• One teen dies after taking synthetic drug; second face criminal charges
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[QUOTE=Paramud;36454813]He's not being convicted of murder, he's being convicted of manslaughter. Because of his irresponsible actions, he indirectly killed someone. It's not at all like a shop keeper selling alcohol, because they make sure that people are of legal age before they sell alcohol to them. They take precautions to make sure that they're selling to (usually) responsible adults.[/QUOTE] No it's exactly the same as the shop keeper analogy, you can easily get alcohol from a shop keeper if you're underage and either way it's still down to the person who ingests the drug, no one else. Not one single fucker apart from the now dead kid, is responsible for them doing the drug. [b]No one.[/b] [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AeroSinthetic;36454794]Honestly I will never see the appeal of drugs and alcohol and such, but it seems the best method to save lives would be to legalize and educate. People usually don't wan't to die, so they probably won't if they know what they're doing.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, almost every drug on Earth can be taken and they won't cause death.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36454839]No it's exactly the same as the shop keeper analogy, you can easily get alcohol from a shop keeper if you're underage and either way it's still down to the person who ingests the drug, no one else. Not one single fucker apart from the now dead kid, is responsible for them doing the drug. [b]No one.[/b] [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] Believe it or not, almost every drug on Earth can be taken and they won't cause death.[/QUOTE] but didnt he tell the guy it was a different drug to what it actually was
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36454839]No it's exactly the same as the shop keeper analogy, you can easily get alcohol from a shop keeper if you're underage and either way it's still down to the person who ingests the drug, no one else. Not one single fucker apart from the now dead kid, is responsible for them doing the drug. [b]No one.[/b] [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] Believe it or not, almost every drug on Earth can be taken and they won't cause death.[/QUOTE] So when you buy alcohol and get completely trashed and puking and become unconscious, it is the responsibility of the shop owner to call on you every half hour to make sure you are okay and to take you to the hospital? I read the article yesterday, but if I understood it correctly the kid needed help and they just wanted to lay him down and say he needs some time to cool off... This is a COMPLETELY different story than a shop owner selling you alcohol...
99 percent of the time that method of approach with psychadelics does work though, it really depends on what they actually thought he had and how much they thought he had to say whether they did the wrong thing.
[QUOTE=Squad;36454918]So when you buy alcohol and get completely trashed and puking and become unconscious, it is the responsibility of the shop owner to call on you every half hour to make sure you are okay and to take you to the hospital? I read the article yesterday, but if I understood it correctly the kid needed help and they just wanted to lay him down and say he needs some time to cool off... This is a COMPLETELY different story than a shop owner selling you alcohol...[/QUOTE] You just got the complete opposite of the point I'm trying to make. What I'm saying is, that in both cases if you get yourself fucked up on vodka or whatever your drug of choice may be, the dealer shouldn't be held accountable for someone being a retard because the dealer isn't forcing you take the drug. If you knowingly take the drug of your own freewill it's down to you and no one else. [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Stormcharger;36454898]but didnt he tell the guy it was a different drug to what it actually was[/QUOTE] Must have misread that part, if that's what happened then fair enough, charge the douchebag.
25inbome is not 2CI. 25inbome is active at 500microgram range, where as 2ci is active at 10mg... and the only case i heard of 2ci death was when dude snorted 300mg of 2ci... 25inbomes are some sketchy shit, this shit can be had so easily there in slovenia.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;36455395]25inbome is not 2CI. 25inbome is active at 500microgram range, where as 2ci is active at 10mg... and the only case i heard of 2ci death was when dude snorted 300mg of 2ci... 25inbomes are some sketchy shit, this shit can be had so easily there in slovenia.[/QUOTE] Its not sketchy if you know what you are doing
guess he didn't realise 25i is active at about 300 micrograms [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Stormcharger;36454662]Hey man thats not how 25i-nbome was made, it was made by alexander shulgin and is in the pihkal book which was published in 1991, a lot of these RC's have been around for a long time and people educated in the psychadelic community have been able to enjoy them responsibly and safely, there will always be the same demand for them. [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] It takes skilled people to make this stuff not just anyone[/QUOTE] actually it was discovered in the early 2000's then researched by David e Nichols
[QUOTE=Reader;36453996]I have done it and I know my stuff. It can give psychosis to fairly sane person.[/QUOTE] What? That's complete bullshit. If you don't have any deep inner conflicts or problems, are happy about yourself and aren't afraid of a trip there is absolutely no way that a "fairly sane" person can get a psychosis from LSD.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36448868]you left out the part where in both cases, the vast majority of people [B]will not abstain[/B], making that approach entirely useless[/QUOTE] Yeah but unlike getting high, people have a natural urge to have sex. I personally don't get a boner when I see a spliff lying in front of me. Was a crappy analogy anyway
[QUOTE=joe588;36455711]guess he didn't realise 25i is active at about 300 micrograms [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] actually it was discovered in the early 2000's then researched by David e Nichols[/QUOTE] woops my bad
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36448238]..what? "rather than legalizing drugs, just don't do them!" do you not see the connection to abstinence here[/QUOTE] No one suggested abstinence as an alternative to legalisation
[QUOTE=Ghost656;36454070]I think you should care more about your health. [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] Oh, so the only social recreation you have is drugs? Your life must be interesting.[/QUOTE] I said [i]other recreation[/i], which could be anything, but personally, I'd rather do something else than play garry's mod or any video game for that long, drugs just happen to be a viable option for me and many other people. If it isn't an option for you, that's fine, but your personal beliefs shouldn't interfere with what I put in my body.
