Microsoft not ripping of U.K consumers; upgrade edition of Windows 8 will cost just £24.99 in the U - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37468712]But it means we have to make a short cut for every program.[/QUOTE] Not really, if you go into the start menu you generally know what you're looking for. Just press Windows key --> Type a bit of the program --> hit enter. Takes like 2 seconds.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;37468643]It is a change for the better, its faster to use than the old start menu.[/QUOTE] But it takes up my fucking screen, gets in the way and[B] I DO NOT LIKE IT.[/B] [U][B]UNDERSTOOD?[/B][/U] It's not faster, I have used it. For fuck sake. Stop trying to make me like it. [QUOTE=Catdaemon;37468649][b]fuckloads[/b] [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] yeah a giant full screen mobile phone UI that works perfectly on a desktop and makes good use of available space, not to mention being incredibly useful for those of us who use computers from far away sometimes also, vista introduced a ton of UI changes which are.. still there in 7 but are apparently fine now?[/QUOTE]Yeah it makes good use of space by blocking my view of windows running in the background, while showing gigantic unscalable boxes. [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PyroCF;37468763]Not really, if you go into the start menu you generally know what you're looking for. Just press Windows key --> Type a bit of the program --> hit enter. Takes like 2 seconds.[/QUOTE] I can do that in Windows 7 for fuck sake and it doesn't block my desktop.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37468803]But it takes up my fucking screen, gets in the way and[B] I DO NOT LIKE IT.[/B] [U][B]UNDERSTOOD?[/B][/U] It's not faster, I have used it. For fuck sake. Stop trying to make me like it. Yeah it makes good use of space by blocking my view of windows running in the background, while showing gigantic unscalable boxes.[/QUOTE] It is actually significantly faster. I can now type win+te+enter and tf2 will open before the opening animation has finished. With vista/7, you'd have to wait for it to do its searching thing (which it now does only when you invoke it). What are you doing, pray tell, that requires you look at it while you use your start menu? Why would you have the start menu (which is explicitly for opening new applications) open when you're in the middle of doing something with another application? None of your arguments consist of anything more than 'I don't like it because it's different'.

[QUOTE=Catdaemon;37468752]why does nobody get this you know when you click start that little thing that pops up and you can click stuff or type stuff well now it takes up the whole screen, so you can click or type even more stuff!!![/QUOTE] I get the same amount of results, they just take up the entire screen with the massive icons. I get that you like it. But I fucking don't

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37468872]I get the same amount of results, they just take up the entire screen with the massive icons. I get that you like it. But I fucking don't[/QUOTE] I don't really like it. I'm indifferent. At first I was 'whoa this is shit' but then I actually used it for a while. The listing for search results is significantly smaller than the front page stuff - you can easily fit way more of the new style results in the available space than were available in 7. This suggests that you have not actually used it.

How does metro work with multiple monitors?

[QUOTE=Catdaemon;37468840]It is actually significantly faster. I can now type win+te+enter and tf2 will open before the opening animation has finished. With vista/7, you'd have to wait for it to do its searching thing (which it now does only when you invoke it). What are you doing, pray tell, that requires you look at it while you use your start menu? Why would you have the start menu (which is explicitly for opening new applications) open when you're in the middle of doing something with another application? None of your arguments consist of anything more than 'I don't like it because it's different'.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the world of bandwagon opinions, where people don't try anything and just agree with the rumors.

I think my comment got a lot of dumbs because I'm still on winXP despite the fact I'm upgrading to a new build on the 22nd with win7, I actually would prefer windows XP over windows 8, and that's saying something

You know your company is bad when it makes the news by not ripping off its consumers.

