• Former anorexia sufferer: Airbrushing should be banned
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there's loads of girls that don't need to feel pretty though you know then there are ones with a certain upbringing that'd trigger the feeling that they need to be pretty (EXTREMELY especially ones that were put into pageants at a young age and had it forced into their brains that they'll get no where if they don't look perfect.
You may not be aware of it, but you're under the same programming! If your face was severely disfigured, how would you feel? If you suffered third degree burns to your entire body, how would you feel?
You guys have no fucking clue what it's like to be a girl in this day and age. I personally have five friends who have gone to the hospital after anorexia. That is me in my tiny little social circle. This isn't just to do with beauty or health, this is going to substantially change our generation, and the next if we don't stop this shit.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35810481]You may not be aware of it, but you're under the same programming! If your face was severely disfigured, how would you feel? If you suffered third degree burns to your entire body, how would you feel?[/QUOTE] I don't see people in ads around me in my every day lives.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35810481]You may not be aware of it, but you're under the same programming! If your face was severely disfigured, how would you feel? If you suffered third degree burns to your entire body, how would you feel?[/QUOTE] pretty bad. if it wasn't as bad as that though, I would ( I assume? I'm not totally sure though) probably feel like shit but deal with it in a "Go with the flow, I don't need to impress anyone, and I can't blame anyone, etc" mentality. but I never had that happened so, I don't entirely know for sure. [QUOTE=Ataxia;35810482]You guys have no fucking clue what it's like to be a girl in this day and age. I personally have five friends who have gone to the hospital after anorexia. That is me in my tiny little social circle. This isn't just to do with beauty or health, this is going to substantially change our generation, and the next if we don't stop this shit.[/QUOTE] I really don't consider females and males very different so, you'd be telling the wrong person here. Both have pressure you know, you can get the "oh your not masculine enough" and "oh your not feminine enough" on either sides. Trying to say "Its harder being female / male" just seems weird to me. Being gay and male can be pretty hard as well because of the pressure of not having kids / not fitting in / other things, you get the same pressure in different forms.
[QUOTE=Ataxia;35810482]You guys have no fucking clue what it's like to be a girl in this day and age. I personally have five friends who have gone to the hospital after anorexia. That is me in my tiny little social circle. This isn't just to do with beauty or health, this is going to substantially change our generation, and the next if we don't stop this shit.[/QUOTE] And you have no fucking clue what it's like to be a guy in this day and age. Oh yeah! Exactly the same as girls, just with different things going on. Being prone to unconsciously reacting to triggers is no different for girls or guys. This is all within the mind. Removing external stimuli will do fucking nothing, because people will still be living unconsciously. The mind is an incredible thing. It can create wonderful scenarios of joy, love and peace, and it can create hateful scenes of distrust and jealousy. It can make one person be terrified of talking to people and allows another able to lead a nation. What's the solution then? Drugs? No, supression is not authentic. People need to discover themselves, learn about their minds, understand the concept of ego and be introduced to psychosomatic concepts. So much can be achieved with a mind that understands such things.
Whilst I agree that there would be some influence with those images, the reality is she only claims that photoshopped pictures cause anorexia/effect anorexia because she was told it did. Her anorexia was not caused by photoshopped images as she said herself. so y'know.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35810766]And you have no fucking clue what it's like to be a guy in this day and age. Oh yeah! Exactly the same as girls, just with different things going on. Being prone to unconsciously reacting to triggers is no different for girls or guys. This is all within the mind. Removing external stimuli will do fucking nothing, because people will still be living unconsciously. The mind is an incredible thing. It can create wonderful scenarios of joy, love and peace, and it can create hateful scenes of distrust and jealousy. It can make one person be terrified of talking to people and allows another able to lead a nation. What's the solution then? Drugs? No, supression is not authentic. People need to discover themselves, learn about their minds, understand the concept of ego and be introduced to psychosomatic concepts. So much can be achieved with a mind that understands such things.[/QUOTE] That is a completely different issue you're babbling on about, getting philosophical will do nothing for the real issues people face every day. Btw, the male privilege you just spouted is really fucking telling on how little you know about these issues. Being a guy today (and for the rest of human history) has been safer, easier, and in every single measurable way better then being female. I don't have to know exactly what it's like to be a guy to know that.
