Live by the gun, die by the gun: Utah man to die by firing squad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;22698428]that's just your retarded opinion you sound like a deluded conservative how are you still breathing[/QUOTE] That's how every fucking person with a sense of morality gauges things.

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698435]you have never met a person who has killed another person have you? you have never experienced ANYTHING have you? you fucking sit their pampered and make these nazi like assumptions.[/QUOTE] And have you?

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698420]Let's agree to disagree.[/QUOTE] No, because you can't disagree with the FACT that these people are mentally unstable. If someone is mentally unstable they cannot be held responsible for their actions.

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698434]Answer the question or I'm leaving this thread with a smug look of satisfaction on my face.[/QUOTE] again, the question is superficial and has nothing to do with anything.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22698439]lol gummy resorts to a biased and terrible hypothetical when losing the argument[/QUOTE] LOL JDK resorts to making fun of a hypothetical that would rip apart his side of the argument

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698441]And have you?[/QUOTE] yes I HAVE, i already went over this

[QUOTE=JDK721;22698439]lol gummy resorts to a biased and terrible hypothetical when losing the argument[/QUOTE] And you all refuse to answer the simple hypothetical.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698445]LOL JDK resorts to making fun of a hypothetical that would rip apart his side of the argument[/QUOTE] dude, it's superficial also, answer my question from earlier for the 5th time

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698446]yes I HAVE, i already went over this[/QUOTE] But 12 year olds can't get into prison. You're confusing me. Did your mom commit murder too?

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698435]you have never met a person who has killed another person have you? you have never experienced ANYTHING have you? you fucking sit their pampered and make these nazi like assumptions.[/QUOTE] I think even murderers would let themselves die in that situation, they know what they have done and they likely understand that they aren't worth as much as others. Any smart murderer wouldn't put themself above another innocent human.

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698447]And you all refuse to answer the simple hypothetical.[/QUOTE] because it's not enough information to make a decision.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698426]answer the fucking hypothetical.[/QUOTE] Okay, if I was FORCED as in I had no other option, I would clearly choose to kill the murderer because hypothetically the innocent person has more merit. But in reality, I would much rather attempt to rehabilitate the murderer so that when he reenters society he doesn't kill again, and that way noone has to die!

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698453]dude, it's superficial also, answer my question from earlier for the 5th time[/QUOTE] which is that

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698440]That's how every fucking person with a sense of morality gauges things.[/QUOTE] baseless assumption

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698457]I think even murderers would let themselves die in that situation, they know what they have done and they likely understand that they aren't worth as much as others. Any smart murderer wouldn't put themself above another innocent human.[/QUOTE] lol, so to prove your point, you disprove an earlier point jesus christ you are in it for the fucking win, aren't you? there's a difference between being "sub-human" and feeling like a fuck knuckle

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698460]Okay, if I was FORCED as in I had no other option, I would clearly choose to kill the murderer because hypothetically the innocent person has more merit. But in reality, I would much rather attempt to rehabilitate the murderer so that when he reenters society he doesn't kill again, and that way noone has to die![/QUOTE] So you agree with the argument that humans can have value, and that murder diminishes that value. We aren't talking about rehabilitating anymore, I agree with you, rehabilitation is good for most, but there should be a line where they shouldn't be bothered with (a line comparable to Hitler, or something, surely you can agree)

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698456]But 12 year olds can't get into prison. You're confusing me. Did your mom commit murder too?[/QUOTE] you know, when you resort to the age card the only person that you make look like a child is yourself

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698461]which is that[/QUOTE] how do you measure worth

[QUOTE=JDK721;22698467]baseless assumption[/QUOTE] I for one actually talk to people, people that aren't robotic and don't lack morality.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698460]Okay, if I was FORCED as in I had no other option, I would clearly choose to kill the murderer because hypothetically the innocent person has more merit. But in reality, I would much rather attempt to rehabilitate the murderer so that when he reenters society he doesn't kill again, and that way noone has to die![/QUOTE] So you admit to the murderer having less value than the innocent. You could just kill him and prevent him from reentering society, then you've got a GUARANTEE he won't kill another innocent. I like gambling too, but I guess that's easy for you since you can't put value on human lives.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698474]So you agree with the argument that humans can have value, and that murder diminishes that value. We aren't talking about rehabilitating anymore, I agree with you, rehabilitation is good for most, but there should be a line where they shouldn't be bothered with (a line comparable to Hitler, or something, surely you can agree)[/QUOTE] I didn't say worth I said merit. How about this hypothetical, the murderer is a medical genius who could cure cancer if allowed to live, but the innocent person is in a vegetable-state coma and does not benefit society in any way. Who do you kill then?

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698477]how do you measure worth[/QUOTE] I thought I already answered

[QUOTE=JDK721;22698476]you know, when you resort to the age card the only person that you make look like a child is yourself[/QUOTE] I'm not resorting it, he activated my trap card.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698493]I didn't say worth I said merit. How about this hypothetical, the murderer is a medical genius who could cure cancer if allowed to live, but the innocent person is mentally retarded and does not benefit society in any way. Who do you kill then?[/QUOTE] The mentally retarded person, this still puts worth on human life which proves my point anyway. [editline]10:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698493]I didn't say worth I said merit. How about this hypothetical, the murderer is a medical genius who could cure cancer if allowed to live, but the innocent person is in a vegetable-state coma and does not benefit society in any way. Who do you kill then?[/QUOTE] Merit could easily be a synonym for worth I think

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698491]So you admit to the murderer having less value than the innocent. You could just kill him and prevent him from reentering society, then you've got a GUARANTEE he won't kill another innocent. I like gambling too, but I guess that's easy for you since you can't put value on human lives.[/QUOTE] We could also kill the innocent person to guarentee he never kills anyone too. Either all lives have value or none do.

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698456]But 12 year olds can't get into prison. You're confusing me. Did your mom commit murder too?[/QUOTE] if you were trying to insult me, it didn't make any sense

[QUOTE=Warhol;22698507]if you were trying to insult me, it didn't make any sense[/QUOTE] Neither did any of your argument. Eye for an eye.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22698488]I for one actually talk to people, people that aren't robotic and don't lack morality.[/QUOTE] ie: you

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;22698506]We could also kill the innocent person to guarentee he never kills anyone too. Either all lives have value or none do.[/QUOTE] Technically that would only make sense if the innocent person was like...insane

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22698515]Neither did any of your argument. Eye for an eye.[/QUOTE] what are you talking about