[QUOTE=Catdaemon;37468840]It is actually significantly faster. I can now type win+te+enter and tf2 will open before the opening animation has finished. With vista/7, you'd have to wait for it to do its searching thing (which it now does only when you invoke it). What are you doing, pray tell, that requires you look at it while you use your start menu? Why would you have the start menu (which is explicitly for opening new applications) open when you're in the middle of doing something with another application? None of your arguments consist of anything more than 'I don't like it because it's different'.[/QUOTE] Try having 5 windows open then having a UI designed for idiots jump in front of your face. The aesthetics are awful. And do not want to see the metro UI on anything I paid money for ever again. [B][U]FOR FUCK SAKE, I HATE THE UI. [/U][/B] Do you not understand? Love it, hate it, I don't care, just trying to make me like using it. It's just makes me mad that you're trying to force me into liking it. [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Catdaemon;37468899]I don't really like it. I'm indifferent. At first I was 'whoa this is shit' but then I actually used it for a while and I'd rather scroll through results. I don't care if the old one is a copy of the one in Mac OS. The listing for search results is significantly smaller than the front page stuff - you can easily fit way more of the new style results in the available space than were available in 7. This suggests that you have not actually used it.[/QUOTE] No it just suggests that I used it a while back.

[QUOTE=Rapist;37468666]Hey hey guys did you know that- guys did you know that the metro UI is only for the start menu and you still have a desktop? Since it really seems that most people don't know this.[/QUOTE] I'm willing to bet a good fraction of the people who are bitching about metro have only seen it in screenshots

[insert rude microsoft nickname here] obviously feels that this is a better direction for the interface. Luckily, as the user, we have the option (for the time being) to simply not purchase it. In the future, either with MicroBlessing(tm) or otherwise, we'll probably have our start menu back.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37468539]And it was decided that it was the same way as with Windows 8 - extensive testing. I'm sure people bitched about Windows 95 as well, but I think we can all agree on that the change was for the better - I think it'll be like that with Windows 8.[/QUOTE] [url]https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.win95.shellui/MEBAy63Qlbc/discussion[/url] Yep.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;37469001]I'm willing to bet a good fraction of the people who are bitching about metro have only seen it in screenshots[/QUOTE] I have run the RP version. It's not for me. People keep telling me it is, but it's not. So I'm moving to Linux when Windows 7 becomes hard to find.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37468803]But it takes up my fucking screen, gets in the way and[B] I DO NOT LIKE IT.[/B] [U][B]UNDERSTOOD?[/B][/U] It's not faster, I have used it. For fuck sake. Stop trying to make me like it. Yeah it makes good use of space by blocking my view of windows running in the background, while showing gigantic unscalable boxes. [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] I can do that in Windows 7 for fuck sake and it doesn't block my desktop.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, here's statistics that show how mistaken you are: [url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url] Read it. Note the part regarding the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law"]Shannon formulation/Fitts Law[/URL]. Also note the number of start menu items available on the old start vs the new start. MS also did research with Eye Tracking to see where you're eyeballs go when you open the start menu. Guess what? Your eyes only focus in that corner. When you look through the start menu you don't look anywhere else. Here's two heatmaps that show the time taken to reach each item on the old and new start menu: [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/5270.Page14_2D00_1_5F00_66830D1A.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/2158.Page14_2D00_2_5F00_thumb_5F00_737CED2B.png[/img_thumb] Also note the number of items displayed. On a 1366x768 screen, you get [b]40[/b] items on the new start vs [b]20[/b] on the old start.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37468623]Stop arguing it's change for the better, a giant full screen mobile phone UI isn't change for the better let me tell you. Windows 95 was change for the better and it's UI wasn't released on a touch screen device first. All the millions of dollars of research didn't saving Microsoft from Windows Vista. They should just make a separate Windows for tablets. If you really believe MS won't put a proper start-menu in Windows 8, stop arguing that metro is better and move on. You've got nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE] Why should I argue that it's not better? I don't necessarily find it better on the desktop (but it's certainly on par in my opinion), but you're not looking at the whole picture - we're going into a new phase of computing, and if you look at the new products coming out, you will see why Windows 8 is not bad. At all. It's an OS that fits that new way of using a computer, and I believe that it will be a step in the right direction. And I like how you present totally anecdotal evidence made by you in order to disqualify mine. Let me have a fucking opinion and let me state it - I'm not fucking forcing it on you. I'm saying that I [I]believe[/I] that the change will be for the better and that people will be comfortable with the change in some time, and there is really nothing to neither prove nor disprove that thesis - hence why I said that "I think it'll be like that with Windows 8" not "I'm absolutely certain of this and all you people are wrong.". I know I'm posting a PM here, but this says a lot about what you're actually doing: [QUOTE=RoboChimp]Hi, First of all I'm sorry for bugging you with the shots at Windows 8. Look, I did use Windows 8 RP or RC. I'm not a fan and it's not a piece of software I can just go I "I don't need this" and ignore, it's a sort of fundamental to building a PC, which means it could be the future. I know there are tweaks and such, but it's not the really the same. Sometime I think perhaps I can put up with this, others it bugs me to the point of shaking my fists(yes I have a short fuse). What scares me is the possibility that this metro UI is going catch up with me just as Vista almost did. During mid '08 I couldn't find many copies of Windows XP and had to downgrade ever PC I bought. The reasons for posts is mostly fear and frustration. Just please try to ignore my posts no matter how ignorant they may seem, my intention is not to upset people on purpose (yes I have bad social skills). I'm not sending a post to make myself seem like a great person, I simply don't want people to think I'm deliberately being an ass-hole. Regards, Me.[/QUOTE] Or I could go dig up some posts in the Windows 8 megathread stating pretty much the same - you need to accept that other people have other views than you, like your opinion differs from mine. I'm not gonna say you're factually wrong (because I would in no way be able to support that claim), but I believe - in my own personal opinion - that you are. [editline]30th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ezhik;37469018][url]https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.win95.shellui/MEBAy63Qlbc/discussion[/url] Yep.[/QUOTE] Thanks, this just prooves my earlier point.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37468499]How many people asked for that?[/QUOTE] It was a big fight over it, similar to this.

