What the fuck - Old man gives Ukrainian soldiers honey jar with bomb in it, kills 1 soldier and inju
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46954562]I find it funny that if this was a guy honeybombing an ISIS checkpoint, the "badass" notion would have far more support here.[/QUOTE]
Because ISIS actually deserves it maybe?
*snip*
[QUOTE=Ghost656;46954674]Because ISIS actually deserves it maybe?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I am talking about. I find the fact many people here are able to cheer for death of [I]some people[/I], but not others in the same situation, rather funny.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46954562]I find it funny that if this was a guy honeybombing an ISIS checkpoint, the "badass" notion would have far more support here.[/QUOTE]
Alright, I'm sick of this "every human life is equal no matter what they have done" shit. Life isn't that simple. Some people are detrimental to humanity. People who [I]enjoy[/I] killing people deserve to die.
[QUOTE=shott;46954704]Since when news puns are bannable[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46954562]I find it funny that if this was a guy honeybombing an ISIS checkpoint, the "badass" notion would have far more support here.[/QUOTE]
Well, ISIS [i]is[/i] a fucking cancer that should be wiped off the face of the earth.
The Ukrainian army are just ordinary people, forced to start fighting their former countrymen because those fucking idiots decided that Ukraine should totally stay a Russian puppet state stuck somewhere deep in the Soviet era instead of becoming a civilized independent country.
With shit like this, at this point, the Ukraine situation needs to be rolled into the War on Terror.
Hope they find that Russki fuck who did it.
[QUOTE=certified;46954823]With shit like this, at this point, the Ukraine situation needs to be rolled into the War on Terror.
Hope they find that Russki fuck who did it.[/QUOTE]
A special elderly kgb op russians keep around for the times like these.
[QUOTE]handed the soldiers a three-litre jar of honey[/QUOTE]
Three litres of honey is crazy, that'd last at least a year or two even if you're honey mad.
Assuming it was "full" to the brim of course.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46954592]tl;dr - I'm NOT saying its "badass" that he did it, I'm saying its "badass" HOW he did it. Get a grip, people.[/QUOTE]
In like, the basest form of this I can understand, but then I don't. It wasn't bad ass that what used to be a sign of good will is now used to deceive and alienate a population that used to be so close.
It's not that we didn't get what you meant, it's still just kinda fucked.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;46955157]In like, the basest form of this I can understand, but then I don't. It wasn't bad ass that what used to be a sign of good will is now used to deceive and alienate a population that used to be so close.
It's not that we didn't get what you meant, it's still just kinda fucked.[/QUOTE]
How? For admiring the cleverness involved? I'm not, nor ever will, praise the old man for doing what he did or admire what he did. But, I can't help but be deeply interested in how he pulled off such a thought-out thing. What appeared to be innocent and cool at first (soldiers being thanked and given food) turns bad. Can't say that doesn't at least peak your interest.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46955258]How? For admiring the cleverness involved? I'm not, nor ever will, praise the old man for doing what he did or admire what he did. But, I can't help but be deeply interested in how he pulled off such a thought-out thing. What appeared to be innocent and cool at first (soldiers being thanked and given food) turns bad. Can't say that doesn't at least peak your interest.[/QUOTE]
Only in it's basest form man. Because no matter how ingenious it was, it lead to the death of someone and that's the forethought when I think of this, not "How did he get that bomb inside the honey jar?"
My other thought was how will this alienate the Ukrainian military from the locals inside rebel territory, would they be seen as country men or possible insurgents to the military now? Because of this "ingenious" idea how many innocent civilians could die because of Ukrainian military distrusting locals bearing gifts to them?
Again, it's not that I don't get it, I understand, but to me it's still kind of fucked. Personal preference I guess.
I remember, when I was a kid and there was a war here, I watched a TV show where they tried to warn people, especially kids, about all kinds of hidden and camouflaged bombs that Serbs might have left around, like cans of food, toys or something.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46954232]As bad as I feel for the soldiers, I have to admit, that's pretty badass. That's something you'd see on some kind of "War resistance" movie. Must've had the bomb hidden inside the lid.[/QUOTE]
They were human beings with friends, family, memories, and dreams-- all irrevocably snuffed out. Regardless of what side of the political line somebody happens to be standing on, pointless loss of life is never something that should be celebrated.
