Obamacare "success story" says she can’t afford new health insurance - Polidicks

Wasn't anyone who said the ACA wouldn't work as well as everyone wanted called a right winger?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;42941651]Wasn't anyone who said the ACA wouldn't work as well as everyone wanted called a right winger?[/QUOTE] Aside from a few overshadowed democrats, yes. But the thing is, everybody KNEW it wasn't going to work properly. Obama admitted that, congress admitted that, the oversight panel admitted that, the insurers admitted that. Everyone who read the bill said it wouldn't work. And nobody listened. And they had the gall to enact it, even then, in the worst possible way. The American way.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42941717]Aside from a few overshadowed democrats, yes. But the thing is, everybody KNEW it wasn't going to work properly. Obama admitted that, congress admitted that, the oversight panel admitted that, the insurers admitted that. Everyone who read the bill said it wouldn't work. And nobody listened. And they had the gall to enact it, even then, in the worst possible way. The American way.[/QUOTE] Historical revisionism at its finest.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42941743]Historical revisionism at its finest.[/QUOTE] What, so you didn't see the presidential address stating the program would have problems when they rolled it out? Or perhaps you missed the decision of several standing committees saying it wouldn't work properly the way it was written? How about the press releases by several major insurers saying rates would be likely to go up after ACA was enacted? Are we just ignoring all that now?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;42941651]Wasn't anyone who said the ACA wouldn't work as well as everyone wanted called a right winger?[/QUOTE] Obamacare didn't fail because it was universal. It failed because it wasn't socialized enough.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42941828]Obamacare didn't fail because it was universal. It failed because it wasn't socialized enough.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. Obamacare's about the limit of what the GOP's willing to let through, though, so there's not a lot of hope for a functioning system.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42941828]Obamacare didn't fail because it was universal. It failed because it wasn't socialized enough.[/QUOTE] The only difference between the horror the US has and single payer is that in the latter the misery is more evenly distributed, so I guess you could think of it as being better that way. Eating shit and scraping by isn't much of an improvement over eating shit and dying though.

[QUOTE=1STrandomman;42941137]they killed the public option the debate starts and ends simultaneously with this undeniable fact[/QUOTE] The Democrats didn't have to pass it. Harry Reid used a shell bill to get around the rule on revenue-raising bills starting in the House, I'm sure he could have found some ancient semi-constitutional loophole. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ViralHatred;42941608]Because our system is now beginning to fail. We're suffering from too many citizens, not enough staff and too small a budget. The system has become less militarised since it's conception and has only gone downhill since then.[/QUOTE] The NHS was built on Marshall Plan money, it was doomed from the start (just don't say this to anyone from Britain because apparently Atlee is supposed to be some kind of god for us).

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;42941561]There is clearly more to the story here. She was probably told wrong in the first place, and it was the Washington STATE exchange that fucked it up. The story is being used to sling mud at the healthcare.gov site and Obama when neither of them actually had anything to do with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a lot of the provisions are actually state controlled. Which is a horrible decision.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42940058]Wow... You know, I'm not quite sure what the point of the ACA is, exactly.[/QUOTE] To make a system so horribly broken that states shift to a universal healthcare system to escape from it.

i have no idea what obamacare is and i'm unable to research it as every article about has some sort of bias

[QUOTE=meppers;42942693]i have no idea what obamacare is and i'm unable to research it as every article about has some sort of bias[/QUOTE] For starters, don't look up "Obamacare" as it is the slang term for the Affordable Care Act.

I'll always say this because it's the only way to get Universal Healthcare in this damn country. Stop saying anything regarding, "socialized healthcare" "tax increases" "budgeting" or anything which remarks the possibility of financial loss. The best way to convince people into funding some form of Universal Healthcare is to convince them that they are losing money by not having it. An important rule is that someone who is broke, sick, or dead is not able to make money, and therefore can't buy your products. That person is no longer a customer, because the current healthcare system has stopped them from making money that could of been used to buy your products. People will only start caring about each other when it directly effects them and their loved ones. [editline]21st November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=meppers;42942693]i have no idea what obamacare is and i'm unable to research it as every article about has some sort of bias[/QUOTE] I can't find the original draft of the Affordable Healthcare Act for the life of me.

[QUOTE=meppers;42942693]i have no idea what obamacare is and i'm unable to research it as every article about has some sort of bias[/QUOTE] are you unable to read an article without it's bias changing your own political leanings? No? Then read a few articles from different sources.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42941828]It failed[/QUOTE] it's not even been 2 months

The democrats passed the ACA with literally zero Republican votes. Any and all blame falls on them. They could have passed God damn single payer, socialized to the max healthcare and the Republicans wouldn't have been able to do shit about it.