[QUOTE=Foda;37469134]Congratulations, here's statistics that show how mistaken you are: [url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url] Read it. Note the part regarding the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law"]Shannon formulation/Fitts Law[/URL]. Also note the number of start menu items available on the old start vs the new start. MS also did research with Eye Tracking to see where you're eyeballs go when you open the start menu. Guess what? Your eyes only focus in that corner. When you look through the start menu you don't look anywhere else. Here's two heatmaps that show the time taken to reach each item on the old and new start menu: [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/5270.Page14_2D00_1_5F00_66830D1A.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/2158.Page14_2D00_2_5F00_thumb_5F00_737CED2B.png[/img_thumb] Also note the number of items displayed. On a 1366x768 screen, you get [b]40[/b] items on the new start vs [b]20[/b] on the old start.[/QUOTE] I've seen that, don't care. 40 icons taking up the entire vs 20 I can scroll though. Besides, it doesn't take into account that I'd like to see my windows running in the background. The UI is for you perhaps, but not for me as I've said. I don't like how it looks either.

[QUOTE=Foda;37469134]Congratulations, here's statistics that show how mistaken you are: [url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url] Read it. Note the part regarding the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law"]Shannon formulation/Fitts Law[/URL]. Also note the number of start menu items available on the old start vs the new start. MS also did research with Eye Tracking to see where you're eyeballs go when you open the start menu. Guess what? Your eyes only focus in that corner. When you look through the start menu you don't look anywhere else. Here's two heatmaps that show the time taken to reach each item on the old and new start menu: [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/5270.Page14_2D00_1_5F00_66830D1A.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/2158.Page14_2D00_2_5F00_thumb_5F00_737CED2B.png[/img_thumb] Also note the number of items displayed. On a 1366x768 screen, you get [b]40[/b] items on the new start vs [b]20[/b] on the old start.[/QUOTE] Yeah, totally useless since you can't group shit like in win7 so imagine something like adobe master collection where you have around 20 programs under one neat folder, would now have to be separated.

