• David Cameron says Jeremy Corbyn is a 'terrorist sympathiser' for not wanting to bomb Syria
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Oh well a quarter of his MPs rebelled. Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for Corbyn and his student union politics and we can get a real leader for labour.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49231269]Oh well a quarter of his MPs rebelled. Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for Corbyn and his student union politics and we can get a real leader for labour.[/QUOTE] good luck with finding someone same problem over here, seems the wellspring of potentially great labour leaders has really dried up over time
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;49231080]If the whole of parliament were filled with Jeremy Corbyns (that is to say on attitude, not necessarily political opinions) we'd be a lot better off and our democracy would work a lot better. The problem is that once people start using the sort of underhanded personal attacks that Mr Cameron and other politicians do, it goes from being a debate to a public school popularity contest. Principled polticians are great for the former and terrible at the latter.[/QUOTE] The problem is that Corbyn's principles are extremely contradictory in practice. For example, he doesn't believe in Collective Responsibility in his cabinet and thinks that MPs should be allowed to vote with their consciences. But also believes that MPs should submit to their local parties therefore preventing them from voting with their conscience, however MPs are there to represent what their constituency wants, not what their local party wants. This in practice is an affront to democracy as it allows a small clique of vocal hard-left minorities to dictate the choices of MPs under threat of deselection, giving the local constituents no say in the matter.
Again with the corbyn bashing. Can Cameron stop shitting his pants for a second and maybe talk shit about someone else for a nice change of pace? If he's a "threat to british security" and a "terrorist sympahtizer", then how come he hasn't been arrested? Dave is all talk and no balls, he should shut his shitface and go back to copulating swine instead of making a fool of himself like that.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;49230957]if I were in Britain I'd vote for Corbyn in a second, he's the most genuine politician and a rare example of a principle politician which is what every country needs. The way the media treats him is absolutely disgusting - systematic and so typical of the Murdoch media. Australia has the same problem - the whims of the public are dictated by what is printed in the papers, and the papers are run by NewsCorp and NewsCorp is run by Murdoch, who needs a fucking bullet[/QUOTE] Such bullshit. News Corp is constantly attacking Turnbull, yet his poll numbers are going up. Why? Corbyn is just unelectable extreme left-wing fluff.
I used to love Corbyn but I've come off the high of him winning and am now disappointed. He has good ideas and he is principled, but he has not led Labour well so far. Really tired of him and Watson and McDonnell making contradictory claims about the party on the same day. He keeps making mistakes a party leader should not make.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;49231929]Such bullshit. News Corp is constantly attacking Turnbull, yet his poll numbers are going up. Why? Corbyn is just unelectable extreme left-wing fluff.[/QUOTE] you kidding? turnbull is fucking golden pretty much anywhere unless you read andrew bolt or the daily tele needs to have a go at muslims - either way he has it waaaaay better than corbyn who gets buttfucked by the mail and the sun almost every day
So "terorist sympathiser" is a "communist" of 21st century?
[QUOTE=Hermann Göring]But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country[/QUOTE] Sound familiar? PM just casually taking a leaf out of a senior Nazi's book.
[QUOTE=person11;49227317]Update: Cameron refuses to apologize [video]https://youtu.be/uZIU6xuH1MQ[/video][/QUOTE] What a stupid fucking cunt David Cameron is like a George bush Jr. "You're either with the terrorists or you're with us!" -George Bush If you don't want to bomb Syria and Iraq you're a terrorist" -David Cameron. Bombing does fuck all why not send special forces like the United States or better yet who gives a fuck about the middle east.
[QUOTE=Mesothere;49238987]Sound familiar? PM just casually taking a leaf out of a senior Nazi's book.[/QUOTE] That's a completely fatuous argument to make. Firstly there's a pretty general consensus that IS genuinely does pose a threat to the people of the UK. Secondly why would the PM decide to bomb Syria unless he thought that it was absolutely necessary to do so? It's not as if he has any ulterior motive. Thirdly he made the controversial comments to a private meeting of MPs and wasn't saying them to the general public.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;49234818]So "terorist sympathiser" is a "communist" of 21st century?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ossumsauce;49231122]this shit is the exact same thing bush supporters said to people who didn't support the iraq war, and look what that got us. the "if you dont support us, then you support the enemy" fallacy is just disgusting and i cant believe that people are still falling for it[/QUOTE] Thirteen years later and the retards still fall for it.
[QUOTE=The mouse;49239191]That's a completely fatuous argument to make. Firstly there's a pretty general consensus that IS genuinely does pose a threat to the people of the UK. Secondly why would the PM decide to bomb Syria unless he thought that it was absolutely necessary to do so? It's not as if he has any ulterior motive. Thirdly he made the controversial comments to a private meeting of MPs and wasn't saying them to the general public.[/QUOTE] He's repeatedly derided Corbyn as "a threat to national security" - along with a host of other party members. I need say nothing of the endless headlines condemning Corbyn as "unpatriotic". This is a fairly established point now, and you won't have to Google far to find evidence. That exact tactic is present in the quote I gave you - so I'd love for you to divulge what's so 'fatuous' about drawing comparisons between two people who have taken precisely the same approach to belittling someone in order to manipulate others. Whether or not IS pose a threat to us is, in this case, an irrelevant argument - you are right in stating the consensus suggests they really are. However - the concern is that air strikes may increase the severity of that threat for little gain, and that's ultimately the argument I saw taking place in the Commons. Given that everyone - including Corbyn - has repeatedly reinforced that line of thinking makes the whole "threat to your personal security" slander even more ridiculous, and I'd say further points to the validity of that quote I handed you. The PM does not need an ulterior motive - it's quite imaginable that he's just woefully unanalysed it - and regardless, it's clear that almost all involved are probably keen to make political gains from even the most serious of debates, so I'm sure you've considered the fact that Cameron (who had made up his mind without intention of reassessing on the case of bombing) probably just thought it was a good shot to generate some snappy headlines whilst fuelling his Nazi-approved "terrorist-sympathising-enemy-of-the-state" approach. If your mind's already set on war - you might as well slander the peacemakers on the way. Göring style.
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