Parasite Shkreli smugly silent at Congressional hearing - tweets about 'imbeciles' later
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Pyrimethamine went off-patent decades ago. The only reason why he's gotten away with raising the prices is because, presumably, no one wants to go to all the trouble of getting FDA approval for a generic equivalent when the market is so small.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49684425]Yeah? Thats a very bad thing. Taking a cheap life-saving drug and making it 1000% more expensive.[/QUOTE]
Except Turing offers the drug for free, and the media blitz forced a generic out. It made no measurable impact, besides raising the cost for insurance companies and hospitals (who now pay a reduced fee for emergency supplies of Daraprim). Daraprim likely would not have remained cheap (or available at all) without the Impax buyout.
Other pharmaceutical companies do this on a massive scale with much bigger implications for patients, even people who are insured. But the focus is on Shkreli, and it's just crazy to me.
[editline]6th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swilly;49684458]Also I want sources about all this 'free' horseshit before everyone starts playing defense game for this guy.
One interview, with VICE who can easily be paid, is not a god damn source.[/QUOTE]
Okay here you go, you can call Turing if you want:
[url]http://www.daraprimdirect.com/patients[/url]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49684418]the drug now costs more to insurance
not individuals
it's hilarious to see people try to do mental gymnastics around this fact[/QUOTE]
Still have a copay and I imagine its still gonna be pretty huge at that cost
If your insurance would even cover that drug, some don't. I know this from experience when mine decided they didn't wanna cover my $200 inhaler for one month until enough people complained.
[QUOTE=rilez;49684499]Except Turing offers the drug for free, and the media blitz forced a generic out. It made no measurable impact, besides raising the cost for insurance companies and hospitals (who now pay a reduced fee for emergency supplies of Daraprim). Daraprim likely would not have remained cheap (or available at all) without the Impax buyout.
Other pharmaceutical companies do this on a massive scale with much bigger implications for patients, even people who are insured. But the focus is on Shkreli, and it's just crazy to me.
[editline]6th February 2016[/editline]
Okay here you go, you can call Turing if you want:
[url]http://www.daraprimdirect.com/patients[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks, everyone is so damn ridiculous. It's amazing how much clickbait articles can change people's perspective on something they know nothing about.
[QUOTE=Twistai;49683709]Actually he's not that bad of a guy and alot of stuff about him is misrepresented. It was interesting to hear his perspective.
[video=youtube;2PCb9mnrU1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCb9mnrU1g[/video][/QUOTE]
It doesn't really matter, the dude runs a crooked business and goes from one crooked enterprise to another and is a complete dick about it
[QUOTE=X12321;49684578]Thanks, everyone is so damn ridiculous. It's amazing how much clickbait articles can change people's perspective on something they know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
This won't change anyone's minds. They'll continue to cling on to their biases and believe that big bad evil corporations are out to get them.
[QUOTE=X12321;49684578]Thanks, everyone is so damn ridiculous. It's amazing how much clickbait articles can change people's perspective on something they know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
Everybody has those "free" drug programs, theyre a PR stunt, that has no real bearing on the average person, his former company is out to make money not to help people, they haven't spent a dime on actual research even as they've acquired more and more drugs
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[editline]6th February 2016[/editline]
Okay here you go, you can call Turing if you want:
[url]http://www.daraprimdirect.com/patients[/url][/QUOTE]
You wanna know what I found through a bit of researching? They specifically reasoned that doing this would prevent generic development of the drug, thereby pushing the price down.
Infact, the entire system is set up where you can only buy these tablets at a specific branch of Walgreens and only from one specific wholesaler. Thats entirely within the spectrum of anti-competitive business practices.
What the fuck is the problem with raising the price, if he gives the drug for free!! (which you couldn't before) if you can actually not afford it and need it.
I don't see how the infected people are affected by this.
[QUOTE=Fantastical;49684607]What the fuck is the problem with raising the price, if he gives the drug for free!! (which you couldn't before) if you can actually not afford it and need it.
