Study Suggests: Hollywood Revenue down due to closure of Megaupload
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38624008]Imax theatres are usually in a place that there is no outside access too, and in my experience, usually have attendants around at nearly all times if not all times in one way or the other.
this isn't an experience that can be stolen by downloading at home either[/QUOTE]
ah I see
I'm not sure what his point is though
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38624000]No it's not
It's in fact a lot harder because there's so much leeway in "potential profit", what you consider potential profit, what you consider a loss, what you attribute those losses too. There's not a lot to determine what's what beyond what you say is what[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean; I agree
But ever since media was easily distributed we've been facing piracy; it's surprising we don't have a dialogue with which to discuss it yet
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38623731]No you don't understand.
It's still stealing. Whether or not the actual is being 'duplicated not removed' is irrelevant. You're stealing the experience of watching the film, which is what you get charged for when you go to the cinema or buy a DVD. It's about the [B]service[/B] you receive from the DVD, not the physical plastic disc itself.
If you sneak in to the cinema without paying, you're stealing. If you download a movie without paying, you're stealing.[/QUOTE]
It's the ultimate rhetoric. "Stealing" is a very nasty word. If you're stealing, you're bad. If you're not stealing, you're A-OK.
And thus both sides are very quick to declare, "THIS must be a given. THIS is only logical. Piracy is/is not stealing."
That being said, piracy is pretty clearly stealing, yes.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624019]ah I see
I'm not sure what his point is though
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I see what you mean; I agree
But ever since media was easily distributed we've been facing piracy; it's surprising we don't have a dialogue with which to discuss it yet[/QUOTE]
because the people who stand to profit from the continuation of this system see no reason to change
they'll either have to rule the world with an iron fist or disapear as we just move on to a system that ignores them. So far, that's piracy, tape trading, disc burning
There have been serious thoughts about enacting costs for showing a DVD to friends, just the logistics of it make the idea almost impossible as of now.
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38624059]It's the ultimate rhetoric. "Stealing" is a very nasty word. If you're stealing, you're bad. If you're not stealing, you're A-OK.
And thus both sides are very quick to declare, "THIS must be a given. THIS is only logical. Piracy is/is not stealing."
That being said, piracy is pretty clearly stealing, yes.[/QUOTE]
Oh god damn it.
you're ridiculous
seriously you're going to believe yourself outside of your own generalization of one side being right(your side convienently enough) and the other wrong in such a fucking black and white fashion?
if there was a medal for mental gymnastics, you just took the silver
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624015]
why would I moan about it not being from ebay?[/QUOTE]
media companies hate people reselling their dvds/blurays.
TECHNICALLY here is where they do lose money, but again... I don't care.
I feel that if we made piracy legal, then many, many more people would do it and ultimately the film industry would crash
But if the industry tried to monetise and regulate piracy then they'd just be labelled as money grabbing dickheads
I don't see a way out
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[QUOTE=AK'z;38624078]media companies hate people reselling their dvds/blurays.
TECHNICALLY here is where they do lose money, but again... I don't care.[/QUOTE]
You don't care... why?
You're aware that without any money they wouldn't be able to make films?
Yes they make massive profits, but a lot of that goes back into making more films.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624081]I feel that if we made piracy legal, then many, many more people would do it and ultimately the film industry would crash
But if the industry tried to monetise and regulate piracy then they'd just be labelled as money grabbing dickheads
I don't see a way out[/QUOTE]
the way out is the industry crashing really, in its current form it won't sustain profits unless it forces the world to agree to a view that isn't it's own
that doesn't mean the end to film, the end to blockbusters, or the end to works of art in the cinema. It means a changing of paradigm. Getting it away from studios may be a huge and tumtous shift, but it'll happen in one way or the other, it's not like companies will step out entirely, their involvement will just have to shift. We'll also no doubt see a crash in actor paychecks. Thank fuck.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624081]
You don't care... why?
You're aware that without any money they wouldn't be able to make films?
Yes they make massive profits, but a lot of that goes back into making more films.[/QUOTE]
As long as there is electricity, movies will always be made. :-)
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38624097]the way out is the industry crashing really, in its current form it won't sustain profits unless it forces the world to agree to a view that isn't it's own
that doesn't mean the end to film, the end to blockbusters, or the end to works of art in the cinema. It means a changing of paradigm. Getting it away from studios may be a huge and tumtous shift, but it'll happen in one way or the other, it's not like companies will step out entirely, their involvement will just have to shift. We'll also no doubt see a crash in actor paychecks. Thank fuck.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that; I'm not sure why actors get paid so much and get so much special treatment in comparison to mic holders and lighting directors
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624081]a lot of that goes back into making more films.[/QUOTE]
what if the money goes into making a HUGE DISASTER like "Mars Needs Moms".
That film lost a cool $100 million.
