London has just elected it's first Muslim mayor; Sadiq Khan - Polidicks

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274745]While I don't doubt this, religion isn't race and shouldn't be dismissed. It is a mindset and a whole set of belifs. You wouldn't elect someone who believes the earth is flat. Religion should be regarded in a similar manner.[/QUOTE] But you can apply that to any characteristic of a person. Should we not elect obese people because they might promote unhealthy lifestyles? Should we not elect ex-military because they might promote conflict? Why does religion get unfairly targeted here?

'First Muslim Mayor of London' This is no amazing feat. He's only the third person to hold the office. It was created in 2000. Did people make a big deal about Johnson being the first Tory Mayor? Khan's religious beliefs are totally irrelevant to anything imo. The only people who really care are Britain First.

Rotterdam has had a muslim mayor for 7 years now, we're being overrun by those gosh darn m00slimes send help pls [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50274737]They do though. I mean really, underground and open mosques are the terror recruitment offices. It appears in most documentaries and ISIS recruit stories. Not saying mosques exist to recruit terrorists, but recruitment totally happens there.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/what-makes-people-join-isis-expert-says-foreign-fighters-are-almost-never-recruited-at-mosque-a6748251.html[/url] Honestly I see jihadists reaching out to alienated people more in stories of jihadists than people being recruited at mosques

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274745]While I don't doubt this, religion isn't race and shouldn't be dismissed. It is a mindset and a whole set of belifs. You wouldn't elect someone who believes the earth is flat. Religion should be regarded in a similar manner.[/QUOTE] What is freedom of religion ? The people have elected this man for a reason. They deemed his political programme correct.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274745]While I don't doubt this, religion isn't race and shouldn't be dismissed. It is a mindset and a whole set of belifs. You wouldn't elect someone who believes the earth is flat. Religion should be regarded in a similar manner.[/QUOTE] His religious beliefs don't impact on his policies, do they? People have voted for Sadiq Khan because they like the platform that he ran on (Well, and because Goldsmith is a mentalist), him being a Muslim means 0. He's not going to force Sharia law onto London and make every woman wear a Burka in public is he. EDIT: this conversation is ridiculous. He's a British man who happens to be a Muslim.

Sounds like the better man won.

Out of interest. What kind of power does a mayor have?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50274746]I cannot imagine a majority of mosques being recruitment centers of any kind. Those that do have that issue are an insignificant minority.[/QUOTE] It is a misunderstanding of how extremism operates. Many mosques may be very conservative, as some churches are. This does not mean that they are extremist. Most extremists are young, and dislike authority. Most of the religious are usually deferent to authority, regardless of their conservatism. Your average, even very conservative iman, has as much chance of connecting with the angry young Muslim as an old Church minister does with an angry young Christian. Instead, extremists will meet and recruit online, where there is much more chance of a connection taking place.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274745]While I don't doubt this, religion isn't race and shouldn't be dismissed. It is a mindset and a whole set of belifs. You wouldn't elect someone who believes the earth is flat. Religion should be regarded in a similar manner.[/QUOTE] Well.. let's just say you wouldn't elect him as a minister of education, or scientific affairs, at least.. :v:

[QUOTE=booster;50274878]Out of interest. What kind of power does a mayor have?[/QUOTE] Transport, Policing/Crime, Housing. All big things in London. [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;50274880]Well.. let's just say you wouldn't elect him as a minister of education, or scientific affairs, at least.. :v:[/QUOTE] Holy shit so because he's a Muslim he wants to teach all of the kiddies to bow to Allah and he's so backwards he doesn't believe in science? Does he fuck goats too? Jesus Christ.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50274686]Omg guys hes called Khan[/QUOTE] quick, hide spock

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274584]This is bad. Religious leaders in general are bad. Islam isn't modernized at all and this will have terrible consequences including: More religious schools where children are indoctrinated, push for more leniency towards sharia-laws, more "muslim areas", and probably more mosques where terror recruitment will happen. When you import islam you will get islam.[/QUOTE] Yes, excellent idea! We should demand that all people in any position of power be atheist, so that their religion world domination conspiracy plans cannot affect their position. [sp] /s [/sp]

