Live by the gun, die by the gun: Utah man to die by firing squad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688864] also, he chose the firing squad to demonstrate just how messed up Utah is. he did it to prove a point.[/QUOTE] what

Fuck all methods of execution, if you're gonna kill a guy, do it with nitrogen inhalation. Painless. You're sleepy in ten seconds, fall asleep, and never wake up. The pain and axiety of suffocation comes not from lack of oxygen, but buildup of carbon dioxide. Replace oxygen with nitrogen, your body won't know til it's too late, and the CO2 will safely, painlessly disperse.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22689269]they aim for the upper torso[/QUOTE] Does it even matter? I'm not one of those "lolol tortur murdurers letz cut theyre fingernailz off" people, but if the guy is on death row he's an asshole who doesn't deserve to live.

Do these executioners even want to kill a man like that?

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688864]it doesn't matter allowing the government to execute its own citizens with a firing squad is barbaric also, he chose the firing squad to demonstrate just how messed up Utah is. he did it to prove a point.[/QUOTE] But nobody cares about Utah, it was made by Mormons and everybody knows they are fucking crazy.

Execution is actually cheaper than a life sentence, dunno what the fuck you're talking about JDK

They both still cost a lot of money but execution is cheaper.

[QUOTE=raccoon12;22690609]Execution is actually cheaper than a life sentence, dunno what the fuck you're talking about JDK[/QUOTE] It is NOT cheaper, jeez. Go and look up how much each execution costs. And it is NOT costs of a bullet, it's mainly costs of paperwork.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688758]uh, no it's not. the death penalty costs more than a life sentence. and this guy was on death row for 25 YEARS. [editline]04:32PM[/editline] good to know that the US is still in the dark ages[/QUOTE] You realise that the US didn't even exist in the Dark Ages right?

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688974]a firing squad.. to murder a murderer. it's 2010 this shit shouldn't be allowed anymore. every other advanced nation in the world has abolished the death penalty. So what if it's 2010. Nothing evolved, we just have technology. Granted it's not a "civilized" method, but it is certainly better to get them off the face of the planet. [QUOTE=JDK721;22688993]people shouldn't be executed to begin with And why not? because its barbaric? Please, grow up and look around. Capital punishment has been abolished in many states, but while they're in prison they still have a chance to generate relationships within groups, making their last stay here less than hellish. [QUOTE=JDK721;22689225]love the blood thirsty 14 year olds rating my post dumb anyone want to refute it[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE] They're dumb because you think that we some how evolved to some better being in the last 200 years of [b]technological[/b] advancements. This does not warrant for evolution, or us being a bigger, newer, man. Because we got cars to replace horses, computers to replace paper, windmills to generate power, and the internet to give us all the knowledge we want; doesn't mean we evolved, or grew up. We simply have more shit to "assist" our daily lives. We still live in a theoretical dark-age. Education systems, constrained and pushed back for the middle/lower class, the government, making decisions for us. Taxes for novel every day items, constant debt that we can never give back, and when we quit paying we can face jailtime (Ever hear of the debt jails? I know Britain loved these). So what makes us so much bigger? So much better? Just because we got cars, planes, computers, cellphones, doesn't make us a more civilized species. We fail to work together, and we fail to be a team. We're all out there for ourselves. And back off that tangent, capital punishment isn't a great way to deal with crimes. It was only bad because we sent innocent men to deathbeds. Until recent technology to prove these people were actually the perpetrators, capital punishment can be put into the mix again, without the worries that innocent people were sent off. The men and women who have conducted great misdeeds to their fellow people, do not deserve the luxury of life. They do not deserve, a meal every day till they get parole. They should not be equal to us, as they voluntarily committed a crime so heinous, so evil, it constituted for them to be sent off to be exterminated. Does it make it so bad? I for one, would prefer these people to be put into the ground and face god (Figuratively speaking). They do not deserve our tax dollars to stay awake. Comforted in their concrete shells, where they can communicate and dwell in these environments. Like I said, they do not deserve the luxury of life, since they took it from another. Your rebuttal?

