Live by the gun, die by the gun: Utah man to die by firing squad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695526]There isn't going to be any new evidence, there isn't any doubt that this guy committed the crime.[/QUOTE] that can't be said for EVERY case this ONE case does not represent every case and I already addressed your other point

if i somehow get the death penalty, this is actually how i wanna die...plus i wanna get dressed up in the nicest, most expensive suit(i.e. dying in class in a hail of bullets). Also want it to be televised as a last request

Why do you want the death penalty anyways?

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695526]There isn't going to be any new evidence, there isn't any doubt that this guy committed the crime.[/QUOTE] I don't get it, this is your opinion yet you refute it in the same post by saying the justice system isn't infallible? If you think the justice system is not infallible, then how do you know there isn't going to be any new evidence, and that the "guy" committed the crime?

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695477] it doesn't matter people have been wrongfully executed, and that is UNACCEPTABLE.[/QUOTE] People have died in jail after being wrongfully convicted. I guess we should stop jailing people?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22695559]I don't get it, this is your opinion yet you refute it in the same post by saying the justice system isn't infallible? If you think the justice system is not infallible, then how do you know there isn't going to be any new evidence, and that the "guy" committed the crime?[/QUOTE] that's what I said earlier his point is going against his argument [editline]10:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695570]People have died in jail after being wrongfully convicted. I guess we should stop jailing people?[/QUOTE] where did I say that [editline]10:19PM[/editline] and that's different than executing them - which gives them NO chance of any further appeals, etc.

Morality in law is a laughable thing. When you say that executing someone who went on a rampage is barbaric, you must realize there is no true argument because it's baseless. If you want to be against execution, then use solid facts rather than some bizarre moral high ground that means jack shit. I'm against it simply because it costs more, has no negligible effect on crime rates, and it's fallible.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22695559]I don't get it, this is your opinion yet you refute it in the same post by saying the justice system isn't infallible? If you think the justice system is not infallible, then how do you know there isn't going to be any new evidence, and that the "guy" committed the crime?[/QUOTE] This guy murdered someone IN A COURTROOM. I'm pretty darn sure that there are cameras and records that could pretty quickly prove without a shadow of a doubt that this guy committed the crime.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695477] it doesn't matter people have been wrongfully executed, and that is UNACCEPTABLE.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you're actually reading what you're replying to, wholly... Okay, an innocent man has been sentenced to death. That doesn't mean he has any less an option to appeal than a man with a life sentence. Pay attention, dude.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695600]This guy murdered someone IN A COURTROOM. I'm pretty darn sure that there are cameras and records that could pretty quickly prove without a shadow of a doubt that this guy committed the crime.[/QUOTE] your point? it doesn't mean that innocents have and cannot be executed

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695571] and that's different than executing them - which gives them NO chance of any further appeals, etc.[/QUOTE] Where does it say that people sentenced to death cannot appeal?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695604]That doesn't mean he has any less an option to appeal than a man with a life sentence.[/QUOTE] uh, yes it does. how does a DEAD person appeal?

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695600]This guy murdered someone IN A COURTROOM. I'm pretty darn sure that there are cameras and records that could pretty quickly prove without a shadow of a doubt that this guy committed the crime.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean the justice system is infallible at all.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695571]where did I say that [/QUOTE] Where did I say you said that? I was making a correlation.

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695617]your point? it doesn't mean that innocents have and cannot be executed[/QUOTE] What ever those cases maybe, they have nothing to do with this specific case where the man was clearly guilty.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695634]What ever those cases maybe, they have nothing to do with this specific case where the man was clearly guilty.[/QUOTE] Check out my posts in the other thread.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695634]What ever those cases maybe, they have nothing to do with this specific case where the man was clearly guilty.[/QUOTE] it has to do with the death penalty.. which is what we're discussing. jesus

[QUOTE=RBM11;22695641]Check out my posts in the other thread.[/QUOTE] If you have a statement or argument to make, you bring your support with you, not to send the opposition to retrieve it themselves.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22695629]That doesn't mean the justice system is infallible at all.[/QUOTE] What? I said that the justice system is FALLIBLE. I said no new evidence would be found IN THIS CASE, I wasn't making a blanket statement about all cases.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695655]If you have a statement or argument to make, you bring your support with you, not to send the opposition to retrieve it themselves.[/QUOTE] he supports the death penalty

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695660]What? I said that the justice system is FALLIBLE. I said no new evidence would be found IN THIS CASE, I wasn't making a blanket statement about all cases.[/QUOTE] Calm down, calm down. They're liberals, they'll hear what they want to. [editline]09:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;22695673]he supports the death penalty[/QUOTE] You still didn't answer my question. Where does it say people sentenced to death cannot appeal?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695655]If you have a statement or argument to make, you bring your support with you, not to send the opposition to retrieve it themselves.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=955090&page=9[/url] I'm kind of on your side on this one and I'm done arguing and I was kind of hoping to give you support but whatever.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695660]What? I said that the justice system is FALLIBLE. I said no new evidence would be found IN THIS CASE, I wasn't making a blanket statement about all cases.[/QUOTE] And if you believe that this case deserves a death penalty over any other case, because of the evidence, then you don't understand legal precedents. You can't hand out a death penalty here, and one over there, there has to be law set to decide what is and isn't legal. And as you've said, the justice system is fallible, and therefore should not be allowed to sentence a person to death, incase of innocence.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695674]They're liberals, they'll hear what they want to.[/QUOTE] lol yeah, you're definitely a conservative/closet Republican. I rest my case on that matter. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695674]Where does it say people sentenced to death cannot appeal?[/QUOTE] I never said they couldn't. I said they can only appeal for so long before they're executed. new evidence pointing to their innocence could come up after they were executed. that's the problem with the death penalty. [editline]10:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695660]I said that the justice system is FALLIBLE.[/QUOTE] then why are you supporting state sponsored executions

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695712]lol yeah, you're definitely a conservative/closet Republican. I rest my case on that matter.[/QUOTE] No idea how many times this has to be drilled into your head, but I'll keep trying. Conservative != Always Republican; Republican != Everything conservative

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22695767]No idea how many times this has to be drilled into your head, but I'll keep trying. Conservative != Always Republican; Republican != Everything conservative[/QUOTE] ok, you're a conservative which is what the majority of Republicans are

[QUOTE=JDK721;22695712] then why are you supporting state sponsored executions [/QUOTE] Im not: [QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695180]Did I ever say I was OK with the government executing people? The jury should have to vote on the judge's sentence as well IMO. [/QUOTE] [editline]02:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;22695789] which is what the majority of Republicans are[/QUOTE] hahahahaha no More like liberals in disguise.

[QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695797]Im not:[/QUOTE] you seem to be defending them [editline]10:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb757;22695797]hahahahaha no More like liberals in disguise.[/QUOTE] lol, what? pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, etc. those are all conservative views

ITT: JDK721 has secretly committed murder and is trying to single handedly stop execution because he lives in Utah and is scared of dying.

[QUOTE=yodafart9;22695842]ITT: JDK721 has secretly committed murder and is trying to single handedly stop execution because he lives in Utah and is scared of dying.[/QUOTE] It all makes sense now...