• Video appears to capture off-duty LAPD officer firing gun during confrontation with teens
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51861427]I know this is a bit flimsy, so know I'm not putting that much weight behind this argument, but the way the kid says "sue", to me, makes his story a bit more believable (watch around 1:14).[/QUOTE] I would die if that whole time the guy had a lisp and kept saying "I'll sue you!" and it was received as "I'll shoot you!"
[QUOTE=dillspears;51861407]An off duty cop tells teens to get off his property. Uppity shithead teen threatens to shoot him. Cop rightfully doesn't let that threat fly.[/QUOTE] Were they on his property in the beginning of the video? Obviously not. He pulls the kid up next to his house because the kid got off his property, then almost shot him with his terrible trigger discipline. That power tripping asshole needs to lose his badge.
[QUOTE=OvB;51861448]Any other person in any other location wouldn't be off base thinking the adult was abusing the child. If the officers reasons for holding the kid are unlawful, he's probably gonna be in a world of hurt.[/QUOTE] There's people walking around saying "they've called the cops already" at one point in the video. I'm pretty sure most people there had no idea who the guy was, and it just looked like a power tripping creep, picking on a kid
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861469]Were they on his property in the beginning of the video? Obviously not. He pulls the kid up next to his house because the kid got off his property, then almost shot him with his terrible trigger discipline. That power tripping asshole needs to lose his badge.[/QUOTE] The problem here is we're essentially seeing the second half of a video but not the first half, so casting a judgement like that is pretty hard. Also is that his house?
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861388]An off duty cop unlawfully restrains a child then pulls out a gun when his friends try to help him? Funny thing is people will somehow defend this asshole.[/QUOTE] You can't say "unlawfully" when you don't know why the cop restrained him in the first place. If the cop is right and he said "I'll shoot you", then it's not unlawful because that's a threat. There's way too little information to jump to conclusions like these.
[QUOTE=Bernie Buddy;51861502]You can't say "unlawfully" when you don't know why the cop restrained him in the first place. If the cop is right and he said "I'll shoot you", then it's not unlawful because that's a threat. There's way too little information to jump to conclusions like these.[/QUOTE] Now idk how to link facebook vids but if you take a look at [url]https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.gonzalez.169/videos/1301715823229115/[/url] Its pretty clear that the kid isnt much of a threat or on the dudes property. Not to mention the fact that as an off duty officer he has no right to detain a person anyway.
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861523] Its pretty clear that the kid isnt much of a threat or on the dudes property. Not to mention the fact that as an off duty officer he has no right to detain a person anyway.[/QUOTE] If he did indeed threaten to shoot him, iirc that is actually grounds to get the police involved. Also you can detain people even if you're not a cop, im not too familiar on the details but a citizens arrest is a legit thing you can do under some circumstances. But we still need more context and investigation still i feel, it also doesnt help that the kid starts ramming himself into the dude. Also, do we know where he lives and what house is his? From the clearer sound in that and the way they were standing already it seems like the reason he's pulling him away is so he's not surrounded by the others.
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861523]Now idk how to link facebook vids but if you take a look at [url]https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.gonzalez.169/videos/1301715823229115/[/url] Its pretty clear that the kid isnt much of a threat or on the dudes property. Not to mention the fact that as an off duty officer he has no right to detain a person anyway.[/QUOTE] This video makes him look even more inept
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861523]Now idk how to link facebook vids but if you take a look at [url]https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.gonzalez.169/videos/1301715823229115/[/url] Its pretty clear that the kid isnt much of a threat or on the dudes property. Not to mention the fact that as an off duty officer he has no right to detain a person anyway.[/QUOTE] Since when did off duty officers not have the right to detain people? And we're still missing the very important part of [i]why[/i] this all started. Until we have that, I'm not going to make assumptions about who was right or wrong.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861534]If he did indeed threaten to shoot him, iirc that is actually grounds to get the police involved. Also you can detain people even if you're not a cop, im not too familiar on the details but a citizens arrest is a legit thing you can do under some circumstances. But we still need more context and investigation still i feel, it also doesnt help that the kid starts ramming himself into the dude. Also, do we know where he lives and what house is his? From the clearer sound in that and the way they were standing already it seems like the reason he's pulling him away is so he's not surrounded by the others.[/QUOTE] citizens arrests can only be valid if they have committed a felony, no court would ever agree a 13 year old badmouthing you is a felony...
[QUOTE=Sableye;51861557]citizens arrests can only be valid if they have committed a felony, no court would ever agree a 13 year old badmouthing you is a felony...[/QUOTE] Ah. Though i think threatening to shoot someone is a little more than regular badmouthing, looking into it, it seems a threat like that could be either a misdemeanor or a felony in California. (assuming the kid threatened him, anyway) [editline]22nd February 2017[/editline] Dont get me wrong though, i wouldnt really be surprised if he's just being a prick to some kid, ive heard a lot of bad shit about the LAPD.