If you pay 10$ a day per prisoner, it will cost 366000 dollars to keep him in jail for 100 years. Where one execution is over a million.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22689225]love the blood thirsty 14 year olds rating my post dumb anyone want to refute it[/QUOTE] Execution is a viable means of dealing with criminals who could possibly deserve the sentence. It's a pain in the ass to deal with a murderer for 60 years and they take up space, which is a major concern for the prison system. Trapping a cockroach under a cup until it dies later on is probably less humane than killing it outright. Life sentence with no chance of parole is not a fun sentence to receive. You basically sit around in a shithole waiting to die from old age. So if it's the ethics of the sentences life sentences are on par with the death sentence if not worse.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;22690699]They're dumb because you think that we some how evolved to some better being in the last 200 years of [b]technological[/b] advancements. This does not warrant for evolution, or us being a bigger, newer, man. Because we got cars to replace horses, computers to replace paper, windmills to generate power, and the internet to give us all the knowledge we want; doesn't mean we evolved, or grew up. We simply have more shit to "assist" our daily lives. We still live in a theoretical dark-age. Education systems, constrained and pushed back for the middle/lower class, the government, making decisions for us. Taxes for novel every day items, constant debt that we can never give back, and when we quit paying we can face jailtime (Ever hear of the debt jails? I know Britain loved these). So what makes us so much bigger? So much better? Just because we got cars, planes, computers, cellphones, doesn't make us a more civilized species. We fail to work together, and we fail to be a team. We're all out there for ourselves. And back off that tangent, capital punishment isn't a great way to deal with crimes. It was only bad because we sent innocent men to deathbeds. Until recent technology to prove these people were actually the perpetrators, capital punishment can be put into the mix again, without the worries that innocent people were sent off. The men and women who have conducted great misdeeds to their fellow people, do not deserve the luxury of life. They do not deserve, a meal every day till they get parole. They should not be equal to us, as they voluntarily committed a crime so heinous, so evil, it constituted for them to be sent off to be exterminated. Does it make it so bad? I for one, would prefer these people to be put into the ground and face god (Figuratively speaking). They do not deserve our tax dollars to stay awake. Comforted in their concrete shells, where they can communicate and dwell in these environments. Like I said, they do not deserve the luxury of life, since they took it from another. Your rebuttal?[/QUOTE] You're talking about revenge, not justice. We have justice around here.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22690789]You're talking about revenge, not justice. We have justice around here.[/QUOTE] We're all vengeful. Don't play around with justice, since revenge comes with it.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;22690825]We're all vengeful. Don't play around with justice, since revenge comes with it.[/QUOTE] You'd make a terrible judge Simmons.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22689077]any form of execution is barbaric this one reminds me of China[/QUOTE] Have you seen the speech by Robert Byrd? He uses the word Barbaric almost as much as you do and I can't stop reading your posts in his voice. On topic, I think it's what some of these criminals do to get the death penalty that is barbaric. In committing such brutal crimes they lose their right to live. Edited: Here's the video. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V95eGgZbrU[/url]

[QUOTE=johanz;22690680]It is NOT cheaper, jeez. Go and look up how much each execution costs. And it is NOT costs of a bullet, it's mainly costs of paperwork.[/QUOTE] I was wrong. It is a lot more expensive, holy shit

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688758]good to know that the US is still in the dark ages[/QUOTE] And what do you propose? We send them home in a Lamborghini to a mansion, with a five-course dinner waiting for them?

[QUOTE=dogmachines;22690960]Have you seen the speech by Robert Byrd? He uses the word Barbaric almost as much as you do and I can't stop reading your posts in his voice. On topic, I think it's what some of these criminals do to get the death penalty that is barbaric. In committing such brutal crimes they lose their right to live. Edited: Here's the video. [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V95eGgZbrU[/URL][/QUOTE] No. The only reason to support this case is due to the law being grandfathered. Eye for an eye is not the right way to go, in the end we will all end up blind.