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274584]This is bad. Religious leaders in general are bad. Islam isn't modernized at all and this will have terrible consequences including: More religious schools where children are indoctrinated, push for more leniency towards sharia-laws, more "muslim areas", and probably more mosques where terror recruitment will happen. When you import islam you will get islam.[/QUOTE] Have you even read a single bit about the dude? [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50274737]They do though. I mean really, underground and open mosques are the terror recruitment offices. It appears in most documentaries and ISIS recruit stories. Not saying mosques exist to recruit terrorists, but recruitment totally happens there.[/QUOTE] No shit ISIS recruit stories feature places that recruit but that doesn't mean that all places are recruiting. I don't even understand how a clear thinking human being could make a post like this.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50274785]'First Muslim Mayor of London' This is no amazing feat. He's only the third person to hold the office. It was created in 2000. Did people make a big deal about Johnson being the first Tory Mayor? Khan's religious beliefs are totally irrelevant to anything imo. The only people who really care are Britain First.[/QUOTE] Guess the Britain First candidate! :v: [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/07/09/33EA352200000578-3578308-image-a-3_1462611078575.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=orgornot;50274745]While I don't doubt this, religion isn't race and shouldn't be dismissed. It is a mindset and a whole set of belifs.[/QUOTE] fair enough, so then why did you say this [QUOTE=orgornot;50274584]When you import islam you will get islam.[/QUOTE] about a man who was born in London 45 years ago and has lived in the UK longer than you've lived in Sweden "no i'm not conflating religion with race i'm just presuming that a Muslim has to be from you, you know, [I]there[/I]"

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50274880]Well.. let's just say you wouldn't elect him as a minister of education, or scientific affairs, at least.. :v:[/QUOTE] :v::v::v: so no muslim doctors, scientists, teachers, researchers, professors exist. excellently put. I don't know about where this new scandinavian form of bigoted crap is coming from but it's interesting.

Don't get all the fuss over "the first muslim london mayor" when its a position thats only existed since about 1999-2000 in its current state, we've only actually had 3 london mayors including khan.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50274896]Holy shit so because he's a Muslim he wants to teach all of the kiddies to bow to Allah and he's so backwards he doesn't believe in science? Does he fuck goats too? Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] We had a pretty large debate about a theologian being minister of science. Personally I think it's totally okay as long as they let science be science really, but what I'm trying to say those doubts aren't exclusive to Muslims.

[QUOTE=AK'z;50276315]:v::v::v: so no muslim doctors, scientists, teachers, researchers, professors exist. excellently put. I don't know about this where this new scandinavian form of bigoted crap is coming from but it's interesting.[/QUOTE] It's mainly just Sweden and Finland from what I've seen. Finland hates everyone including themselves so that's no big surprise, but I still love how Sweden has this "We're so accepting!" shtick while being some of the most toxic people towards anything not Swedish :v: Also looked him up on wikipedia: [quote]elected MP for Tooting in 2005.[/quote] I giggled.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50274880]Well.. let's just say you wouldn't elect him as a minister of education, or scientific affairs, at least.. :v:[/QUOTE] The current holders of both those offices are Christian

lmfao are you ready for there to be no more great countries in the world? [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] not due to the mayor personally at all, but this acceleration towards "multiculturalism" even when the multiculturalism is, by most subjective quantities, worse than the status quo (I.E. "muslim areas") [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;50276667]lmfao are you ready for there to be no more great countries in the world? [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] not due to the mayor personally at all, but this acceleration towards "multiculturalism" even when the multiculturalism is, by most subjective quantities, worse than the status quo (I.E. "muslim areas")[/QUOTE] Holy shit he's just a Londoner who happens to be Muslim

[QUOTE=CatFodder;50276693]Holy shit he's just a Londoner who happens to be Muslim[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]not due to the mayor personally at all,[/QUOTE] hmm

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;50276748]hmm[/QUOTE] So what's the connection between London electing a Muslim Mayor and there being 'no more great countries in the world'?

