• Parasite Shkreli smugly silent at Congressional hearing - tweets about 'imbeciles' later
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[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49685308]How to find the Republican :D I always find it funny how Republicans use the word "liberal" -- free -- as a bad word :D[/QUOTE] Is being a republican a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Twistai;49683709]Actually he's not that bad of a guy and alot of stuff about him is misrepresented. It was interesting to hear his perspective. [video=youtube;2PCb9mnrU1g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCb9mnrU1g[/video][/QUOTE] Yes, and I'm sure Hitler was a pleasant guy to chat to when he wasn't exterminating Jews and ordering invasions. Just because there's good points to a person doesn't mean they're overall good. The bad can, and in the case of Mr Shkreli does, override the good. I don't give a single flying donkey shit if he rescues kittens from shelters or saves five year olds from burning buildings on the side. He is the physical embodiment of the main problem with the pharmaceutical industry and he, by being as such and by perpetuating such, deserves to have the book thrown at him. He should be charging...ooh, let's say it costs $5 to make each pill. $10/pill seems reasonable. Plenty of profit there, but the drug is priced reasonably enough for it to be affordable to those who need it. Not [i]800 per pill[/i], like he's charging. Why? Because he can, that's why. He has a captive audience, as it were, a customerbase that literally cannot survive without his product, and he takes full advantage of that to buy yachts and sports cars and shit. IT's depraved.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49686638]I don't care about shrekli because he's meaningless next to the large companies. He's a media whore. Why should I care when the real "villainous" companies will never face charges like this? Why's he facing charges and not them? Media attention, why does he have more media attention? He generates more outrage then the real problem does.[/QUOTE] I know what you're getting at and I'm 100% on this one with you Wonder how not more people manage to get the issue....
[QUOTE=Captain James;49687306]Hate the game, not the player. Everything he does is legal, question what system produces this and you'll have the real issue. You all exhibit the same mentality those people had about Starbucks in Saudi Arabia not being gender equal and instead of attacking the customs of SA, surprise surprise, it was Starbucks under the light of review.[/QUOTE] Nobody has to play the game, so as far as I'm concerned, every "player" can go drown in a vat of ball sweat and liquid hate.
[QUOTE=TestECull;49687368]Yes, and I'm sure Hitler was a pleasant guy to chat to when he wasn't exterminating Jews and ordering invasions. Just because there's good points to a person doesn't mean they're overall good. The bad can, and in the case of Mr Shkreli does, override the good. I don't give a single flying donkey shit if he rescues kittens from shelters or saves five year olds from burning buildings on the side. He is the physical embodiment of the main problem with the pharmaceutical industry and he, by being as such and by perpetuating such, deserves to have the book thrown at him. He should be charging...ooh, let's say it costs $5 to make each pill. $10/pill seems reasonable. Plenty of profit there, but the drug is priced reasonably enough for it to be affordable to those who need it. Not [i]800 per pill[/i], like he's charging. Why? Because he can, that's why. He has a captive audience, as it were, a customerbase that literally cannot survive without his product, and he takes full advantage of that to buy yachts and sports cars and shit. IT's depraved.[/QUOTE] Did you watch the video? He claims most people can get it for free and most of the profits go towards R&D. I don't know how much is true or reliable, but you're claiming the opposite.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;49688603]Did you watch the video? He claims most people can get it for free and most of the profits go towards R&D. I don't know how much is true or reliable, but you're claiming the opposite.[/QUOTE] Proof?
[QUOTE=rilez;49683802]People love focusing on the negative. He raised the price of a drug and he's smug on twitter, he clearly deserves death in prison. As for the fraud allegations, innocent until proven guilty... I don't see why he should have to communicate, when he's been advised by his lawyers not to.[/QUOTE] People like to give him sooo much flak. This fucking thread. I'm pretty convinced that he's just fucking with the drug business of America, particularly some big chains and corporations, and that he might just do it for a greater good. And that he's more interested about R&D than most. And and.. Sure he's come off as an asshole too, but that's mostly because of some [I]technically unrelated[/I] publicity stunts like the Wu Tang clan album purchase; almost any rich person might as well have bought it and not tell his name and never show it, and leave it at that. [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;49683848]a price hike normally wouldn't be a big problem, but he raised it by [b]5,000[/b] percent, and people who are unable to get the drug are [I]very likely[/I] to die as for the smugness on twitter, having no regrets when your actions [I]could result[/I] in the deaths of tons of people is just horrid tbh I think people have been reacting just the way they should when it comes to how horrible of a person this guy is[/QUOTE] Ah yes, these posts again. Now, while I don't fully doubt that Shkreli's actions could have directly caused [I]at least one death[/I] from the lack of daraprim, which would make me very angry and emotionally loaded too, I would very much like to see a source of that one person dying, let alone reports of "tons of people" dying but that's just a bonus if you can come up with that. [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;49688851]Proof?[/QUOTE] Show me proof of people suffering from Shrkeli's actions then, directly or even indirectly getting fucked over. And by suffering I don't mean some rich company owners losing some money. [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] It's really funny how easily average people, even here, are ready to defend the big and mighty prescription drug business, and people are ready to defend them without even having studied the law and business much further. I haven't. So, I can't say for certain if what he's doing is truly good, or bad, but I'm guessing some opposing lawyers and businessmen want to crush him much more harder than what average people should. I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49684418]the drug now costs more to insurance not individuals it's hilarious to see people try to do mental gymnastics around this fact[/QUOTE] I don't know about your insurance, but most of them have you partially pay for your treatment, not cover it entirely outright.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;49688603]Did you watch the video? He claims most people can get it for free and most of the profits go towards R&D. I don't know how much is true or reliable, but you're claiming the opposite.[/QUOTE] That man could tell me the sky was blue and I'd have it independently fact checked. I do not believe a single word out of his mouth and neither should you. He'll say anything he can think of to get people off of his ass, to get them to stop suing him, to get the charges dropped. I 'spose he does have a point, though, I mean it is possible that most people would be able to steal the dosages they need at gunpoint... [QUOTE=Bat-shit;49689224] Show me proof of people suffering from Shrkeli's actions then, directly or even indirectly getting fucked over. [/quote] Mm, yes, let's just google up someone's medical bills showing them put into lifelong crippling debt because they needed daraprim and their insurance didn't cover enough of the exorbitant cost. Totally public information!