[QUOTE=nVidia;37469368]Yeah, totally useless since you can't group shit like in win7 so imagine something like adobe master collection where you have around 20 programs under one neat folder, would now have to be separated.[/QUOTE] You can group shit. Did you even try to?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37469179]Why should I argue that it's not better? I don't necessarily find it better on the desktop (but it's certainly on par in my opinion), but you're not looking at the whole picture - we're going into a new phase of computing, and if you look at the new products coming out, you will see why Windows 8 is not bad. At all. It's an OS that fits that new way of using a computer, and I believe that it will be a step in the right direction. And I like how you present totally anecdotal evidence made by you in order to disqualify mine. Let me have a fucking opinion and let me state it - I'm not fucking forcing it on you. I'm saying that I [I]believe[/I] that the change will be for the better and that people will be comfortable with the change in some time, and there is really nothing to neither prove nor disprove that thesis - hence why I said that "I think it'll be like that with Windows 8" not "I'm absolutely certain of this and all you people are wrong.". I know I'm posting a PM here, but this says a lot about what you're actually doing: Or I could go dig up some posts in the Windows 8 megathread stating pretty much the same - you need to accept that other people have other views than you, like your opinion differs from mine. [/QUOTE] I assume you're talking about clouds and tablets when you say the new age of computing. What I'm getting at is that people should have a choice. You can have a tablet and a tablet UI on your PC, but that doesn't mean it's a style that suites everyone. Apple keeps OSX and iOS separate, which keeps the desktop users happy and people haven't seemed to complain that the OSX UI is overwhelming complicated. I'm not trying to stop you from expressing your opinion or disqualify you, I'm saying that I'm angry that people want me to use this UI. I mean how would you feel if you were ranting about somebody breaking your monitor and people were saying: "Well you know, now you can do something else" and then have them present a list of things you don't like doing and people saying how much better they are than looking at a monitor according to research. [B][U] Enough[/U][/B]

Why are you even complaining about the start menu, It's not even that bad. The fact that the Windows button is just gone, meaning you have use a fucking gesture to open it (and the fucking charms bar, what even in the fuck) on a computer (or hit the windows key, but that doesn't work for the charms bar). Not to mention Metro apps which will be a shitty on a computer probably. And of course there's the appification of the most used PC OS, which is going to get Microsoft in a load of trouble if they pull any stupid monopoly shit again. tl;dr it's not the end of the world but holy fuck would it hurt to have kept the windows button.

[QUOTE=Foda;37469134]Congratulations, here's statistics that show how mistaken you are: [url]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx[/url] Read it. Note the part regarding the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law"]Shannon formulation/Fitts Law[/URL]. Also note the number of start menu items available on the old start vs the new start. MS also did research with Eye Tracking to see where you're eyeballs go when you open the start menu. Guess what? Your eyes only focus in that corner. When you look through the start menu you don't look anywhere else. Here's two heatmaps that show the time taken to reach each item on the old and new start menu: [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/5270.Page14_2D00_1_5F00_66830D1A.png[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/2158.Page14_2D00_2_5F00_thumb_5F00_737CED2B.png[/img_thumb] Also note the number of items displayed. On a 1366x768 screen, you get [b]40[/b] items on the new start vs [b]20[/b] on the old start.[/QUOTE] Most icons in Windows 8 take up 4 or more of those spaces though. [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QapkeLeobMk/UCZzap2qA9I/AAAAAAAAAEs/mPnUbM5WvsU/s1600/windows-8-release.jpg[/t] I like the Metro design theme (in general), I like the fact that they made it very cheap to upgrade from Windows 7, but I just have the feeling that this start menu is more of a tablet UI.

