• German SPD backs talks with Angela Merkel, hoping for a future "United States of Europe"
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52957986]Ttip is pro big Corp. Giving companies the power to sue governments over "loss of future profits". Disputes are taken to arbitration, which are essentially closed courts and the arbitrators work for the companies, not for the governments. Sod that for a laugh, last thing we need is more power taken away from democratically elected representives of the people and given to private actors who's only merit/mandate to power is their vast wealth (which they were probably born with anyway!) Furthermore ttip would result in a race to the bottom where the UK (and other EU countries) would need to drop regulations, lower standards and employee protection to compete with the USA (less regulations, lower minimum wage, shit employee protections) and the cherry on the cake is ttip limiting government investment into public services because its "unfair" and anti competitive. I like the NHS. I pity my cross Atlantic amigos for their shit teir healthcare (and welfare) system (or lack thereof). I don't want the UK or any of Europe to be like America and ttip would make that happen. It does not serve the people. Trade is good, race to the bottom is not[/QUOTE] It's a deal that was being negotiated in secret, we don't even know the details of it and it was 5 years from being completed when it paused. Of course reject it or demand amendments once it comes out and countries are asked to ratify it, but a lot of this is based on rumors and dodgy leaks.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ok0expLH1o"]I dunno, 'United States Of Eurasia' rolls off the tongue better.[/URL]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52958541]Necessary step to make the shared currency thing work though. Euroskeptics gonna skeptic anyway[/QUOTE] A nation without its own fiscal policy is not a sovereign one. Just have benchmarks for each state and as long as they reach those, they should be free to do what they want. In other words, stick with the current Stability and Growth Compact, but enforce it better.
[QUOTE=Kecske;52960325]A nation without its own fiscal policy is not a sovereign one. Just have benchmarks for each state and as long as they reach those, they should be free to do what they want. In other words, stick with the current Stability and Growth Compact, but enforce it better.[/QUOTE] Aye thatd be better than what we have currently Euroskepticism would still yap angrily though. Might as well. Just go the whole hog and do it properly blad
[QUOTE=Irockz;52960132][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ok0expLH1o"]I dunno, 'United States Of Eurasia' rolls off the tongue better.[/URL][/QUOTE] Well unfortunately Russia already stole "Eurasian Union" for it's own little economic union.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52958502]There is good reason for the EU getting more centralised. EU has shared currency to ease trade, EU has shared regulations and no tariffs to ease trade. Both a shared currency and shared regulations are difficult to manage without share fiscal policy, if you have that then you've effectively got a centralised government. Might as well take the jump and commit to it rather than teetering on the edge while the euroskeptics whinge anyway and the lack of shared fiscal policy brings out problems like greece.[/QUOTE] That's a huge leap and if not executed just right will disconnect leaders from the people even further and create a stronger foothold for oligopolies
United Federal European Republics [editline]9th December 2017[/editline] Some European countries aren't republics though.
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