Why is all this necessarily such a good thing to you? I think it's good that we can have $300 million budget blockbusters.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38624107]As long as there is electricity, movies will always be made. :-)[/QUOTE]
if you'd be happy watching silent-film era movies for the rest of your life then sweet as, buddy
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[QUOTE=AK'z;38624112]what if the money goes into making a HUGE DISASTER like "Mars Needs Moms".
That film lost a cool $100 million.[/QUOTE]
well then like Mars Needs Moms and John Carter, the studio loses a lot of money and, depending on their previous success rate, may die entirely
If you'd put together a rational argument at any point then I'd have some respect but it seems like your general attitude is 'fuck the movie makers who make the films I enjoy', which is just silly
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624111]Amen to that; I'm not sure why actors get paid so much and get so much special treatment in comparison to mic holders and lighting directors[/QUOTE]
because of the world of celeberity. Actors go through a lot of work, I've done enough acting in indie films to know that it's not easy by any means, but it's also not the hardest job
having actually been a director of photography on a few small indie shows, that's honestly one of the hardest jobs to do well and do constantly.
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38624119]Why is all this necessarily such a good thing to you? I think it's good that we can have $300 million budget blockbusters.[/QUOTE]
I work in this industry. I don't want to see the end of those things. We most likely won't. But the expense and over sized ridiculousness that is most massive blockbusters that have long since forgone the rules of story telling with any level of love(great movies are still made, great blockbusters are still made, but the massive, massive films rarely manage to be great on everything as they get caught up in their own grandeur.
It also breeds a type of film maker that kill films with their ego and arrogance, and their inability to tell anything but a basic and plotholed story.
I see change as a good thing when it's warranted by the failure of a system to adapt. Why do you see the failure to fall in line with the studios as a bad thing
why do you see the theft of money in ever rising ticket prices for diminishing shows with the focus of 3D in recent years? Why do you see studios paying more money for marketing on average films than they do paying the hardest working of people on the film?
What on earth do you see going right here
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[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624121]if you'd be happy watching silent-film era movies for the rest of your life then sweet as, buddy
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well then like Mars Needs Moms and John Carter, the studio loses a lot of money and, depending on their previous success rate, may die entirely
If you'd put together a rational argument at any point then I'd have some respect but it seems like your general attitude is 'fuck the movie makers who make the films I enjoy', which is just silly[/QUOTE]
No, technology is moving forward at a rate that is incredible. Especially in cameras, editing, VFX, SFX, and most importantly, getting the film to an audience.
A lot of people say this is the death of film. What this is is a learning period for a new generation of film makers being greeted with the abilities to make most large scale VFX and SFX worlds at home for fewer than a million dollars. I seriously am with Ak'z on this. I don't have a lot of money, I still make movies because it's a love of the craft. Many people also have this, this always, and inevitably drives growth and change and art in any industry.
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I'll also add, as a person making movies, once my film has hit the indie film circuit at festivals, I'm going to be psyched everytime a person watches the film on vimeo or youtube because it's getting the shit around, it's getting it out there and seen.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38623632]Piracy is another form of advertisement. :v:
Try before you buy.[/QUOTE]
If your sales are still shitty, then you'll be the only one to blame :v:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38624127]because of the world of celeberity. Actors go through a lot of work, I've done enough acting in indie films to know that it's not easy by any means, but it's also not the hardest job
having actually been a director of photography on a few small indie shows, that's honestly one of the hardest jobs to do well and do constantly.
[editline]28th November 2012[/editline]
I work in this industry. I don't want to see the end of those things. We most likely won't. But the expense and over sized ridiculousness that is most massive blockbusters that have long since forgone the rules of story telling with any level of love(great movies are still made, great blockbusters are still made, but the massive, massive films rarely manage to be great on everything as they get caught up in their own grandeur.
It also breeds a type of film maker that kill films with their ego and arrogance, and their inability to tell anything but a basic and plotholed story.
I see change as a good thing when it's warranted by the failure of a system to adapt. Why do you see the failure to fall in line with the studios as a bad thing
why do you see the theft of money in ever rising ticket prices for diminishing shows with the focus of 3D in recent years? Why do you see studios paying more money for marketing on average films than they do paying the hardest working of people on the film?
What on earth do you see going right here
[editline]28th November 2012[/editline]
No, technology is moving forward at a rate that is incredible. Especially in cameras, editing, VFX, SFX, and most importantly, getting the film to an audience.
A lot of people say this is the death of film. What this is is a learning period for a new generation of film makers being greeted with the abilities to make most large scale VFX and SFX worlds at home for fewer than a million dollars. I seriously am with Ak'z on this. I don't have a lot of money, I still make movies because it's a love of the craft. Many people also have this, this always, and inevitably drives growth and change and art in any industry.
