Trump adviser "accidentally" reveals border wall and immigrant tracking plans - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51408707]This is a non-sequitor whataboutism. Address the actual conversation please.[/QUOTE] Good fallacy fallacy, I respect your copious use of buzzwords

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51408707]This is a non-sequitor whataboutism. Address the actual conversation please.[/QUOTE] 9/11 is a statistical outlier. Would you be using the Oklahoma City bombing to say that white conservatives were inherently violent?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51408707]This is a non-sequitor whataboutism. Address the actual conversation please.[/QUOTE] Being proven wrong is not going off topic, as much as you want to believe it. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51408726]Your statistics dont match your claims[/QUOTE] They actually match perfectly because both his statistics and claims are bullshit.

Why do we even let them call themselves the party of fiscal responsibility when they love introducing expensive useless shit like this while barely even pretending to try to pay for it.

[QUOTE=Levelog;51408445]Gotta reduce that whopping 12k Syrian refugees we took in to zero next year. We can't take another population boost like that.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure they flew into the country.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51408491][t]https://americanmexorist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/113529.jpg[/t] They do cost this country, mostly on the state level.[/QUOTE] Okay but is that gross loss or is that just a net expenditure before any actual income is taken into account? The infographic helpfully leaves the important details out because FAIR have a long history of being shady motherfuckers.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51408481]Mexico has voting ID laws, Canada has voting ID laws, pretty much every country in the world has voting ID laws. Why should we be any different?[/QUOTE] Because our country uses Voter ID laws as a form of voter suppression. We can have Voter ID laws as long as the ID is free via mail. Otherwise, it's too easy to use as a suppression tactic.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51408715]If I am in a room with a Muslim, a Christian, and a Buddhist, I am statistically in more danger from the Muslim. That is what per capita means.[/QUOTE] The sad thing is that this is not the first time I have witnessed someone run around in circles when confronted with evidence that they cannot answer for.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51408847]Because our country uses Voter ID laws as a form of voter suppression. We can have Voter ID laws as long as the ID is free via mail. Otherwise, it's too easy to use as a suppression tactic.[/QUOTE] At the very least, non-photo ID. Texas will let you declare at the polls a "reasonable impediment" for not having one of the photo IDs, and with that you can use the following, which is a pretty decent list: [quote] Valid voter registration certificate Certified birth certificate (must be an original) Copy of or original current utility bill Copy of or original bank statement Copy of or original government check Copy of or original paycheck Copy of or original government document with your name and an address (original required if it contains a photograph)[/quote] I think this way is pretty reasonable and fair, especially since the registration certificate is basically the mailed in ID.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51408491][t]https://americanmexorist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/113529.jpg[/t] They do cost this country, mostly on the state level.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, stats brought to us by the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Truly a trusted source

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51408416]Ideological test for migrants. Oh boy oh boy oh boy.[/QUOTE] The United States already does that to an extent for those seeking US Citizenship. They have to answer question of if they have supported or been members of Communists/Nazi political parties as well as if they have supported any similar movements. Their answer can actually be a deal breaker.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51408698] No reason exists to not have photo ID laws. It's not even a party line issue, it's a simple logistics issue.[/QUOTE] It's blatantly a party line issue when in-person voter fraud is statistically miniscule and the Republican plans to "solve" this non-problem disproportionately target people who just so happen to vote Democrat. Wow what a bizarre coincidence. [editline]21st November 2016[/editline] Also do you have a source on the claim that employers are required by the federal government to see ID before hiring someone because that wasn't the case at atleast two jobs I had. Speaking from personal experience, if you know your SSN you can get pretty far in life without a hard copy.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51408491][t]https://americanmexorist.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/113529.jpg[/t] They do cost this country, mostly on the state level.[/QUOTE] [highlight]Absolute fucking shame on you for linking this.[/highlight] You might as well of fucking linked an infowars infographic showing a corolation betweeen vaccines and autism because at least its less offensive than this bullshit propaganda that you linked. These are their numbers for California: [url]http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/state_infographics/California2014.pdf[/url] The way that they come up with these numbers is this: (Total Number of Illegal Immigrants In that State that [highlight]QUALIFY[/HIGHLIGHT] for receiving that service + [highlight]TOTAL NUMBER OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT WERE BORN FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT QUALIFY FOR THAT SERVICE[/highlight]) x Average cost per Citizen in that State. [img]http://i.imgur.com/cu51LZs.png[/img] [url]http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/CaliforniaCostStudy_2014-v3.pdf[/url] This assumes that: - ALL IMMIGRANTS FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE ILLEGAL - ALL IMMIGRANTS TAKE THESE SERVICES - THAT THE READER IS DUMB ENOUGH TO NOT QUESTION THE SOURCE [editline]4[/editline] And even when you correct everything that's wrong about this, it's probably going to show that illegal immigrants take more than what they put it because THAT'S HOW THE AMERICAN TAX SYSTEM WORKS. The lower class pays the least amount of taxes (unless of course, you want to bring up how wealthy people pay no taxes at all but that's a whole different issue!).