The guy had no right to keep holding the kid, if he was trespassing then you call the cops and wait for them to arrive, it doesn't matter if he was a policeman himself since he was off-duty. He also fired his gun around all those kids, what if he ended up shooting one of them? Pretty reckless imo.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;51861574]The guy had no right to keep holding the kid, if he was trespassing then you call the cops and wait for them to arrive, it doesn't matter if he was a policeman himself since he was off-duty. He also fired his gun around all those kids, what if he ended up shooting one of them? Pretty reckless imo.[/QUOTE] The trespassing part isnt why he grabbed him, it was the (supposed) threat, he says so in the video.
Again, the Facebook video makes the guy's handling of the situation look even worse. I recommend everyone watch it before commenting. It shows everything a lot more clearly, including the cop's attitude and the moment the shot's fired [QUOTE=billibobc;51861523] [url]https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.gonzalez.169/videos/1301715823229115/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861577]The trespassing part isnt why he grabbed him, it was the (supposed) threat, he says so in the video.[/QUOTE] So if a kid threatens you why not just call the cops and wait in your house? wasn't he in his front lawn? Who in their right mind thinks about grabbing a kid and not letting him go while his friends are all around him and then fires a weapon near them?
The facebook video shows the shot looks very accidental or extremely stupid on the part of the cop since he fires it right next to the kid. That kid was very calm. I think if I were in the kids shoes, I'd be screaming "rape" or "child molester" to get the guy off me
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;51861585]So if a kid threatens you why not just call the cops and wait in your house? wasn't he in his front lawn? Who in their right mind thinks about grabbing a kid and not letting him go while his friends are all around him and then fires a weapon near them?[/QUOTE] Im not an LAPD officer so i wouldnt know :v: Thats just the reasoning he gave.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51861592]The facebook video shows the shot looks very accidental or extremely stupid on the part of the cop since he fires it right next to the kid[/QUOTE] Yeah thats what i thought while watching both. [editline]b[/editline] Fuck.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51861557]citizens arrests can only be valid if they have committed a felony, no court would ever agree a 13 year old badmouthing you is a felony...[/QUOTE] [URL="http://le.alcoda.org/publications/files/CITIZENSARREST.pdf"]Nope[/URL] [QUOTE]To arrest someone for a felony, an officer or civilian needs only probable cause. The same is true if the crime was a “wobbler,” meaning an offense that can be prosecuted as either a felony or a misdemeanor. [B]But if the crime was a straight misdemeanor or an infraction, there is an additional requirement: Unless exempt by statute, the crime must have been committed in the “presence” of the arresting person, whether it was a civilian or an officer.[/B][/QUOTE] And Citizen's Arrest is pointless, the dude is LEO
Honestly, as far as the kids were concerned, some nutcase took their friend hostage. All they have to go on is his word that he's a cop, and they're supposed to just believe him? I'd tackle the dude too in the same circumstances.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51861604]Honestly, as far as the kids were concerned, some nutcase took their friend hostage. All they have to go on is his word that he's a cop, and they're supposed to just believe him? I'd tackle the dude too in the same circumstances.[/QUOTE] Did he actually even say he was a cop?
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51861604]Honestly, as far as the kids were concerned, some nutcase took their friend hostage. All they have to go on is his word that he's a cop, and they're supposed to just believe him? I'd tackle the dude too in the same circumstances.[/QUOTE] And you'd go to jail. Cops were on the way and the kid wasn't in danger. Attacking him isn't justifiable and you'd be prosecuted.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51861626]And you'd go to jail. Cops were on the way and the kid wasn't in danger. Attacking him isn't justifiable and you'd be prosecuted.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but where I live, off duty, out of uniform cops aren't allowed to just grab kids off the street. If he felt threatened, he should have called some cops who actually were on duty, like everybody else has to. There isn't a court in the world who would convict you for decking some strange man trying to kidnap someone with no actual proof he's an authority figure. [QUOTE=AaronM202;51861621]Did he actually even say he was a cop?[/QUOTE] I couldn't hear it in the video, but jesus, if he didn't then he's just doubly stupid.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51861621]Did he actually even say he was a cop?[/QUOTE] I think he did but he failed horribly at it. One point in the video I heard one of the kids saying "You're not a cop!"
What the fuck was that guy thinking, did he think he was robo cop? Was he just going to drag the kid back into his lair to detain him like a giant trap door spider? The dude doesnt even have handcuffs lol he should have warned the kids to fuck off then call the cops.
Kidnapping? Lol. He was detaining the kid.
The Off-Duty cop is stupid as hell, I'm pretty sure he's going to get jail time for almost shooting the kid he was holding on to.
the cop is an idiot though i'm a bit more interested in what the kid in the red sweatshirt has in his hand at at the end of the confrontation, looks like a pen but i'm not sure why he would do that sick jump over that hedge holding a pen close to his head
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hpwRDmW.png[/IMG] Looks like the Cop won this one, but judging by the video he does tell them he's a cop and they do start to get violent with him. You can definitely see that him shooting is an accident as it happens when he grabs the kid to drag him over that hedge.
[QUOTE=billibobc;51861523]Not to mention the fact that as an off duty officer he has no right to detain a person anyway.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't last an hour in a brazilian favela if this shit was true. Off-duty officers do have the right to put you in your place, well shoot you dead actually, dunno about arresting.
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