I don't see how the infected people are affected by this.[/QUOTE]
Because its free with strings attatched. The website itself states you need to meet certain criteria to get it for free.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49684611]Because its free with strings attatched. The website itself states you need to meet certain criteria to get it for free.[/QUOTE]
Well I suppose that criteria is that you must prove that you can not afford it, yeah? Makes sense.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49684611]Because its free with strings attatched. The website itself states you need to meet certain criteria to get it for free.[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't there be criteria you need to meet?
[QUOTE=Fantastical;49684613]Well I suppose that criteria is that you must prove that you can not afford it, yeah? Makes sense.[/QUOTE]
We don't know the criteria; I can call them up later when I'm done with work or something but I get the feeling any program like this will inevitably have very specific criteria to meet.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49684580]It doesn't really matter, the dude runs a crooked business and goes from one crooked enterprise to another and is a complete dick about it[/QUOTE]
I don't understand how people can take this guy for his word. He's under investigation for running a ponzi scheme and raising the price of a drug by 5000%.
[QUOTE=X12321;49684616]Why wouldn't there be criteria you need to meet?[/QUOTE]
Why does a 60 year old drug need to be so expensive that people can't afford it to begin with and need to count on the generosity of the company that knocked the price up
[QUOTE=Untouch;49683857]he's very clearly a sociopath and needs help[/QUOTE]
No he doesn't. Stop equating being an asshole to being mentally ill.
Shrekli is no doubt not a good person.
But can you stop acting like he's a fucking villain?
The dude raised the price of a drug massively in one go, and got a lot of attention.
Would you all do yourselves a favour, and look at the amount other drugs are raised silently, quietly, slowly, but all doing the exact same thing? Profit gouging.
They're all bad, he's just a shining beacon of shit in one of the dirtiest fucking industries we have.
Martin Shkreli for president 2016
He's right, though, about them being imbeciles. It is the fault of lawmakers that there is a for-profit healthcare industry in the united states in the first place, so they can't get mad at him and people like him take advantage of that in order to make a profit.
The only real solution is a single payer system. Nationalize healthcare, put it under strict government regulation, pay for it with taxes, and offer unlimited free healthcare to all people living in the united states. Then, things like this are no longer a concern.
Not that this makes him any less of a shitty person. He's still a dick, for sure. It's just more important though to focus on the fact that it's the system itself that allows big pharma's dickish behavior to be used to exploit people. Because we can enact laws to change the system, but we cannot enact laws that prevent people from being assholes.
[QUOTE=J Paul;49684761]He's right, though, about them being imbeciles. It is the fault of lawmakers that there is a for-profit healthcare industry in the united states in the first place, so they can't get mad at him and people like him take advantage of that in order to make a profit.
The only real solution is a single payer system. Nationalize healthcare, put it under strict government regulation, pay for it with taxes, and offer unlimited free healthcare to all people living in the united states. Then, things like this are no longer a concern.
Not that this makes him any less of a shitty person. He's still a dick, for sure. It's just more important though to focus on the fact that it's the system itself that allows big pharma's dickish behavior to be used to exploit people. Because we can enact laws to change the system, but we cannot enact laws that prevent people from being assholes.[/QUOTE]
That's healthcare, the pharmaceutical industry is a separate (although related) issue.
Well to be fair, he's right about congress being comprised of a bunch of imbeciles since they take money from pharmaceutical lobbyists and pass laws allowing his kind of bullshit to be legal in the first place.
Now I'm not saying Martin isn't a total ass, but the only reason he's the one being grilled on the stand is because the legislative body wants Martin to take the fall for their own collective greed and corruption so the status quo may continue as if nothing happened, and all this will be yesterday's news. Nothing will change.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49684739]Shrekli is no doubt not a good person.
But can you stop acting like he's a fucking villain?
The dude raised the price of a drug massively in one go, and got a lot of attention.
Would you all do yourselves a favour, and look at the amount other drugs are raised silently, quietly, slowly, but all doing the exact same thing? Profit gouging.