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51408863]The sad thing is that this is not the first time I have witnessed someone run around in circles when confronted with evidence that they cannot answer for.[/QUOTE] It's a proud sensationalist headlines tradition Now we just have to wait for him to bail out of the thread citing the Facepunch hivemind and/or liberal echo chamber and he'll have gone all the way

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51408678]Are you guys disputing the fact that Muslims, 0.9% of the US population, commit more violent terrorist attacks per capita than other groups?[/QUOTE] "the fact"

The illegal immigrants could all be noble prize laureates (even though Mexico has only produced 3 ever lmao) for all I care and I'd still want them all gone. They broke a law to get here and disrespected our borders, if they aren't willing to come here legally, I don't want them here at all.

[QUOTE=wystan;51410193]The illegal immigrants could all be noble prize laureates (even though Mexico has only produced 3 ever lmao) for all I care and I'd still want them all gone. They broke a law to get here and disrespected our borders, if they aren't willing to come here legally, I don't want them here at all.[/QUOTE] but, a large number of them come here legally, but stay when their pass runs out

[QUOTE=J!NX;51410201]but, a large number of them come here legally, but stay when their pass runs out[/QUOTE] So they a broke a law, and continued to knowingly break said law to stay here.

Spending millions of dollars on a huge, stupid wall that likely won't actually do anything to stop immigrants? What could go wrong!?

Ok here's my issue, why is there even such a thing as Illegal Immigration? i mean at the end of the day countries are based on man made borders dictation by a population occupying that current section of land......but isn't the world technically for everybody who lives on it?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51408419]You know, Trump and his ilk spout so much shit about international terror. What are their plans to curtail domestic terrorists? They know that brown people aren't the only ones prone to extremist views, right?[/QUOTE] He gets stuck in a loop.

[QUOTE=wystan;51410204]So they a broke a law, and continued to knowingly break said law to stay here.[/QUOTE] Im gonna fucking laugh when you guys kick all the illegals out and our economy takes a hit from it. Being against something purely on principle is just as bad as blind faith.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51410575]Breaking a retarded law shouldnt make someone a criminal a la a rapist or murderer[/QUOTE] It's not a retarded law, a country can't withstand infinite unrestricted immigration [editline]22nd November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;51411272]Im gonna fucking laugh when you guys kick all the illegals out and our economy takes a hit from it. Being against something purely on principle is just as bad as blind faith.[/QUOTE] The only people who benefit from illegal immigration are employers who don't want to pay or treat their workers fairly. This is why actual citizens won't do the same jobs since actual citizens will demand employers respect their humans rights. Illegal workers are pretty much bad for everyone involved other than the employer. [editline]22nd November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Source;51410737]Ok here's my issue, why is there even such a thing as Illegal Immigration? i mean at the end of the day countries are based on man made borders dictation by a population occupying that current section of land......but isn't the world technically for everybody who lives on it?[/QUOTE] Because when millions of people pile into one country with limited resources things tend to go badly.

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Everytime I start looking at areas of the border on Google Maps, I see how illogical it really, truly is. One thing I've noticed is that there are plenty of businesses and "friendly" infrastructure, like waterparks and restaurants. I really think the majority of border towns have learned to live pretty peacefully with the bordering Mexico, and simply looking at aerial maps does show that. It can't be ignored that there is a lot of drug cartel violence in some specific areas. But trying to stop them from getting in is the wrong effort to focus on. Why not just take away their reasons to come in to begin with? If you think about it, a lot of crime has some sort of (selfish) reasoning behind it, no? With focusing on drug crime, legalization would help, since the black market would start to dwindle if the legal stuff is any good, regardless of the drug. [video=youtube;0wk6rswxQro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wk6rswxQro[/video]