/QUOTE] Yeah the most vile motherfucker of the last decade and you're faced with the task of killing him you're gonna hold back righto

[QUOTE=bravehat;44236333]Right, let's just say for a second, he wasn't riddled full of rounds and dropped in the ocean, what happened?[/QUOTE] They're implanting Hitler's brain into his body

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;44236631]I agree with this, I mean; yeah, they may have lit Bin Laden up; but to claim that they spent precious time fucking about and unloading entire mags into his body just sounds bizarre. That sounds like the last thing Spec Ops Operators would do; especially, as you said having a downed helicopter in enemy territory and not entirely certain that they would be leaving the same way they came in. What if the other helo had to bugout? What if it were shot down? The last thing I'd imagine is that these highly trained individuals would put themselves at risk of having no ammunition in the event they had to take off and evade on foot.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna be honest, it takes you maybe 5-10 seconds at most to dump a full mag if you've got the intent to.

Extremely unprofessional if true. Mutilation of corpses is war crime iirc.

they turned him into meatloaf [IMG]http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607994346427123585&pid=15.1[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;44236509]i'm surprised one of their helicopters crashed and nobody inside the compound noticed[/QUOTE] you don't understand, it's because the helicopters were modified to be stealthy

[QUOTE=Keys;44236596]Now they're saying he was riddled with 100's of bullets. Even if it was post-mortem, after he had been killed. This shows a blatant disregard for moral conduct and restraint on the behalf of the U.S. "most trained and skilled soldiers" a'la [u]Seal Team Six[/u].[/QUOTE] A hundred bullets isn't all that much considering there was quite a number of people in that group storming the house and I doubt they did that with a pair of handguns so their weapons were very likely to have magazines with a capacity of 20+ rounds. Considering it's already hard to shoot [I]once[/I] with a semiautomatic weapon I would assume shooting a wanted terrorist with automatic weapons in a cramped house with a bunch of other people working in coordination with you would make it pretty hard to shoot once. Like, let's assume they somehow shot "professionally". Osama would have still been shot at the very least a dozen times. You don't control how many shots you fire in situations like this.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;44235052]Pretty much. You'd think highly trained special ops soldiers would be able to set aside their anger and act more professionally while on mission.[/QUOTE] No. Operators are not some processional, business suit wearing blokes. They are the literal embodyment of anger and hatred, built from the ground up to be the perfect killing machines. They thrive off being pissed, and in the heat of the moment, they are going to fuck shit up, if there is no more shit to fuck up, they'll find something to fuck up. [editline]14th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;44237694]A hundred bullets isn't all that much considering there was quite a number of people in that group storming the house and I doubt they did that with a pair of handguns so their weapons were very likely to have magazines with a capacity of 20+ rounds. Considering it's already hard to shoot [I]once[/I] with a semiautomatic weapon I would assume shooting a wanted terrorist with automatic weapons in a cramped house with a bunch of other people working in coordination with you would make it pretty hard to shoot once. Like, let's assume they somehow shot "professionally". Osama would have still been shot at the very least a dozen times. You don't control how many shots you fire in situations like this.[/QUOTE] Depending on how many guys fired, it would only take three men emptying an entire mag into the guy for it to reach 90 rounds, assuming they all hit and had full mags. [editline]14th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44237278]Extremely unprofessional if true. Mutilation of corpses is war crime iirc.[/QUOTE] You honestly think they care? Special forces commit more war crimes than the rest of NATO combined, and they always get away with it.

I would think that Special Forces personell were a little smarter than wasting ammo on a dead man. But your guess that SF personell are the equivalent of pissed of Space Marines is just as good as mine.

[QUOTE=sYnced;44237456]they turned him into meatloaf [IMG]http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607994346427123585&pid=15.1[/IMG][/QUOTE] Gross. Meatloaf.

[QUOTE=draugur;44237764]You honestly think they care? Special forces commit more war crimes than the rest of NATO combined, and they always get away with it.[/QUOTE] Should we resign ourselves to this fact?

[QUOTE=bravehat;44234920]Maybe they don't release pictures of a dead Bin Laden because they dont want to give any radical dickholes any more reason to rally together? Giving them pictures of dead Bin Laden just gives them something central to rally around and plan their happy martyr annual picnic to whatever country they want to try and jab next. Although really, who even cares any more, he's dead and really that's the end of it, would it be any different if they slit his throat, shot him to pieces, dropped a 500 pound bomb on his face or even dropped a fucking piano on him.[/QUOTE] But openly announcing that they killed Osama doesn't make radical groups rally together? What kind of logic is that? I don't believe the photos would have changed anything about it in any case. As for the gore, I think the internet has worse stuff to offer. Perhaps it was made to cover up the supposed excessive shooting, but even then, I have to agree with Gunfox that that seems highly unlikely coming from trained SEAL team members. Additionally, why would they fear releasing pictures of a mutilated Osama because of a possible crime, when NOT releasing the pictures raises suspicions about the entire deal being fake? I believe the latter to be much worse for the government if they really did kill him.