[QUOTE=Ataxia;35810872]That is a completely different issue you're babbling on about, getting philosophical will do nothing for the real issues people face every day. Btw, the male privilege you just spouted is really fucking telling on how little you know about these issues. Being a guy today (and for the rest of human history) has been safer, easier, and in every single measurable way better then being female. I don't have to know exactly what it's like to be a guy to know that.[/QUOTE] Being a female in this day and age is far, far easier than it has been in the past, which is at least a good thing. So bad history is kind of irrelevant as other groups also had it bad. You do realize females weren't the only ones who had a bad history though, right? And that females aren't the only ones that get pressure? There's people out there that would actually literally lynch me if they knew I was gay / atheist, which is far worse than being harassed for being female / having pressure, not only that, but there's a bunch of heat against both of those groups.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35810944]Being a female in this day and age is far, far easier than it has been in the past, which is at least a good thing. So bad history is kind of irrelevant as other groups also had it bad. You do realize females weren't the only ones who had a bad history though, right? And that females aren't the only ones that get pressure? There's people out there that would actually literally lynch me if they knew I was gay / atheist, which is far worse than being harassed for being female.[/QUOTE] Mmm, considering I'm gay, atheist and female I know that feeling all too well.
[QUOTE=Ataxia;35810872]That is a completely different issue you're babbling on about, getting philosophical will do nothing for the real issues people face every day. Btw, the male privilege you just spouted is really fucking telling on how little you know about these issues. Being a guy today (and for the rest of human history) has been safer, easier, and in every single measurable way better then being female. I don't have to know exactly what it's like to be a guy to know that.[/QUOTE] And hiding away the issues under endless masks of censorship will do anything apart from make everything 'seem' to be okay?
"ban art"
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35810186]Help what? Fuck all. Bury down to the cause and you find that all these little things that trigger whatever symptoms come from the same thing:- The human who is affected by them. Why can some people stand on stage and address hundreds of thousands whilst another shits their pants talking to a single person? Why can some people carry out complex mathematical equations whilst another can barely read a sentence? Why is one person so affected by advertising that they crash diet and nearly die, whilst another sits back heartily eating a chicken leg and sipping a diet coke? [B]Edit:[/B] We live in a blame culture, where it is alright to sue someone if your dumbass kid climbs a tree and happens to fall out of it. It's ridiculous and it's insane.[/QUOTE] Uh, that cuts both ways. What you do is completely determined by both yourself AND how you environment affects you. (And each one shapes the other to some degree)
[QUOTE=Perfumly;35811059]"ban art"[/QUOTE] Ban females :v: Brb killing self because I'm not as muscular as Marcus Fenix
[QUOTE=Perfumly;35811059]"ban art"[/QUOTE] Australia
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35808250]Another example is how we're all told that death is such a bad thing and something to be sad about. If we had been raised to treat death as an ascension, to celebrate and rejoice when people died, would be we sad about it? Would we fear death? Would people murder?[/quote] Yes, yes, and yes. People have an innate fear of death. Those that don't, die. Besides, there isn't much to spin on "when you die, you don't exist anymore". If you try and make that seem celebratory, then you come off as suicidal or wanting the other person to die. Hell, we've put a spin on it anyway, with religion, turning death into "when you die, you go to a paradise of eternal happiness", and people STILL get sad about it. [quote]Would the concept of sad/happy exist if no-one had named them those words in the first place?[/quote] Yes. Absolutely. In fact, there was a point where they didn't have words to describe them. People felt sad or happy, and wanted to describe it, so they made words. Just because something doesn't have a name doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The name comes after the existence. [quote]Could depression or insanity possibly exist under these circumstances? Or did these things only exist when someone invented and named them?[/quote] Yes and no, respectively. In order to name those, they had to exist in the first place. It's not like some asshole was all like "hey, everyone, what if there was a person who was sad all the time", and then some people in the audience were all "oh, that sounds interesting. I think I'll be depressed now". Reality doesn't work that way. Just because someone puts something in front of their face doesn't mean that they disappeared. Or does that "peek-a-boo!" trick still work on you? [quote]How does this relate to the article?