[QUOTE=RobbL;36455950]Yeah but unlike getting high, people have a natural urge to have sex. I personally don't get a boner when I see a spliff lying in front of me. Was a crappy analogy anyway[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RobbL;36455994]No one suggested abstinence as an alternative to legalisation[/QUOTE] killer reading skills
Two things in this thread I never understood: 1. Taking a drug you have done little to no research on. 2. Using strict abstinence to lengthen your life span. What's life for if you cant have some fun? [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] NOTE: I am not trying to say that drugs are the only way to have fun.
personally i quite enjoy being a guinea pig
Lol @ drugs in general. They cause such a shit storm.
needs moar volumetric dosing
[QUOTE=Paradox621;36447954]I don't understand why anyone would dose on something without even knowing what it is. This goes double for research chemicals. That said, I knew plenty of people who tried 2c-i, and none of them died - just goes to show how little we know about RCs.[/QUOTE]They mixed in an unknown amount of 2C-I when it's active in the milligrams and should be scaled accordingly. Not mixed with some chocolate and eating a random amount. That's how he overdosed and died. edit (automerge was broken): Even with that said, this wasn't 2C-I but a similar chemical which is active at even lower doses and even easier to overdose on.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;36461611]They mixed in an unknown amount of 2C-I when it's active in the milligrams and should be scaled accordingly. Not mixed with some chocolate and eating a random amount. That's how he overdosed and died.[/QUOTE] what he said
Even with that said, this wasn't 2C-I but a similar chemical which is active at even lower doses and even easier to overdose on. [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] god dammit rediscover broke my automerge
To everyone who's tried to say things about drugs, usually negative, ahve no place to speak. Unless you've taken the drug, you have no fucking clue what it can do, I don't care who told you what it can do, until you've experienced it you should have nothing to say as far as the effects and what it can do to your body. this is fact too, considering even if someone tells you something, that doesn't make it true regardless of who it is telling you, only you will know for sure if you do that one thing. oh and haha "so if I'm told jumping off a bridge will kill me, I should do it anyway to make sure" no use common sense in that aspect, but use it here too, why would soooooooo many people choose to try and take drugs if they were sooo fucking bad for you. It certainly isn't addiction.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;36455870]What? That's complete bullshit. If you don't have any deep inner conflicts or problems, are happy about yourself and aren't afraid of a trip there is absolutely no way that a "fairly sane" person can get a psychosis from LSD.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? I'm pretty sure every human being has at least some deep internal conflict, and im also pretty sure most human beings aren't completely happy with themselves either. You don't have to be bat shit insane to have deep internal conflicts, they're a part of ALOT of people's lives.
I apologize for not being clearer earlier; also for not looking into the chemical name itself. Assumed it was some reporter who hadn't done their research. The manslaughter with shrooms post was just to provide an example of the thought behind punishing people like his friend, who supplied the substance to him, thus "technically" allowing him to kill himself. I've read the article a few more times now, and I have to say, I am fucking astounded that they didn't get him help any sooner. When someone's unresponsive, no matter what they're doing (with the exception of DMT) it's time to call 911.
[QUOTE=killover;36450505] operating heavy machinery, or driving, and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE] Operating heavy machinery IS driving
Some of the information in this article is painfully incorrect. It's already been said, but 25i-NBOMe is not 2C-I. Also, it was entirely pointless to say "synthetic" in the title. Most drugs are synthetic, and many people have died taking natural drugs. It's just one of those words that scares people I guess.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36452969]Yeah but he didn't make the guy take it, now if he force fed the dude the stuff then yeah 25 years sounds good but the fact of the matter is the dealer provides a service, nothing else. It's like sentencing a shop keeper who sold a guy alcohol who then went on to drink drive.[/QUOTE] He should have told him the dosage. 25i-NBOMe is active at 500micrograms, if he had mixed it in a chocolate bar, I'm assuming he put way more than a few milligrams. This is exactly why people need to research their shit before jumping head first into these things. Drugs are dangerous, and consuming research chemicals is like playing Russian roulette. If the kid was easily able to get Weed, Shrooms, or Acid in the first place, he wouldn't have messed with this shit.
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