[QUOTE=3picFail;22688803]what is death by firing squad?[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you die by having a squad fire bullets into your body. Just a wild guess though, don't take it for granted.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;22690699]They're dumb because you think that we some how evolved to some better being in the last 200 years of [b]technological[/b] advancements. This does not warrant for evolution, or us being a bigger, newer, man. Because we got cars to replace horses, computers to replace paper, windmills to generate power, and the internet to give us all the knowledge we want; doesn't mean we evolved, or grew up. We simply have more shit to "assist" our daily lives. We still live in a theoretical dark-age. Education systems, constrained and pushed back for the middle/lower class, the government, making decisions for us. Taxes for novel every day items, constant debt that we can never give back, and when we quit paying we can face jailtime (Ever hear of the debt jails? I know Britain loved these). So what makes us so much bigger? So much better? Just because we got cars, planes, computers, cellphones, doesn't make us a more civilized species. We fail to work together, and we fail to be a team. We're all out there for ourselves. And back off that tangent, capital punishment isn't a great way to deal with crimes. It was only bad because we sent innocent men to deathbeds. Until recent technology to prove these people were actually the perpetrators, capital punishment can be put into the mix again, without the worries that innocent people were sent off. The men and women who have conducted great misdeeds to their fellow people, do not deserve the luxury of life. They do not deserve, a meal every day till they get parole. They should not be equal to us, as they voluntarily committed a crime so heinous, so evil, it constituted for them to be sent off to be exterminated. Does it make it so bad? I for one, would prefer these people to be put into the ground and face god (Figuratively speaking). They do not deserve our tax dollars to stay awake. Comforted in their concrete shells, where they can communicate and dwell in these environments. Like I said, they do not deserve the luxury of life, since they took it from another. Your rebuttal?[/QUOTE] I have one, it's a lot short than that but it makes sense. What you're saying in essence from your long rambling post is these two things: 1: We haven't actually advanced that much morally/ethically in the last two hundred years, so we shouldn't bother trying. This is coupled with the fact that most of what you're using as examples actually being invalid, anyway. 2: That because one person took someone's life, we should take away their life in turn. This is purely a moral decision, but if looked at with a logical eye, it makes no sense. My answers to these two claims are as follows: 1: We actually have made great strides other than technological, if you weren't a blind idiot you would see that much clearer. Go look at common practices of the nineteenth century, it was horrible, with mass inequality and slavery being common everywhere in the world. Now this sort of gross injustice is more rare, relegated to poorer countries and regions as well as ones controlled by incompetent leaders. This is no longer tolerated. In short; we have advanced far more than you would like to think. 2: Again, this is a purely moral claim, that one who takes life away does not have the "luxury" of life. I would say to you that life is not something that one can label as merely a luxury, but a right that no man has the authority to deprive another of, except in extreme cases of dire urgency and action. Also, what would you say of the many crimes that receive capital sentencing but are not murder cases?

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22690789]You're talking about revenge, not justice. We have justice around here.[/QUOTE] All justice is revenge. [editline]06:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=johanz;22690745]If you pay 10$ a day per prisoner, it will cost 366000 dollars to keep him in jail for 100 years. Where one execution is over a million.[/QUOTE] Except it costs on $55.08 a day for an inmate.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691054]All justice is revenge.[/QUOTE] No it isn't, justice is not synonymous with revenge, this is why we don't have juries composed of victims of the person who affected the crime. It surely does have an element of societal vengeance in it; to deny this would be pitifully naive. However, the main role of the Justice system in a humane and reasonable society should be one of rehabilitation.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691054]All justice is revenge. [editline]06:01PM[/editline] Except it costs on $55.08 a day for an inmate.[/QUOTE] Death row costs a lot more.

In today's society, the increase of gang related violence doesn't stop at jail, there is regular gang activity still thriving in prison. The crime won't stop, and the criminals will continue their activity, even behind bars.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691054]All justice is revenge. [/QUOTE] No, if justice was revenge, every criminal would be dead or tortured to death. [QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691054] Except it costs on $55.08 a day for an inmate.[/QUOTE] What why!? I live on 10$ a day, not counting bills and stuff like clothes.

[QUOTE=wewt!;22691130]Death row costs a lot more.[/QUOTE] The average execution costs 1 million dollars. A life in prison inmate costs 2 million dollars for 100 years in prison.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691151]In today's society, the increase of gang related violence doesn't stop at jail, there is regular gang activity still thriving in prison. The crime won't stop, and the criminals will continue their activity, even behind bars.[/QUOTE] So on that accord, we should do what with people who are convicted of gang-related assault? Deem them unworthy of an attempt and condemn them as well? Again, the point should be rehabilitation, not vengeance. [editline]06:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;22691189]The average execution costs 1 million dollars. A life in prison inmate costs 2 million dollars for 100 years in prison.[/QUOTE] Sources for either?

[QUOTE=johanz;22691180]No, if justice was revenge, every criminal would be dead or tortured to death. What why!? I live on 10$ a day, not counting bills and stuff like clothes.[/QUOTE] Thats just on average. [img]http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/statsbrief/cost3.gif[/img] The cheapest is $44 a day. The most expensive is $99.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22688758]uh, no it's not. the death penalty costs more than a life sentence. and this guy was on death row for 25 YEARS. [editline]04:32PM[/editline] good to know that the US is still in the dark ages[/QUOTE] Good to know that you hate the US and post it in every thread possible.