[QUOTE=NixNax123;46954717]Alright, I'm sick of this "every human life is equal no matter what they have done" shit. Life isn't that simple. Some people are detrimental to humanity. People who [I]enjoy[/I] killing people deserve to die.[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion and you can justify it as you want, but you are the one who's simplifying things.
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And let me point out I didn't even say I think their life are worth more or less or same, I just don't think it's "badass" to kill people, regardless the circumstances.
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[QUOTE=Ghost656;46954674]Because ISIS actually deserves it maybe?[/QUOTE]
How are you making that determination, exactly? If an old man bombed a group of ISIS enforcers while they were going about their day, why would they deserve it when these same Ukrainian soldiers don't? Is it because you believe that because they're part of ISIS, then they are, by default, out there slaughtering minorities and raping little girls? Is it because you believe people deserve to be punished for the transgressions of the group that they belong to? Is it because you believe a person's moral worth is defined by their politics? Or it is just because the ends justify the means?(At which point why make it about anyone "deserving" anything at all?)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46954562]I find it funny that if this was a guy honeybombing an ISIS checkpoint, the "badass" notion would have far more support here.[/QUOTE]
Because ISIS is an enemy of literally fucking everyone
but then there'd be no reason to come to this thread because it'd eventually just devolve into people arguing about whether or not ISIS members are homosapiens.
Also it seems like everyone in this thread is mistaking admiration for complacency.
[editline]17th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46955543]They were human beings with friends, family, memories, and dreams-- all irrevocably snuffed out. Regardless of what side of the political line somebody happens to be standing on, pointless loss of life is never something that should be celebrated.[/QUOTE]
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'd like to point out that only one of them died. Three of those human beings are still kicking.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46954232]As bad as I feel for the soldiers, I have to admit, that's pretty badass. That's something you'd see on some kind of "War resistance" movie. Must've had the bomb hidden inside the lid.[/QUOTE]
The bomb was the honey, the fuse and detonator were inside the lid, but the "honey" was the explosive.
Sorry, this just irked me that you think a bomb the size of a honey jar lid could create a blast large enough to kill a man and wound three others. A bomb that size would basically be a big firecracker.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;46956866]The bomb was the honey, the fuse and detonator were inside the lid, but the "honey" was the explosive.
Sorry, this just irked me that you think a bomb the size of a honey jar lid could create a blast large enough to kill a man and wound three others. A bomb that size would basically be a big firecracker.[/QUOTE]
I guess thats what I get for not actually reading the ENTIRE article.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;46955936]How are you making that determination, exactly? If an old man bombed a group of ISIS enforcers while they were going about their day, why would they deserve it when these same Ukrainian soldiers don't? Is it because you believe that because they're part of ISIS, then they are, by default, out there slaughtering minorities and raping little girls? Is it because you believe people deserve to be punished for the transgressions of the group that they belong to? Is it because you believe a person's moral worth is defined by their politics? Or it is just because the ends justify the means?(At which point why make it about anyone "deserving" anything at all?)[/QUOTE]
Does the Ukrainian government slaughter civilians, throw gays off rooftops, behead any non believer?
Then you have the ISIS fighters, who defend anything their state does and take more lives in the process.
I do not understand how you would think if they'd join ISIS, but not indulge in killing and beheading civilians and non believers, would make them good people?
Do the Ukrainian soldiers defend a government that beheads, massacres, executes people on crosses, throws gays off rooftops?
Of course they don't.
Do the ISIS fighters?
Yeah they do.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;46958685]Does the Ukrainian government slaughter civilians, [...] [/QUOTE]
Yes it does, you will have no trouble finding articles of numerous incidents where the Ukraine Air Force has targeted civilians with no strategic target anywhere close.
[QUOTE=freakadella;46959047]Yes it does, you will have no trouble finding articles of numerous incidents where the Ukraine Air Force has targeted civilians with no strategic target anywhere close.[/QUOTE]
Well surely because you say there's "no trouble" finding articles about this, that you should be able to provide evidence to your statement. Because I can't find shit that isn't Russian propaganda. So please, do show me.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;46958685]Does the Ukrainian government slaughter civilians, throw gays off rooftops, behead any non believer?
