• A man accidently shot a carjacking victim in the head.
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Source: [url]http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/09/27/one-man-injured-after-carjacking-shooting-at-gas-station/72923278/[/url] [QUOTE]HOUSTON -- One man is injured after a carjacking and shooting at a gas station in north Houston Saturday night.[/QUOTE] It's a super short article, but Christ, picking up the shell casings of your near homicidal fuck-up is criminal-minded as hell.
Jesus Christ I think shooting them over a truck is a little bit of an over reaction. Also, don't fucking shoot a gun around a gas station, dumbass
they should charge this guy
[quote]Houston police responded to a shooting call around 11:15 p.m. Saturday at a Valero gas station on Jensen Drive at Reid Street in north Houston. Officials say two men jumped another man in the gas station parking lot and took the victim's Chevrolet pickup truck. Police say a witness then pulled out a gun and began shooting at the suspects, accidentally hitting the carjacking victim in the head.[/quote] The fact they jumped him and stole the car is what excuses him pulling the gun to me. Sure if he gets charged with anything I won't defend it, but I can see why he did it. There's a hell of a difference in mindset between pulling out your gun after someone sneaks into your car to drive away, and someone roughing you up for your car keys before taking off.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48782534]The fact they jumped him and stole the car is what excuses him pulling the gun to me. Sure if he gets charged with anything I won't defend it, but I can see why he did it. There's a hell of a difference in mindset between pulling out your gun after someone sneaks into your car to drive away, and someone roughing you up for your car keys before taking off.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, the carjackers created the situation and should have to face the same charges as the shooter as well as grand theft auto/assault. Had they not created the situation by jumping him and stealing his car he wouldn't have been put in a situation where he was shot in the head.
[QUOTE=Charades;48782586]In my opinion, the carjackers created the situation and should have to face the same charges as the shooter as well as grand theft auto/assault. Had they not created the situation by jumping him and stealing his car he wouldn't have been put in a situation where he was shot in the head.[/QUOTE] He probably didnt mean to shoot the guy in the head either, so...
[QUOTE=kweh;48782796]He probably didnt mean to shoot the guy in the head either, so...[/QUOTE] Regardless, when you brandish a gun in public you are creating a MASSIVE risk for everyone around you.
Don't self-defense laws only apply when a life is in danger, not for property?
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48782933]Don't self-defense laws only apply when a life is in danger, not for property?[/QUOTE] No, I remember some guy in Texas shooting two burglars dead even though they weren't breaking into his home. Also, considering the fact that the two suspects jumped the guy, deadly force could have been warranted.
America, the only place someone can think "better shoot/potentially kill these guys stealing a car" instead of "that poor guy just got his car stolen, I'll go see how he's doing and remind him that his insurance will cover it or that the police will find the car"
this is why the only people who should be allowed to brandish a gun in situations like these are people who have gone through rigorous training for these types of situations, i.e. police officers. the average citizen with a gun trying to be a hero is a massive risk to bystanders.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48782534]The fact they jumped him and stole the car is what excuses him pulling the gun to me. Sure if he gets charged with anything I won't defend it, but I can see why he did it. There's a hell of a difference in mindset between pulling out your gun after someone sneaks into your car to drive away, and someone roughing you up for your car keys before taking off.[/QUOTE] you kidding? this dude escalated the situation completely needlessly and literally shot the victim in the head and then attempted to hide his actions by picking up the fucking shell casings jesus, it reeks of mens rea you've got to be kidding how can anyone defend dumb shit like this? the article states they had already taken the car, if that's an accurate account of the story the victim was likely no longer in any serious danger (except for the dude who decided to pull a gun and accidentally shot him in the head)
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48782933]Don't self-defense laws only apply when a life is in danger, not for property?[/QUOTE] Depends on the state. Many states have their law as defense of life and property.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48783062]Don't steal cars if you don't want to get shot :v: Real fucking simple[/QUOTE] also don't get carjacked if you don't want to get shot by a witness, apparently
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;48783062]Don't steal cars if you don't want to get shot :v: Real fucking simple[/QUOTE] what? that's got nothing to do with what I said what I'm saying is that in any other country nobody would've been shot, the victim would've just made an insurance claim or reported it to the police and got his car back [editline]29th September 2015[/editline] surely that's the sensible solution here?
