Why no dead bin Laden photos? After being shot dead, "over 100 bullets" were fired into him, accordi
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;44238292]But openly announcing that they killed Osama doesn't make radical groups rally together? What kind of logic is that?
I don't believe the photos would have changed anything about it in any case. As for the gore, I think the internet has worse stuff to offer. Perhaps it was made to cover up the supposed excessive shooting, but even then, I have to agree with Gunfox that that seems highly unlikely coming from trained SEAL team members.
Additionally, why would they fear releasing pictures of a mutilated Osama because of a possible crime, when NOT releasing the pictures raises suspicions about the entire deal being fake? I believe the latter to be much worse for the government if they really did kill him.[/QUOTE]
He should have gotten a trial.
[QUOTE]what i don't understand is instead of immediately executing Bin Laden on the spot, why didn't they at least bring them in for interrogation and then covertly execute him in some way, the US has plenty of black sites throughout the globe, did Bin Laden have any intelligence value at all?
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Are you kidding me? Did you know how many shit did they got from the compound? I imagine they got more info in 1 hour than what they managed to recollect from SIGINT and HUMINT in 10 years.
The guy can't possibly remember all the names, places, cells and plans that everyone in his organization laid out in those 10 years.
[QUOTE]he reportedly popped his head around the corner, where one of the riflemen managed to nail him with a round or two. Osama stumbled back and the Seals were able to storm the remainder of the room and quiet any resistance. [/QUOTE]
That is the way it is described in No Easy Day.
I'm totally fine with these guys dumping all what they wanted into Osama's body. Maybe one of them had a relative dead in 9/11, totally logic for him to drain away anger by firing a bullet at the asshole. For I don't give a shit. If there is a law, well, sed lex dura lex, but being Osama, I wouldn't really care.
[QUOTE]how unsettled and unprofessional the U.S. military has become in its' execution. [/QUOTE]
Professional way of dealing with a war is just....a contradictory term.
There has never been a professional way of dealing with war. In fact, I would rather war stay the way it is today than how it was decades ago, or centuries ago.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44238247]Should we resign ourselves to this fact?[/QUOTE]
I never said we should be okay with it. Only that you stating that they are committing war crimes isn't anything new. It's akin to anyone saying that Russia's government is corrupt.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44238590]Are you kidding me? Did you know how many shit did they got from the compound? I imagine they got more info in 1 hour than what they managed to recollect from SIGINT and HUMINT in 10 years.
The guy can't possibly remember all the names, places, cells and plans that everyone in his organization laid out in those 10 years.[/QUOTE]
still I think passing him through the system would mean a lot to some officials in the government, even just for purposes of revenge to torture him, I'd imagine they'd want to wring him further
Maybe they did shoot him 100 times. Who knows, or really cares.
One of the British SAS shot up one of those guys in the Iranian Embassy 70 something times, and when they asked him why he shot him so many times, he said "Because I ran out of bullets"
To be fair that guy had a grenade, but still.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44234936]Who gives a shit, really[/QUOTE]
This. It has been almost 3 years(holy shit) and people still talk about the death of Bin Laden? Come on...
[QUOTE=counterpo0;44237183]All the reports said that he had his aks74u with him and was holding it. Better to shoot him before he shoots.[/QUOTE]
[I]No Easy Day[/I] said that they only found guns after they killed him, and they were unloaded.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;44236666]Alternatively, the source is drawing convoluted conclusions, and the photos were simply not released because it would have further enraged al-Qaeda militants.[/QUOTE]
I didn't deny that. As a simple dutch drawing of Mohammed pissed off a bunch of them. (Though I also believe that whole stint was a bit over-played by global media outlets. Muslims were the big enemy in the world, so obviously they'd jump at the outcry just to show how 'crazy' the people in the region were. I mean FFS, people have sent death threats over teaching Evolution in school here in the US.)
But in the same, when has the United States Government, EVER really given two shits to the feelings of their enemies? And what about the soldiers? With a dozen men running into combat with camera phones, you'd think one of them would want to snap a photo and keep the evidence of their 'great doings'. I mean, they killed Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted man of the time.
So they childishly littered his body with 100's of rounds of ammunition, but they weren't at all interested in capturing the scene? Doubtful. If you've ever spent time with a group of Seals/Marines, you know they are proud of their work and love to show it off.