[/quote] How does it relate to anything? Besides drugs, that is. [quote]Anorexia, treated as a medical condition, something that is causal, and something that under some cases 'isn't the sufferers fault'. The effects are weight loss, illness, death, etc.[/quote] Doctors noticed the medical condition, and then they named it. It's not like some doctors made up a name for something that didn't exist and then everyone decided to be it. They didn't fucking speak it into existence. They saw it, and described it. [quote]IMO, Anorexia is not a 'cause', it in itself is an effect. It is an effect of society and media influence, and proof of how people live 'unconsciously' in today's society. Whilst you could attribute 'blame' to the companies advertising, the girl is still responsible for what she allows to influence her. If she was brought up differently, she would have been indifferent to the advertising etc.[/quote] But you [I]just fucking said it was an effect of society[/I]. You said that it was caused by society, and then you blamed the girl for it. Huzzah victim blaming! Also: "if she was a different person, she wouldn't have anorexia!" Well, she [I]isn't[/I], so she [I]does[/I]. "How dare someone submit to societal pressures surrounding them! Society is causing this problem... so let's blame the people for letting themselves getting affected by it. Who else would we blame? Society? Don't be silly!" [quote]There is tragically no solution for such emergences in the near future.[/quote] besides, you know actually stopping people from photoshopping models into twigs and not pressuring people to place as much value on being models [quote]Even if such adverts were banned, it would make no difference on the whole and symptoms would manifest elsewhere whilst people still choose to live their lives unconsciously.[/quote] "Even if we got rid of one of the causes, it would make no difference, because anorexia is a cause, not an effect, even though earlier I said it was an effect, not a cause" Jesus christ make up your fucking mind wait, how the [I]fuck[/I] would you even "choose" something unconsciously that's pretty much the opposite of choosing, since it isn't a conscious decision [quote]Also there are tons of fit lasses around, I bet half the posters ARENT airbrushed at all.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between being "fit" and being thinner than a fucking twig.
[QUOTE=Last or First;35811433]Yes, yes, and yes. People have an innate fear of death. Those that don't, die. Besides, there isn't much to spin on "when you die, you don't exist anymore". If you try and make that seem celebratory, then you come off as suicidal or wanting the other person to die. Hell, we've put a spin on it anyway, with religion, turning death into "when you die, you go to a paradise of eternal happiness", and people STILL get sad about it. Yes. Absolutely. In fact, there was a point where they didn't have words to describe them. People felt sad or happy, and wanted to describe it, so they made words. Just because something doesn't have a name doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The name comes after the existence. Yes and no, respectively. In order to name those, they had to exist in the first place. It's not like some asshole was all like "hey, everyone, what if there was a person who was sad all the time", and then some people in the audience were all "oh, that sounds interesting. I think I'll be depressed now". Reality doesn't work that way. Just because someone puts something in front of their face doesn't mean that they disappeared. Or does that "peek-a-boo!" trick still work on you? How does it relate to anything? Besides drugs, that is. Doctors noticed the medical condition, and then they named it. It's not like some doctors made up a name for something that didn't exist and then everyone decided to be it. They didn't fucking speak it into existence. They saw it, and described it. But you [I]just fucking said it was an effect of society[/I]. You said that it was caused by society, and then you blamed the girl for it. Huzzah victim blaming! Also: "if she was a different person, she wouldn't have anorexia!" Well, she [I]isn't[/I], so she [I]does[/I]. "How dare someone submit to societal pressures surrounding them! Society is causing this problem... so let's blame the people for letting themselves getting affected by it. Who else would we blame? Society? Don't be silly!" besides, you know actually stopping people from photoshopping models into twigs and not pressuring people to place as much value on being models "Even if we got rid of one of the causes, it would make no difference, because anorexia is a cause, not an effect, even though earlier I said it was an effect, not a cause" Jesus christ make up your fucking mind wait, how the [I]fuck[/I] would you even "choose" something unconsciously that's pretty much the opposite of choosing, since it isn't a conscious decision There's a difference between being "fit" and being thinner than a fucking twig.[/QUOTE] Some Valid points. No one 'photoshops models into twigs though'. Have you ever seen a model or genuinely attractive woman in your life? Some girls don't even need make-up to look incredible. I meant Anorexia is treated as if it is a cause, when it is in fact, an effect of society. I guess I didn't make it clear enough. Yeah I misworded some of my arguments and mislaid my stance on this in the spur of the moment. My bad.