One of my friends mom does not work and only gets social security, her monthly bill for her ACA insurance is more than she gets a month for social security.

my god [video=youtube;wBr3fniyb4w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBr3fniyb4w[/video] this is what the PPACA does this is how the PPACA works

[QUOTE=FPSMango;42940216]In my opinion universal healthcare works great when everyone are working towards making it as good as possible and it's implemented on a smaller scale. In the US as far as I see it the sheer size of the US coupled with the republicans working against Socialized healthcare at every turn has really crippled a system that could have been great. Which is why in my opinion it works so well in Scandinavian countries: Everyone, even the right-wing parties, are for it(even though they want to introduce private alternatives) and every country in Scandinavia has such a small population that the bureaucratic problem is severely reduced.[/QUOTE] The main reason it works so well in other countries is because most western governments don't allow private healthcare companies to do anything and everything they please without consequence. The US government willingly and knowingly allows the pharmaceutical industry to charge ANY price they want for medicine here, in some cases common drugs are sold for up to four times what they cost in neighboring Canada and Mexico and even more when compared to countries in South America and Europe. Hospitals and clinics are no better, with the average cost of a one day stay in a hospital(only inpatient care, no other services) costing roughly $1,700~ per day in the US vs less than $100 a day in Mexico. Private health insurance providers in the US are only a small part of the problem - it's our entire fucking medical industry that's fucking us over and will continue to do so until restrictions are placed on them.

[QUOTE=laserguided;42940112]Meanwhile in Canada..[/QUOTE] Meanwhile our doctors all leave the country and our unsustainable system continues to get shittier...

[QUOTE=sgman91;42944043]The democrats passed the ACA with literally zero Republican votes. Any and all blame falls on them. They could have passed God damn single payer, socialized to the max healthcare and the Republicans wouldn't have been able to do shit about it.[/QUOTE] It wasn't that easy, they actually did want it more socialized originally. There was a group of 'Moderate' Democrats in one of the houses of Congress who refused to vote yea for the ACA in its original form, which included the Public Option. As a result, the bill was forced to be extensively altered and gutted, removing that public option and other assorted parts, giving us what we know today. It doesn't help that the Republicans flat out refused to actually discuss or attempt to draft any sort of compromise to the bill.

So it says my monthly premium then it says After premium assistance. Is the premium assistance what the government is paying to help me afford it?

[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;42941008]and since it's a mandate that everyone over 26 have insurance they can charge whatever they want. [/QUOTE] ACA sets maximums afaik [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman;42945849]Meanwhile our doctors all leave the country and our unsustainable system continues to get shittier...[/QUOTE] Our system is perfectly sustainable, the government just sabotages it but not allocating enough of a funding increase to compensate for our aging population

Boy, this whole fiasco has turned into a complete clusterfuck.

[QUOTE=Aman;42945849]Meanwhile our doctors all leave the country and our unsustainable system continues to get shittier...[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/ezra-klein/StandingArt/physician%20views.jpg?uuid=EE9x-o3dEeC2kWj2ai43Jw[/IMG] [QUOTE]The Canadian Institute for Health Information has been tracking doctors' destinations only since 1992. Since then, between 60 and 70 percent of physicians who emigrate have headed south of the border. In the mid-1990s, the number leaving for the U.S. spiked at about 400 to 500 a year. However, in recent years, this number has declined, with only 169 physicians leaving for the States in 2003; 138 in 2004; and 122 in each of 2005 and 2006. [U]These numbers represent less than half a percent of all doctors working in Canada[/U].[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cfhi-fcass.ca/PublicationsAndResources/Mythbusters/ArticleView/2008/03/01/ce4dafe7-55e5-46bd-a99b-bf59c1a09eaf.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE=Maegord;42948666]It wasn't that easy, they actually did want it more socialized originally. There was a group of 'Moderate' Democrats in one of the houses of Congress who refused to vote yea for the ACA in its original form, which included the Public Option. As a result, the bill was forced to be extensively altered and gutted, removing that public option and other assorted parts, giving us what we know today. It doesn't help that the Republicans flat out refused to actually discuss or attempt to draft any sort of compromise to the bill.[/QUOTE] So it's the Democrat's fault we have a shit system, then? [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=woolio1;42941794]What, so you didn't see the presidential address stating the program would have problems when they rolled it out? Or perhaps you missed the decision of several standing committees saying it wouldn't work properly the way it was written? How about the press releases by several major insurers saying rates would be likely to go up after ACA was enacted? Are we just ignoring all that now?[/QUOTE] How many times are we going to let Obama sign a bill into law while preaching about how bad it is?

[QUOTE=darunner;42953605]So it's the Democrat's fault we have a shit system, then?[/QUOTE] We had a shit system, and we tried to change it so that everyone could get coverage, so we filled in the cracks with a bunch of bullshit, and now we have a shittier system. We could just go for national healthcare but that's too easy and would upset too many rich people who (almost literally) make money off the suffering of the poor.

I don't think they even filled the cracks. They just made it so everyone HAS to buy shit coverage. There a couple good things that came out of ACA (profit caps, pre-existing condition coverage), but for the most part, it's just a handout to the insurance companies that were screwing us over in the first place.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42953776]We had a shit system, and we tried to change it so that everyone could get coverage, so we filled in the cracks with a bunch of bullshit, and now we have a shittier system. We could just go for national healthcare but that's too easy and would upset too many rich people who (almost literally) make money off the suffering of the poor.[/QUOTE] the issue is complex almost too complex for one piece of legislation to resolve. the problem is that the american public does not understand this and somehow expects the president (a man with almost no domestic power) to fix everything with a single law. the congressional houses are more responsible for any domestic downfall than the president; even if said president proposed a piece of legislation and tried to gain support, it's still ultimately the legislatures that vote for it.