[QUOTE=Egonny;37469924]Most icons in Windows 8 take up 4 or more of those spaces though. [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QapkeLeobMk/UCZzap2qA9I/AAAAAAAAAEs/mPnUbM5WvsU/s1600/windows-8-release.jpg[/t] I like the Metro design theme (in general), I like the fact that they made it very cheap to upgrade from Windows 7, but I just have the feeling that this start menu is more of a tablet UI.[/QUOTE] Not sure what resolution that picture was taken at but at 1920 x 1080 I get the advertised amount of tiles. [t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3536420/Asadvertised.png[/t]

It seemed to be only a week ago when everyone was blindly defending Windows 8 and shitting on anybody who raised any concerns. Pretty bi-polar attitude towards Windows 8 here.

[QUOTE=danharibo;37469775]Why are you even complaining about the start menu, It's not even that bad. The fact that the Windows button is just gone, meaning you have use a fucking gesture to open it (and the fucking charms bar, what even in the fuck) on a computer (or hit the windows key, but that doesn't work for the charms bar). Not to mention Metro apps which will be a shitty on a computer probably. And of course there's the appification of the most used PC OS, which is going to get Microsoft in a load of trouble if they pull any stupid monopoly shit again. tl;dr it's not the end of the world but holy fuck would it hurt to have kept the windows button.[/QUOTE] It's not a gesture, it's a hot corner that you have to click (unlike apple's implementation which immediately performs the action and could be considered a gesture, windows gives you a preview of what it'll do first). The only practical difference is that there isn't a glossy orb there anymore. Certainly on previous versions of windows I'd ram the cursor right into that corner anyway and I'm sure that applies to most people or they wouldn't have removed the big button. On multi-monitor setups this becomes more useful, as you can invoke the start menu and metro apps in general on any screen you like. The charms bar is pretty shit, but I've never actually used it since getting used to 8. All of its functions can be invoked in other ways. The metro app integration would be better if it allowed running them in smaller windows, but as it stands it's usable and gives you a 'best of both worlds' experience. Metro apps and the environment in general are really awesome from a distance with a keyboard (typical media centre usage).

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;37469632]I assume you're talking about clouds and tablets when you say the new age of computing. What I'm getting at is that people should have a choice. You can have a tablet and a tablet UI on your PC, but that doesn't mean it's a style that suites everyone. Apple keeps OSX and iOS separate, which keeps the desktop users happy and people haven't seemed to complain that the OSX UI is overwhelming complicated. I'm not trying to stop you from expressing your opinion or disqualify you, I'm saying that I'm angry that people want me to use this UI. I mean how would you feel if you were ranting about somebody breaking your monitor and people were saying: "Well you know, now you can do something else" and then have them present a list of things you don't like doing and people saying how much better they are than looking at a monitor according to research. [B][U] Enough[/U][/B][/QUOTE] Nope, I'm talking about laptop/tablet convertibles, that's a thing that hasn't been very prevalent till now, but a lot have been shown the last few months. I don't want you to use this UI, continue using Windows 7 all you want, but there's not much more to do. I wouldn't like someone breaking my second monitor, but this isn't what's happening. This is someone substituting your monitor for a different one with, say, a different aspect ratio. This aspect ratio might be good or bad for you, depending on what you use it for - but I'd say that it for most tasks is just as nice as the old one, and that it excels in a lot of new ones.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;37468210]it's obvious that we know more than microsoft, that spent millions of dollars on research, ever will.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what Microsoft found out via their research. We are all end users, we are the people that actually matter not their research.

Downloaded this as I get it for free due to my MSDNAA account. Nice to have a key for it in case I ever bring myself to start liking Metro.

If you don't like the new start menu, you can go back and use the old one. Start8 recently updated and works exactly like 7's did. So you can get a cheap upgrade and have the other benefits of 8 without having the Start screen. [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/XyLVOY.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/E3R3yB.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/NLW6NJ.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/b2WSSQ.png[/IMG]