[editline]28th November 2012[/editline]
I'll also add, as a person making movies, once my film has hit the indie film circuit at festivals, I'm going to be psyched everytime a person watches the film on vimeo or youtube because it's getting the shit around, it's getting it out there and seen.[/QUOTE]
I was responding to his apparent desire to have a film industry at such a financial low that they create films using only the minimal cost of electricity and nothing else
I think independent media is great, don't get me wrong about that
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624212]I was responding to his apparent desire to have a film industry at such a financial low that they create films using only the minimal cost of electricity and nothing else
I think independent media is great, don't get me wrong about that[/QUOTE]
I don't see why this is a bad thing. As technology develops, things are made easier to do...
[QUOTE=AK'z;38624265]I don't see why this is a bad thing. As technology develops, things are made easier to do...[/QUOTE]
I like that there are Avatars and Transformerses and Inceptions and Dark Knights. I don't see these things being particularly viable in such a land.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38624017]Imax is objectively the greatest way you can experience a film. :-)
"Experiencing it on blu-ray or a crap transcode found on piratebay" doesn't compare and those people would agree.[/QUOTE]
Disagree, I've never felt that Imax, or 3D for that matter, added to the experience.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38623774]You know what really damages revenues?
All those kiosks that sell the pirated films/movies for a buck a piece.[/QUOTE]
Shit movies and high prices damage revenues more.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38624328]Disagree, I've never felt that Imax, or 3D for that matter, added to the experience.[/QUOTE]
I agree
I mean for the first few minutes I'm like 'Wow look at the size of this screen!' but after that it's just a film on a screen
[QUOTE=AK'z;38623726]Right at this moment, the media companies have the upper hand as Blu-Ray is literally the most efficient medium to deliver high quality with ease.
Unless you're willing to spend upwards of £70 a month on internet for 120MB broadband, you'll be out of hope to get that quality for another 10 years when ISPs get their act together (e.g. Virgin)
Think about it... unless people are able to STREAM at 20 megabytes a second, they won't be getting the highest quality.
Even DVDs stream at about 6 megabytes at a second, I highly doubt 1% of the population can download at that speed...[/QUOTE]
The world isn't limited to the USA, UK and Australia. Europe and Asia have ridiculous internet speeds for measly fees.
I wonder if my 2D glasses work in imax, guess I'll find out at the hobbit's premiere.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38624341]I wonder if my 2D glasses work in imax, guess I'll find out at the hobbit's premiere.[/QUOTE]
Genuine polarized sunglasses work.
Piracy arguments are a lubed-up slippery slope uphill bothways
[QUOTE=1STrandomman;38623897]What do you think about try before you buy?[/QUOTE]
That's what trailers and demos are for.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38624381]Piracy arguments are a lubed-up slippery slope uphill bothways
That's what trailers and demos are for.[/QUOTE]
Most modern games don't bother with demos, or more jarringly, don't bother with demos on all platforms.
For movies - [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverTrustATrailer"]trailers always lie[/URL].
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38624280]I like that there are Avatars and Transformerses and Inceptions and Dark Knights. I don't see these things being particularly viable in such a land.[/QUOTE]
and you're who to talk about this with what experience in the ever growing and changing industry?
This won't disappear.
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[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38624328]Disagree, I've never felt that Imax, or 3D for that matter, added to the experience.[/QUOTE]
Imax in the sweet spot seat is an experience I've never felt anything like.
Like holy shit if you're a cinephile at all, it's just... incredible.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38624424]and you're who to talk about this with what experience in the ever growing and changing industry?
This won't disappear.
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Imax in the sweet spot seat is an experience I've never felt anything like.
Like holy shit if you're a cinephile at all, it's just... incredible.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not all cinephiles are the same? :v:
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38624328]Disagree, I've never felt that Imax, or 3D for that matter, added to the experience.[/QUOTE]
You been to an actual imax screen?
3 double decker buses high and the amazing sound.
Noone is talking about 3d either.
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[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624332]it's just a film on a screen[/QUOTE]
If that's what you think, then you must not care that much.
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[QUOTE=Stopper;38624335]The world isn't limited to the USA, UK and Australia. Europe and Asia have ridiculous internet speeds for measly fees.[/QUOTE]
Just convert the currency over, it's not difficult.
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38624280]I like that there are Avatars and Transformerses and Inceptions and Dark Knights. I don't see these things being particularly viable in such a land.[/QUOTE]
You must have some narrow view of films if all you care about is high budget.
I don't think you understood me. Europe and Asia's internet is [I]cheap[/I] and [I]fast[/I]. Seriously, read my post again.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38625066]You been to an actual imax screen?
3 double decker buses high and the amazing sound.
Noone is talking about 3d either.
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If that's what you think, then you must not care that much.
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Just convert the currency over, it's not difficult.
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You must have some narrow view of films if all you care about is high budget.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have been to actual imax screens, both normal and 3D imax. I quickly got over it and don't find it worth the increase in ticket cost.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38623914]My only argument is that the 'it's not stealing because the original object is in tact' is not a valid argument and not a valid way to justify piracy[/QUOTE]
This. I wish people stop saying this. It's so pathetic. There are several better arguments for piracy than this.
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