[QUOTE=zerosix;48783106]what? that's got nothing to do with what I said what I'm saying is that in any other country nobody would've been shot, the victim would've just made an insurance claim or reported it to the police and got his car back [editline]29th September 2015[/editline] surely that's the sensible solution here?[/QUOTE] nah, you don't understand the american way. if someone dares touch my (or someone elses') property i whip out my nine do a backflip and pop pop watch me accidentally shoot a bystander in the cock
Isn't it amazing that the good guy had a gun to defend against the bad guys ! Oh...right. :wink:
I value my property much more than I do the well being of any criminal. Especially something worth as much as a car or truck etc. That being said, I'd be sure of any shot as best I could before I take it so stuff like this wouldn't happen, hopefully.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48782933]Don't self-defense laws only apply when a life is in danger, not for property?[/QUOTE] Even over here you can go as far as necessary to prevent the crime/harm to yourself. Of course there'd be a really long investigation if you actually killed someone in the process. I don't think it's anywhere near legal if you're not the victim, but I admit I know next to nothing about that law both here and in the US.
[QUOTE=zerosix;48783026]America, the only place someone can think "better shoot/potentially kill these guys stealing a car" instead of "that poor guy just got his car stolen, I'll go see how he's doing and remind him that his insurance will cover it or that the police will find the car"[/QUOTE] Uh, losing your car, even temporarily, can pretty drastically ruin someone's life here, we're much MUCH more dependent on personal motor transportation than the U.K. is. And insurance companies here like to pretend that their consumers don't exist the second they think they might have to actually give them money back. Also if you think america's the only fucked up place because in the heat of a robbery situation someone might get trigger happy, I think you forgot about 50% of the rest of the world's land mass.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;48783219]I value my property much more than I do the well being of any criminal.[/QUOTE] this is ironically just a reversed phrasing of the same rationalization that would lead someone to crime
[QUOTE=zerosix;48783026]America, the only place someone can think "better shoot/potentially kill these guys stealing a car" instead of "that poor guy just got his car stolen, I'll go see how he's doing and remind him that his insurance will cover it or that the police will find the car"[/QUOTE]"Hey, don't worry, insurance will cover it!" "What? [I]What?[/I] Do you think I can afford full fucking coverage?" "Well at least the police will find it..." "Oh thanks a fucking lot. Will they drive me to work too? How about take my kid to school tomorrow morning? Just fucking go, okay? Just leave me alone." That's how that would likely go. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] There's a reason why grand theft auto is a felony.
Something to keep in mind, there is very little information around this. Also all news stations are reporting each other's articles. I'm pretty certain there isn't enough information at this point.
Lol I didn't even realize the asshole picked up his shell casings and fled the scene too. I kinda hope he gets charged with something now.
[QUOTE=ccg;48783719]Lol I didn't even realize the asshole picked up his shell casings and fled the scene too. I kinda hope he gets charged with something now.[/QUOTE] You would be a fucking absolute retard if you leave without your shells.