Him being the first Muslim Mayor of London doesn't mean much, but he's the first Muslim mayor of a Western European capital, so that's interesting trivia, I guess.

Calgary's mayor is Muslim too, and he's the best mayor in the known universe.

[QUOTE=_RJ_;50274738]Christians are persecuted all the time, you don't see them chopping people's heads off.[/QUOTE] there are many reasons for this: 1) terrorism is largely a political phenomenon. incidentally, islam has political wings and extensions, in which islamic scripture is used as the basis for governance and public policy. the same cannot be said for christianity - most of the time, when establishment was the norm, christianity was a source of legitimacy for existing regimes and systems (i.e. monarchs and feudalism) rather than a source of inspiration for the actual structure of those systems. thus, this isn't to say that islam itself is particularly more backward than christianity, but rather that [I]because[/I] political islam was well-expounded upon in the literature, it gave islamic law and the clerical authority staying-power in the form of institutions and laws. but ignoring the ideological components... 2) in places where christians are indeed persecuted, they not only have low political capital, but low social capital as well, due to a rejection by the rest of society. pair that with the fact that persecution is worst in places where christians are a tiny minority, and you have a group of people with few resources and organizing potential to actually resist against the status quo with violence. that's not even accounting for the fact that... 3) some places persecute christians (and everyone else) to the point that not very much terrorism takes place, relatively speaking. saudi arabia is an example. conversely, there are also middle-eastern societies that are relatively tolerant towards christians (lebanon, which is one-third christian; and iran, which has built-in constitutional protections and legislative representation for christians) that, while certainly unfriendly towards christians in some aspects, pales in comparison to the kind of deeply-entrenched political animosity that takes place between, say, sunni and shia. which leads us to the fact that... 4) the ethno-religious dynamics of terrorism are different for christians in middle-eastern societies. there is no organized effort to, say, prevent christians from voting in syrian or iraqi society, because they don't wield enough strength to challenge the political status quo. by comparison, in iraq, sunni were systemically and systematically excluded from iraqi governance, because of a) sectarian animosity arising from inter-communal violence in the fog of the US invasion and b) the threat that an organized sunni coalition (in iraq's case, Iraqiyya) posed to shia power-holders (a la prime minister Nouri al Maliki and his shia State of Law coalition). [B]tl;dr ethnoreligious conflict is messy and complicated, and you can't cleanly compare two general groups in a general region, because every country is different and each group faces its own distinct challenges and is limited in its political capacity in different ways.[/B] edit: this is also nothing to say of the differing impacts of nationalism on both europe (where christianity dominated) and the middle east/north africa (where islam dominated). in european states, christianity was adapted to local characteristics, because of a strong sense of local ethnic identity, reflected in the existence of nations that reflected those cultural borders. the muslim world had no such system: up until the 20th century it was dominated by empires, which largely made local tradition and identity subservient to the larger authority of the empire (which, incidentally, was originally based upon political islam, an ideology which deliberately tried to transcend cultural and ethnic borders).

Actual picture of Sadiq Khan as envisioned by some of the people in this thread [img]http://imgkk.com/i/9k2d.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;50276667]lmfao are you ready for there to be no more great countries in the world? [editline]7th May 2016[/editline] not due to the mayor personally at all, but this acceleration towards "multiculturalism" even when the multiculturalism is, by most subjective quantities, worse than the status quo (I.E. "muslim areas")[/QUOTE] You sure are radical.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50274896]Holy shit so because he's a Muslim he wants to teach all of the kiddies to bow to Allah and he's so backwards he doesn't believe in science? Does he fuck goats too? Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] I meant the flat earth theorist. :vs: (Also the Qu'ran does mention shit about planets orbiting stars. I think.) Like I said, this [I]Muslim[/I] person (funny to label a mayor by his religion only, like it really means anything) is probably an alright guy, high educated and smart, and so on.