Poland's education minister denies Jewish massacres in the 1940s - Polidicks

I expected fash holocaust deniers to shitpost in this thread..I got what I was expecting.

[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;50709169]Oh dear, is antisemitism on the rise or am I just noticing it more?[/QUOTE] Go on almost any holocaust video on youtube and you'll see the Neo Nazi skin head cunts denying the holocaust and being typical fucktards. [editline]14th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;50709169]Oh dear, is antisemitism on the rise or am I just noticing it more?[/QUOTE] Alot of retards also try to make out that if the holocaust is real then you think Israel has never done anything wrong which is of course isn't true. But it's not like the Palestinians are innocent little angels either terrorism killing innocent people and suicide bombing isn't the answer either.

[QUOTE=Fourier;50710673]There was news on FP that Polish government admitted that Jews death rate was too high. Btw, you are American, your schools are known to be the idiotic, your government is known to spread bullshit and propaganda, why should I even listen to you?[/QUOTE] Ho boy, Russia, it's time to remove Fascism from Slovenia again.

[QUOTE=momoiro;50710926]deliberate ploy by the 6 million jews that didn't die during the fake holocaust[/QUOTE] They really need a report button for trolls and inbred retards on this site.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;50713391]They do have one.[/QUOTE] I stand corrected I never noticed that before.

[QUOTE=Fourier;50710673]There was news on FP that Polish government admitted that Jews death rate was too high. Btw, you are American, your schools are known to be the idiotic, your government is known to spread bullshit and propaganda, why should I even listen to you?[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/si.png[/IMG] So, first of all, let's look at the education index... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jOBoYaN.png[/IMG] Seems as if Americans, by average, get a lot more schooling than you guys do. But hey, that might not matter-- let's look at some test scores? [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/SJkTYtk.png[/thumb] That's odd. Seems our schools are doing a lot better than yours. But that makes no sense-- since we all know that Americans are all dumb, while Slovenians are all smart, bold, and intelligent university gradua-- [thumb]https://i.gyazo.com/a5310ed43bc7ce032cffbd5fada13f2a.png[/thumb] A 50% high-school graduation rate? Musty certainly be more than those 'idiotic' Americans, right? [thumb]https://i.gyazo.com/eebc0e116ca10e35d54d1bf13eb991b9.png[/thumb] Now that we've got that awful strawman out of the way, I'm going to use my [I]superior American education [/I]to logically conclude that you're absolutely nuts if you think there's a literal Jewish conspiracy to exaggerate the Holocaust.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50709216]It's like the Trump quotes, he didn't deny the massacre but pointed out it's vastly historically inaccurate to simply sum it up as "Poles burned Jews in a barn" as it was under the direction of the Ordnungspolizei; The National Police Service of Nazi Germany at the orders of Reinhard Heydrich, Director of the Reich Main Security Office & head of the Waffen SS.[/QUOTE] Read the article please. [quote]For decades, Polish society avoided discussions of those killings, or denied that Polish anti-Semitism motivated them. Sometimes Germans, who occupied Poland during World War II, were blamed for the Jedwabne killings. A turning point was the publication of a book, "Neighbors," in 2000 by Polish-American sociologist Jan Tomasz Gross, which explored the murder of Jedwabne's Jews by their Polish neighbors and resulted in widespread soul-searching and official state apologies.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Monkah;50713488][IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/si.png[/IMG] So, first of all, let's look at the education index... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jOBoYaN.png[/IMG] Seems as if Americans, by average, get a lot more schooling than you guys do. But hey, that might not matter-- let's look at some test scores? [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/SJkTYtk.png[/thumb] That's odd. Seems our schools are doing a lot better than yours. But that makes no sense-- since we all know that Americans are all dumb, while Slovenians are all smart, bold, and intelligent university gradua-- [thumb]https://i.gyazo.com/a5310ed43bc7ce032cffbd5fada13f2a.png[/thumb] A 50% high-school graduation rate? Musty certainly be more than those 'idiotic' Americans, right? [thumb]https://i.gyazo.com/eebc0e116ca10e35d54d1bf13eb991b9.png[/thumb] Now that we've got that awful strawman out of the way, I'm going to use my [I]superior American education [/I]to logically conclude that you're absolutely nuts if you think there's a literal Jewish conspiracy to exaggerate the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] I think you should use you superior American intellect and re-read the lower parts of your data, I think you completely messed up making your point. The Slovenian data is also over 10 years older than that of USA, and it basically states that in 1999 of people between 19-29 20% have not finished "upper-secondary education" aka highschool, which means more than 80% did finish it. And in workforce 78.7% also have high school or higher level of education. Which means Slovenia was basically on your 2012-2013 level already in 1999.