Then you have the ISIS fighters, who defend anything their state does and take more lives in the process.
I do not understand how you would think if they'd join ISIS, but not indulge in killing and beheading civilians and non believers, would make them good people?
Do the Ukrainian soldiers defend a government that beheads, massacres, executes people on crosses, throws gays off rooftops?
Of course they don't.
Do the ISIS fighters?
Yeah they do.[/QUOTE]
ISIS is a group with tens of thousands of armed fighters spread over half a dozen different countries. Besides, ISIS exists in area that has been torn by war, constant ethnic clashes and cleanses one way or the other, and largely has been under despotic rule of dictators for better part of the last century. There hasn't been an armed conflict on Ukrainian land since more or less the end of second world war, until this one.
[I]Cheering[/I] for gruesome and insidious death on any unspecified member of ISIS is as wrong as [I]cheering[/I] it on any unspecified member of Ukrainian army, or anybody else.
why are people comparing Ukraine's army with the Islamic State, literally completely different things
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;46959144]Well surely because you say there's "no trouble" finding articles about this, that you should be able to provide evidence to your statement. Because I can't find shit that isn't Russian propaganda. So please, do show me.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25/human-rights-watch-ukrainian-forces-are-rocketing-civilians/[/url]
[url]http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-6ce5-Ukrainian-government-bombs-Snizhne-flats,-killing-civilians#.VLvPCEeG_fI[/url]
[url]http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Ukrainian-Government-Used-Cluster-Bombs-Against-Civilians-20141021-0011.html[/url]
[url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-forces-must-stop-firing-civilians-after-nine-killed-donetsk-2014-10-01[/url]
[url]http://itar-tass.com/en/world/747651[/url]
I literally only typed in "ukrainian government civilians" into google and took results from the first page?
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;46958276]I guess thats what I get for not actually reading the ENTIRE article.[/QUOTE]
I didn't read it, tbh, just know a thing or two about improvised explosives because of my job and wanted to share.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46955543]They were human beings with friends, family, memories, and dreams-- all irrevocably snuffed out. Regardless of what side of the political line somebody happens to be standing on, pointless loss of life is never something that should be celebrated.[/QUOTE]
i agree, no matter what the person previously did no one deserves death imo.
[QUOTE=freakadella;46959659][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25/human-rights-watch-ukrainian-forces-are-rocketing-civilians/[/url]
Though the Ukrainian government denies the use of Grad rockets, a [b]Human Rights Watch investigation has found that both government and separatist forces have used the system in and around Donetsk.[/b]
While the report condemns the use of the [b]rockets by government forces, it also flags separatists for not taking measures to avoid encamping in densely populated civilian areas.[/b]
[url]http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-6ce5-Ukrainian-government-bombs-Snizhne-flats,-killing-civilians#.VLvPCEeG_fI[/url]
Only mentions the Ukrainian Air force bombing an apartment building, and don't describe the reasons. Honestly they could have been shooting from inside the building, causing the Ukrainian air force to level the building.
[url]http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Ukrainian-Government-Used-Cluster-Bombs-Against-Civilians-20141021-0011.html[/url]
This has been known and should be addressed. Any war crimes by both sides should be punished.
[url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-forces-must-stop-firing-civilians-after-nine-killed-donetsk-2014-10-01[/url]
In a visit to the affected area of Kievskiy on Monday, Amnesty International delegates saw a large rebel artillery piece sitting in the middle of a residential street, less than 10 metres from a house.
“By basing military targets in residential areas, rebel forces have failed to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and have endangered civilians in violation of the laws of war,” said John Dalhuisen.
“[b]By carrying out military operations in the neighbourhood, rebel forces share responsibility for these latest attacks with the Ukrainian forces.” [/b]
[url]http://itar-tass.com/en/world/747651[/url]
Hey who would have thought that the Russian news agency wouldn't mention the rebels hiding in civilian centers with artillery pieces and mortars. [/QUOTE]
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