I don't really claim to understand how the Pharma industry works. And for all I know the Shkreli guy is the anit-christ or the angel of mercy. But for christ sakes if he hadn't gone out on twitter, acted like an asshole and than made all these shallow videos, responses and threats to people he wouldn't be as universally hated as he is now. If he showed some humility, and tried to explain what he did the first time rather than become some arrogant ass people probably wouldn't want to burn him at the stake.
[QUOTE=TestECull;49699437] Mm, yes, let's just google up someone's medical bills showing them put into lifelong crippling debt because they needed daraprim and their insurance didn't cover enough of the exorbitant cost. Totally public information![/QUOTE] You're not gonna find it because it didn't happen because the company gives the medication for free to anyone who doesn't have insurance.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49684418]the drug now costs more to insurance not individuals it's hilarious to see people try to do mental gymnastics around this fact[/QUOTE] wishful thinking, i hope you don't have an 11k prescription that has to be taken precisely on time, and have to wait for the insurance company to drag its feet approving it each time, then randomly dropping it from their list of covered drugs and insisting that some other drug will work, even when it clearly doesn't [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;49700116]You're not gonna find it because it didn't happen because the company gives the medication for free to anyone who doesn't have insurance.[/QUOTE] those programs are PR stunts [quote]Many drug companies use “assistance programs” to lower co-pays for patients, shifting the costs to insurance companies. Memos from Valeant and Turing show that the assistance programs were a pure public relations maneuver to induce the use of unnecessarily high-priced drugs by hiding the costs. Ultimately, everyone pays higher insurance premiums as a result.[/quote] [url]http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/02/04/Why-Martin-Shkreli-Has-Been-Godsend-Drug-Industry[/url] we the insured pay more for these "free" drug programs, they get off by looking generous
Tbh he's an asshole, but now a shotload of companies have lower prices for a copy of the drug, even lower than the 12$ originally
I like Shkreli in a weird sort of way. I mean, he's a disgusting human being, but he's pure capitalism with no subtlety, bringing out into the open just how broken the healthcare system is, while the lawmakers responsible for that system splutter and get outraged that he isn't appropriately deferring and polite and admitting he did a [i]bad thing[/i] and won't do it again. He admits no fault because by the rules of the system, he did no fault. He responded to supply and demand like a good capitalist and now Americans are starting to realize that capitalism is not the solution here. He's the epitome of 'don't hate the player, hate the game'. He's doing exactly what the big pharma companies have been doing for years, he's just doing it in a smug, oh-so-punchable, overt and obvious way instead of doing it slowly, secretly, and massaged by legions of PR people. The system encourages healthcare companies to be greedy and exploitative, and Shkreli makes it clear why that system isn't a good way to run things. It's not much consolation for the people suffering from toxoplasmosis, but Shkreli might do more good for the American healthcare system than the last ten years of petitioning for reform combined.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49700095]But for christ sakes if he hadn't gone out on twitter, acted like an asshole and than made all these shallow videos, responses and threats to people he wouldn't be as universally hated as he is now. If he showed some humility, and tried to explain what he did the first time rather than become some arrogant ass people probably wouldn't want to burn him at the stake.[/QUOTE] If there was something to explain in the first place - isn't it the media's fault for not bringing it up? Should one have to be nice to get the right story out there?
I don't care how much of a hidden genius he is or if he's trying to 'expose' the way Big Pharma works. He's been an unrepentant dick. The sense of being the smartest person in the room has to take a backseat to human decency. It's not excusable to speak in code and then mock everyone for not being smart enough to find the salvation in your words, that's just called being a dodgy asshole even -if- you have good intentions. Shkreli isn't out to prove anything, and if he is, he's doing an awful job of it because his smug, unapologetic personality has engendered total hatred to him. Incidentally, was trying to prevent the development of breast cancer/melanoma scanning techniques and inhalable insulin part of his genius plan as well, or was that just him being a jackass?
Drug prices are stuck in a vicious upward cycle. Whenever a patient makes a claim, insurance companies try to lower costs by negotiating the prices of drugs down with pharmaceutical companies. In response, drug companies quote higher and higher prices to maintain revenues and profitability. Until a single-payer system is put in place that can negotiate prices across the board, high drug prices will remain a recurring problem.
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