Western volunteers fighting with Kurds in Syria leave to other militias because Syrian Kurds are "a
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[QUOTE=Deng;47198540]Much of the experiences of the 20th century would seem to show that most people in the Communist states tended to regard that poorly.[/QUOTE]
Except nowhere in the article does it say they're Communist. It's not really fair to compare the soviet experience to nations who aren't even Communist.
It doesn't even describe how left-wing they are, just that they're too left wing for the American Christians who want to join them.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;47198564]Except nowhere in the article does it say they're Communist. It's not really fair to compare the soviet experience to nations who aren't even Communist.
It doesn't even describe how left-wing they are, just that they're too left wing for the American Christians who want to join them.[/QUOTE]
The Kurdistan Workers Party (a heavily affiliated group with the one in the article) is a Communist party that did some suicide bombings in the past and is classified as a terrorist organisation, so I assume it has something to do with that.
[QUOTE=Deng;47198661]The Kurdistan Workers Party (a heavily affiliated group with the one in the article) is a Communist party that did some suicide bombings in the past and is classified as a terrorist organisation, so I assume it has something to do with that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah this. And assuming they internally don't renounce those past acts of left-wing terrorism, I too would come to the conclusion that in addition to being anti-ISIS freedom fighters, they are also still communists.
I don't blame the volunteers for choosing their camp of freedom fighters and don't see why anyone over here should care as long as they fight against ISIS and other Islamic terror groups.
I will help you, but only if you do things my way= not helping.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;47198564]Except nowhere in the article does it say they're Communist. It's not really fair to compare the soviet experience to nations who aren't even Communist.
It doesn't even describe how left-wing they are, just that they're too left wing for the American Christians who want to join them.[/QUOTE]
Just to say, the PYD, PKK, and other associated groups are at the very least nominally following a brand of libertarian socialism put forward by Murray Bookchin known as libertarian municipalism. So they most definitely are communists in the general sense, though not in the sense of being supportive of USSR based deformed workers state. Now whether or not they are properly committed to this is a different thing, but from what I've read they seem to have repudiated their former soviet style Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist ways in practice.
[QUOTE=Aman;47186324]Lol what? Why is it so bad that they want communism for their communities? They aren't exporting it globally it's just what they want for their people.[/QUOTE]
"Lol what? Why is it so bad that they want national socialism for their communities? They aren't exporting it globally it's just what they want for their people."
The YPG is fighting for a cause the western volunteers mentioned do not want to fight for.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;47198158]Communism doesn't allow you to "choose how to live", an thus cannot be considered a "freedom brand".
If the YPG want to establish a communist state the volunteers are right not to help them.
Claiming it's their "freedom to do so" isn't uncomplicated either. YPG and IS are both fighting to establish a currently unregonized state. Obviously their ideals matter.[/QUOTE]
The KKP gave up Marxism-Leninism about a decade or so ago and now, at least nominally, fights for libertarian socialism. The YPG is currently structured under what they call democratic autonomy, but what is in all but name libertarian democratic socialism. Most leftists liken the organization of the YPG to that of a less industrialized version of the organization of Revolutionary Catalonia in the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEZqVlJemg"]Spanish Civil War[/URL]. The YPG has not acted as terrorists in the past and their model of society so far has included transferring some workers' control of the means of production to the workers that work those places through cooperatives, protection of private property, establishing protected political status to ensure inclusion of minorities and [URL="http://jonparsons.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bzh7mcfcyaez76x-jpg-large.jpeg"]women[/URL] (who have their own army, the YPJ), including religious and ethnic minorities, and the protection of all political parties except Islamist and fascist ones. The primary governmental unit that people see under YPG rule is "The House of the People" which is a local association that basically is an assembly of a village or city's populace who gather to debate on local issues and make laws through majority vote. The national government, the Democratic Society Movement, is where political parties are involved. It almost entirely deals with external issues and is very hands off of the local HoPs and communities. There have been some criticisms that certain human rights- mostly due process- have been forgone, but HRW has said that since these criticisms have been raised real and concrete changes have been made to address them, and that many of the criticisms are likely due to the transitional position of the government.
Are the groups "communist"? Yes. Do you know what communism is? I'd have a hard time believing that.
[QUOTE=draugur;47186390]What a bunch of assholes. Who the fuck believes in freedom for everyone but only if they get your specific freedom brand? I mean, the entire concept of freedom is their fucking ability to choose how they want to live. They want communism? It's their freedom to do so.[/QUOTE]
I don't see anyone lining up to defend the freedom of other groups to fight for Sharia law and a strict interpretation of Islam. If the YPG wanted to form their own collective out in the middle of nowhere there's very little stopping them at the moment. They're fighting for the right to impose that political system on a greater community, same as any other rebel group.
And how about the freedom of the volunteers to not fight for a cause that is opposed to their beliefs?
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