It just doesn't add up, is all i'm saying. But I can also say that about 60% of everything the Government does :v:
[QUOTE=Apache249;44239464][I]No Easy Day[/I] said that they only found guns after they killed him, and they were unloaded.[/QUOTE]
Eh so many sources with different outputs, it doesn't matter. Whats done is done, let me buy whoever filled him with the most holes a round of beer.
I get that this is news, but at the same time I'm positive everything was dealt with within a few months after the mission. It must have been decided the Seals wouldn't be penalized for their actions, at least with prison. Perhaps they were discharged or something like that, but I have this feeling that it was seen that what they accomplished outweighed their trigger happiness, and thus they were cleared of wrong doing.
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Although if they were good enough to complete a mission like that, they are valuable enough to be used for future missions. Hell, maybe they were just given some sensitivity training for corpses.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;44239293]This. It has been almost 3 years(holy shit) and people still talk about the death of Bin Laden? Come on...[/QUOTE]
It has been 13 years since that one plane incident and people still believe in crazy conspiracy theories.
[QUOTE=Keys;44239584]I didn't deny that. As a simple dutch drawing of Mohammed pissed off a bunch of them. (Though I also believe that whole stint was a bit over-played by global media outlets. Muslims were the big enemy in the world, so obviously they'd jump at the outcry just to show how 'crazy' the people in the region were. I mean FFS, people have sent death threats over teaching Evolution in school here in the US.)
But in the same, when has the United States Government, EVER really given two shits to the feelings of their enemies? And what about the soldiers? With a dozen men running into combat with camera phones, you'd think one of them would want to snap a photo and keep the evidence of their 'great doings'. I mean, they killed Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted man of the time.
So they childishly littered his body with 100's of rounds of ammunition, but they weren't at all interested in capturing the scene? Doubtful. If you've ever spent time with a group of Seals/Marines, you know they are proud of their work and love to show it off.
It just doesn't add up, is all i'm saying. But I can also say that about 60% of everything the Government does :v:[/QUOTE]
Shooting someone takes a blink of an eye
Whipping out your phone and taking photos takes significantly longer, and they were in a situation where if they didn't haul ass they were dead. There's a difference between a selfie with a corpse after a big firefight in some town you've got control of now and being smack dab in the heart of Usama fucking Bin Laden's private compound. They've got plenty of mental pictures to be proud of, no need for a physical one.
Besides, I can guarantee without a doubt that they were checked during debriefing for phone pictures and shit like that.
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;44238292]But openly announcing that they killed Osama doesn't make radical groups rally together? What kind of logic is that?
I don't believe the photos would have changed anything about it in any case. As for the gore, I think the internet has worse stuff to offer. Perhaps it was made to cover up the supposed excessive shooting, but even then, I have to agree with Gunfox that that seems highly unlikely coming from trained SEAL team members.
Additionally, why would they fear releasing pictures of a mutilated Osama because of a possible crime, when NOT releasing the pictures raises suspicions about the entire deal being fake? I believe the latter to be much worse for the government if they really did kill him.[/QUOTE]
The only people who suspect it's fake are people who have no understanding of the military and try and think that these Seals were some kind of hardcore professional hit squad that I played as in my vidya games.
These guys are literally the meatiest of the meatheads, bred to kill and feel nothing when they do it. They're literally the best we have to offer and god damn do they do one hell of an excellent job.
I'm continuously annoyed by the arm chair generals and quarterbacks with all of their hind sight. Until you kill people for a living and understand what it's like, then your sense of entitlement to an opinion should be rather low. I realize the hypocritical nature of my statement, not having experienced warfare for myself, but it's war. If soldiers all had to value all human life the same way you all do, they'd all go insane, kill themselves, or desert. It's just not possible for the human psyche to be in full, honest appreciation of the "professional conduct" of killing people. Soldiers aren't all psychotic serial killers that get off from killing. To do it you've got to be conditioned to the point where there is no question as to whether or not you hate your enemy to the fullest extent, otherwise you go nuts because you're a normal person with normal morals. Prosecuting our own for doing their job is sickening and the pinnacle of hypocrisy. Obviously there are certain points where things should be done about war crimes, but it's so ridiculously unfair to ask someone to kill for a living and then hold them to the exact moral standards as an office worker. /rant
Several people seem to believe our soldiers act exactly how they're portrayed in CoD
I am sure if he was being framed dead and he was actually alive he would appear on the screen telling us.
This is the first I've heard of this 100+ rounds shot into him. Every report since the day of the mission until now has said he was shot twice in the face.
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