There is a big movement for "Real women" modeling which uses average women and even overweight women in advertising. As for me I would rather people did that. Young girls assume guys only find twig thin women attractive when many men (Myself included) prefer average sized women with a few curves. When did being unnaturally thin become appealing? You would think we would be wired to look for others of a healthy average weight.
[QUOTE=imptastick;35811922]There is a big movement for "Real women" modeling which uses average women and even overweight women in advertising. As for me I would rather people did that. Young girls assume guys only find twig thin women attractive when many men (Myself included) prefer average sized women with a few curves. When did being unnaturally thin become appealing? You would think we would be wired to look for others of a healthy average weight.[/QUOTE] unnaturally thin is absolutely revolting. A little wee bit of fat never harmed anyone. [thumb]http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljb84xC8Rd1qglg5ro1_500.jpg[/thumb] as for overweight models, well, that's alright. Because she looks good, and is something that ACTUALLY exists and is ACTUALLY pretty considerable healthy, not some "Super model" who in reality would probably look like [thumb]http://blog.brazilianbikinishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/supermodel-eva-herzigova-in-a-bikini.jpg[/thumb] Health is real beauty.
Women in ads and magazines are always way to skinny, like they don't look attractive (or even fertile)
I thought these models being photoshopped/airbrushed was just common knowledge. You're pretty ill-informed if you need a sticker that says "AIRBRUSHED PHOTO" to know that.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;35812056]I thought these models being photoshopped/airbrushed was just common knowledge. You're pretty ill-informed if you need a sticker that says "AIRBRUSHED PHOTO" to know that.[/QUOTE] A lot of the people most affected are young and may not think about what that means, many people have no idea just how much Photoshop can change an image.
[QUOTE=The golden;35812039]I don't even know what started the trend of super skinny females. I have a hard time believing it's for sexual purposes - most males actually prefer curves. I've met very few people that like bone-racks.[/QUOTE] A girl without curves is like jeans without pockets. You don't know where to put your hands.
[QUOTE=The golden;35812039]I don't even know what started the trend of super skinny females. I have a hard time believing it's for sexual purposes - most males actually prefer curves. I've met very few people that like bone-racks.[/QUOTE] i'm not attracted to models in the first place hehheh. now musicians on the other-hand: [img]http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2011/08/Annie-Clark-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/2/17/1266409174079/Joanna-Newsom-medieval-sy-001.jpg[/img] [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-allears.gif[/IMG]
Why did the media and fashion industry become obsessed with ridiculously skinny women in the first place anyway?
[QUOTE=RobbL;35812471]Why did the media and fashion industry become obsessed with ridiculously skinny women in the first place anyway?[/QUOTE] would it surprise you if I told you that the media is completely stupid and seriously needs to just, stop? [QUOTE=thisispain;35812405]i'm not attracted to models in the first place hehheh. now musicians on the other-hand: [img]http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2011/08/Annie-Clark-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2010/2/17/1266409174079/Joanna-Newsom-medieval-sy-001.jpg[/img] where's that all-ears emote!?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-allears.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=RobbL;35812471]Why did the media and fashion industry become obsessed with ridiculously skinny women in the first place anyway?[/QUOTE] uh you're kidding right? anorexic models is actually a step up from the ridiculous things women had to do to look pretty centuries earlier.
[QUOTE=scout1;35803584]If you're dumb enough to buy into propaganda... The problem is that there's nothing but this, and it's shoved down your throat 24/7. Eventually, you will believe.[/QUOTE] There's plenty that isn't that. Besides, by that logic, all young girls should be anorexic.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35812724]uh you're kidding right? anorexic models is actually a step up from the ridiculous things women had to do to look pretty centuries earlier.[/QUOTE] What, like being fat?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35812908]What, like being fat?[/QUOTE] like this [IMG]http://www.elizabethanenglandlife.com/elizabethan-age-1.jpg[/IMG] AKA organ squeezing corsets, and over sized hot dresses, lead makeup.
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