They're all bad, he's just a shining beacon of shit in one of the dirtiest fucking industries we have.[/QUOTE]
just because other people are doing the same thing doesn't make it any less bad
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;49684781]Now I'm not saying Martin isn't a total ass, but the only reason he's the one being grilled on the stand is because the legislative body wants Martin to take the fall for their own collective greed and corruption so the status quo may continue as if nothing happened, and all this will be yesterday's news. Nothing will change.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't justify his actions though. Not in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49684779]That's healthcare, the pharmaceutical industry is a separate (although related) issue.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's a fair point, I was just under the assumption that a government regulated healthcare industry would also include regulations over the manufacturers who provide resources to that industry, all the way from drugs to the little plastic cups that they give you water to take the drugs with. Lots of these things that are separate from the industry but that make profit off the industry do so because of a lack of sensible regulation. They can charge you $20 for a plastic cup to drink from because nobody is telling them they can't.
You're right, though, that might take separate legislation. I'm confident though that they would come down on pharmaceutical companies too simply because they are an essential part of treatment of most illness.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49684588]Everybody has those "free" drug programs, theyre a PR stunt, that has no real bearing on the average person, his former company is out to make money not to help people, they haven't spent a dime on actual research even as they've acquired more and more drugs[/QUOTE]
How do you know this, do you work for Turing? Or are you just spouting nonsense
[QUOTE=Sableye;49684627]Why does a 60 year old drug need to be so expensive that people can't afford it to begin with and need to count on the generosity of the company that knocked the price up[/QUOTE]
Well why does Congress grill him for raising the price of a drug that the average person will never need in their lives yet all the other pharmaceutical companies that raise prices for drugs that the average person DOES need get away with it and don't make the headlines or stand before Congress? Just because hes an asshole and we dont like him?
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;49684781]Well to be fair, he's right about congress being comprised of a bunch of imbeciles since they take money from pharmaceutical lobbyists and pass laws allowing his kind of bullshit to be legal in the first place.
Now I'm not saying Martin isn't a total ass, but the only reason he's the one being grilled on the stand is because the legislative body wants Martin to take the fall for their own collective greed and corruption so the status quo may continue as if nothing happened, and all this will be yesterday's news. Nothing will change.[/QUOTE]This, he's practically being used as a scapegoat and posterchild for the evils of the pharmaceutical industry, even though he's probably the least evil of them all.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49684739]Shrekli is no doubt not a good person.
But can you stop acting like he's a fucking villain?
The dude raised the price of a drug massively in one go, and got a lot of attention.
Would you all do yourselves a favour, and look at the amount other drugs are raised silently, quietly, slowly, but all doing the exact same thing? Profit gouging.
They're all bad, he's just a shining beacon of shit in one of the dirtiest fucking industries we have.[/QUOTE]
So why should people go easier on him? He's not the only scumbag, but he's still a scumbag. People would stop acting like he's a villain if he actually stopped acting like one.
This is a great example of don't hate the player.
Shkreli has done in one person what drug companies are designed to do, which is profit. The only difference is that he's an individual jumping through the hoops rather than a corporation. Shkreli is just a symptom of what's really going on there, so there's no reason to blame him for using loopholes in a system that's just broken.
He has worn the asshole hat very well, though.
i'd hang out with him tbh
[QUOTE=rilez;49683802]People love focusing on the negative. He raised the price of a drug and he's smug on twitter, he clearly deserves death in prison.
As for the fraud allegations, innocent until proven guilty... I don't see why he should have to communicate, when he's been advised by his lawyers not to.[/QUOTE]
His raising of the drug price has potentially caused a huge amount of suffering and who knows, perhaps will even lead to someone dying due to not being able to afford it should no generic alternative be developed. I wouldn't say execute him, but if he say, falls off a cliff and dies, I wouldn't be losing any sleep.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49684824]That doesn't justify his actions though. Not in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it doesn't. The point I was trying to make was that Martin shouldn't be the only person to take the fall for this systematic abuse. People in the legislature are also at fault for actively allowing this sort of thing to be legal in the first place. In short, send your congressman an unhappy letter about this issue.
Sorry if I wasn't being clear about that.
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