Gross made up a story about 1600 jews killed by 40 people with knives and pitchforks after torturing them for almost entire day. It's not like it didn't happen at all though. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle. 300-400 jews were murdered by around 40 poles after being instigated by nazi-wannabies (who later became nazi gendarmes) and nazis themselves who were present in Jedwabne at the time. So it wasn't a simple matter of "Hey lets go kill some jews cause they're jews!" but they still did it. Zalewska is a dolt.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50720464]The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle.[/QUOTE] That's one of the dumbest logical fallacies out there. What the fuck does that mean that truth is somewhere in the middle, truth ain't a missing sock lying somewhere between a bed and a drawer. Truth is where it is, either something is true or something is false, there are no half-measures. Gross exaggerated and fictionalized parts of real life event, but he did it to the point that it can be safely named a fiction (or if you're a whiner about it - "blatant lies and jewish propaganda"). Yes, some Poles killed Jews during the war. But incomparably more helped hiding them from the Nazis and suffered even worse consequences for it. What's more, some Jews were collaborating with Nazis and were selling their people, but that was a permil among the nation that was majorly wiped out during the war. There were Germans that helped the Jews like Oscar Schindler but they were a small minority among Germans that either turned blind eye to the Nazi war crimes or actively helped it. War is hell. There are never 100% good sides and 100% bad sides. There's no black nor white, only shades of gray. It all depends on a context you put it. [editline]16th July 2016[/editline] And yes, that minister had a problem because she had to maintain the party line that says that historically Poles "dindu nuffin wrong" (which is false) in order to keep her job. So yeah, she's a moron, but a loyal party moron, that's enough to be a minister in this government.

[QUOTE=Joz;50720643]That's one of the dumbest logical fallacies out there. What the fuck does that mean that truth is somewhere in the middle, truth ain't a missing sock lying somewhere between a bed and a drawer. Truth is where it is, either something is true or something is false, there are no half-measures. [/QUOTE] What logical fallacy? It's nether 1600 or 0. How is that a fallacy? [QUOTE=Joz;50720643]Gross exaggerated and fictionalized parts of real life event, but he did it to the point that it can be safely named a fiction (or if you're a whiner about it - "blatant lies and jewish propaganda"). Yes, some Poles killed Jews during the war. But incomparably more helped hiding them from the Nazis and suffered even worse consequences for it. What's more, some Jews were collaborating with Nazis and were selling their people, but that was a permil among the nation that was majorly wiped out during the war. There were Germans that helped the Jews like Oscar Schindler but they were a small minority among Germans that either turned blind eye to the Nazi war crimes or actively helped it. War is hell. There are never 100% good sides and 100% bad sides. There's no black nor white, only shades of gray. It all depends on a context you put it. [editline]16th July 2016[/editline] And yes, that minister had a problem because she had to maintain the party line that says that historically Poles "dindu nuffin wrong" (which is false) in order to keep her job. So yeah, she's a moron, but a loyal party moron, that's enough to be a minister in this government.[/QUOTE] I don't know why you're explaining war to me.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50720691]Though Silly Sil, where does the 1600 figure come from? OP says 300.[/QUOTE] From the Mr. Gross'es book Zalewska referred to. The reference is in the OP. Just saying that Zalewska is right on Gross being wrong, but she's wrong herself by not saying 300 jews were murdered by poles.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50720669]What logical fallacy? It's nether 1600 or 0. How is that a fallacy?[/QUOTE] I'm guessing that he read [url=https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground]this[/url] and didn't realize that it doesn't apply in all situations.