It's like a hit and run, except with a gun instead of a car. He probably would have been fine if he'd have stuck around to explain he thought the other guy's life was in danger. By removing evidence and leaving he has forfeited any benefit of the doubt.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48782534]The fact they jumped him and stole the car is what excuses him pulling the gun to me. Sure if he gets charged with anything I won't defend it, but I can see why he did it. There's a hell of a difference in mindset between pulling out your gun after someone sneaks into your car to drive away, and someone roughing you up for your car keys before taking off.[/QUOTE] Whaaaaaatt the fuuucck Jesus fucking christ, how in the hell is it excusable to pull out a gun and start shooting in the general direction of carjackers [i]after [/i]they steal the guys car. [quote]Officials say two men jumped another man in the gas station parking lot and took the victim's Chevrolet pickup truck. Police say a witness then pulled out a gun and began shooting at the suspects, accidentally hitting the carjacking victim in the head.[/quote] Unless the reporting of the order of this comes off inaccurately, it appears that the shooter began shooting at them after the guys were in the car, which means that the shooter's actions would not have prevented the man from coming to harm. I don't understand why people so vehemently are ready to risk their lives and the lives of others to defend property. It's not worth anyone's life. I do understand that in these types of situations the right thing to do might not always be clear, but someone with a gun has to keep a cool head, and know when not to use it, which in this situation, definitely not. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48783521]"Hey, don't worry, insurance will cover it!" "What? [I]What?[/I] Do you think I can afford full fucking coverage?" "Well at least the police will find it..." "Oh thanks a fucking lot. Will they drive me to work too? How about take my kid to school tomorrow morning? Just fucking go, okay? Just leave me alone." That's how that would likely go. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] There's a reason why grand theft auto is a felony.[/QUOTE] So, we must either socialize the auto-insurance industry, or regulate the system so that having full coverage of your auto is affordable for the lower class. You can't weasel your morality around a corrupt situation, you must change the system to fit fairness and morality. Because we can do it, there's no question of that, we just don't. We see the rage and the mind blurring chaos around us, and we do nothing about it, not because we are powerless, but because we just don't. We drive all of our observations of hurt and injustice into ourselves by dodging them and distracting ourselves, we get used to a world where everything is so fucked up, and in such a bald-faced manner, every goddamned thing is so overpriced, driven so far because that's as far as they can possibly push it before people will stop paying. Everyone here stays more or less in the same social class because all of our income pays for empty prices on the things that we need in this society, and the only reason that nothing ever gets better is because everyone accepts that it's how the world is, and they convince themselves that there's nothing that they themselves can do to change it. They stuff the way they think that things should be under the mattress so that they can jerk off to it on Sundays. Killing anyone for any reason other than self defense in unequivocally morally wrong, any system which could be considered to force your hand must be reformed, yet the fact remains.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;48783751]You would be a fucking absolute retard if you leave without your shells.[/QUOTE] You would be a fucking absolute retard to contaminate a crime scene too.
The Use of a firearm here is completely justified, car jacking can and are deadly even if you;re not having a gun pointed at your face. Now where the shooter fucked up is picking up the casings and fleeing the scene. I'm sure he crapped his pants when he realized he accidentally shot the victim, but now he's in a world of hurt in not only a criminal court a but in civil as well. Had he stayed at the scene and tried to help the guy the law would have protected him from criminal and civil proceedings (assuming that there was nothing nefarious found in the investigation).
[QUOTE=G-Wash;48783792]So, we must either socialize the auto-insurance industry, or regulate the system so that having full coverage of your auto is affordable for the lower class. You can't weasel your morality around a corrupt situation, you must change the system to fit fairness and morality.[/QUOTE]He said going over and consoling the guy would be a good idea, I pointed out his conversational topics were likely not going to go over well. That's all I did. [QUOTE=G-Wash;48783792]They stuff the way they think that things should be under the mattress so that they can jerk off to it on Sundays.[/QUOTE]wat [QUOTE=G-Wash;48783792]Killing anyone for any reason other than self defense in unequivocally morally wrong,[/QUOTE]No it isn't. There's plenty of scenarios where killing somebody is morally acceptable outside of self-defense such as defending the life of somebody else, for example. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] And no, we don't need to reform a system that "forces your hand," I don't want to live in a world where a criminal can basically go "NANANANA NOT TOUCHING YOU" as he prowls through my house taking my shit and then at the last minute kills my family before I can react. This guy was completely A-OK here but the guy fucked up in three ways: not practicing proper firearm safety, panicking and collecting his shell casings when that went wrong, and then fleeing the scene.
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