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[QUOTE=redhaven;38625231]This. I wish people stop saying this. It's so pathetic. There are several better arguments for piracy than this.[/QUOTE] It's wrong though, it's not stealing. The simple fact is that the wrong word is used because stealing sounds worse than infringing on copyright. Sneaking into a movie theater isn't stealing either, it's actually much worse. It's breaking and entering (depending on your state/country's laws it might only be entering).
[QUOTE=redhaven;38625231]This. I wish people stop saying this. It's so pathetic. There are several better arguments for piracy than this.[/QUOTE] Except it really isn't stealing.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38625246]It's wrong though, it's not stealing.[/QUOTE] You want to branch the arguement into something more pointless? [editline]28th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Stopper;38625155]Europe and Asia's internet is [I]cheap[/I] and [I]fast[/I].[/QUOTE] how much would it cost? when you don't give information, I lose interest in reading your post.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38625301]You want to branch the arguement into something more pointless? [editline]28th November 2012[/editline] how much would it cost? when you don't give information, I lose interest in reading your post.[/QUOTE] Here are some shiny numbers to occupy your wandering mind: [B]88 mbit for $17/month[/B] Right now I'm on [B]44 mbit for $7/month[/B]. It takes me less time to download an HDTV movie than it does to go to the store and buy it.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38625376]Here are some shiny numbers to occupy your wandering mind: [B]88 mbit for $17/month[/B] Right now I'm on [B]44 mbit for $7/month[/B]. It takes me less time to download an HDTV movie than it does to go to the store and buy it.[/QUOTE] But does that make it right? At the end of the day, a lot of the issues that the Movie industry and Music industry are having are because of us. Its the reason MTV only shows reality shows, because we made the music video useless.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38625390]But does that make it right?[/QUOTE] I don't go to the cinema, I don't buy movies (a couple of exceptions). I never would've given them money. It's been said a million times - theoretical losses aren't actual losses.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38625398]I don't go to the cinema, I don't buy movies (a couple of exceptions). I never would've given them money. It's been said a million times - theoretical losses aren't actual losses.[/QUOTE] Then lets find out what the actual losses are instead of letting the companies run around with theoretical losses. This argument is as void of evidence as it is as void of reasoning.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38625390]At the end of the day, a lot of the issues that the Movie industry and Music industry are having are because of us. Its the reason MTV only shows reality shows, because we made the music video useless.[/QUOTE] Now that is just not true. I used to listen (watch, I guess) to VH1 all the time (TV on, I'm doing something else and listening to music), but now VH1 is basically MTV - modern pop hits, etc. etc. That's when I stopped watching.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38623787]what's wrong with that sentence? It's entirely true. Why else would they get you to pay to enter a cinema?[/QUOTE] Except when you sneak into a cinema, if you download a film you get a 2 year prison sentence. [editline]28th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Maloof?;38623914]Yes but films take a lot of money to make I mean many movies can cost into the hundreds of millions to make, and they need to make at least twice that much in order to be able to finance the next film. I'm not staunchly against piracy, not by a long shot. My only argument is that the 'it's not stealing because the original object is in tact' is not a valid argument and not a valid way to justify piracy[/QUOTE] I hope you don't watch your films with friends who haven't also bought their own copies, otherwise you're allowing them to steal the experience without paying.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38625416]Now that is just not true. I used to listen (watch, I guess) to VH1 all the time (TV on, I'm doing something else and listening to music), but now VH1 is basically MTV - modern pop hits, etc. etc. That's when I stopped watching.[/QUOTE] But VH1 was a response to MTV no longer play music videos.\ Also, I'll wait till you're unbanned to continue the discussion.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38623731]No you don't understand. It's still stealing. Whether or not the actual is being 'duplicated not removed' is irrelevant. You're stealing the experience of watching the film, which is what you get charged for when you go to the cinema or buy a DVD. It's about the [B]service[/B] you receive from the DVD, not the physical plastic disc itself. If you sneak in to the cinema without paying, you're stealing. If you download a movie without paying, you're stealing.[/QUOTE] It is not legally considered stealing, it's legally called copyright infringement, because it doesn't fit the legal definition of stealing You're wrong move on
[QUOTE=Stopper;38625376]Here are some shiny numbers to occupy your wandering mind: [B]88 mbit for $17/month[/B] Right now I'm on [B]44 mbit for $7/month[/B]. It takes me less time to download an HDTV movie than it does to go to the store and buy it.[/QUOTE] holy moley...
it's pretty obvious that they're pushing the 'issue of piracy' as a reason to control the internet.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38625398]I don't go to the cinema, I don't buy movies (a couple of exceptions). I never would've given them money. It's been said a million times - theoretical losses aren't actual losses.[/QUOTE] This is more than likely due to the fact you know you have the option of not giving them money because someone will have it uploaded on the internet soon enough. If piracy weren't a thing, or was a ton more time/ resource intensive, you would more likely spend your money on goods. Clearly you want to consume their media, you're pirating it after all. The fact you are willing to pirate it is enough reason to count you as a theoretical loss. Or an actual loss in most cases.
In another way to put it, less people are going to restaurants. They are able to get the same ingredients and save time and money by doing it in the peace of their own home. :-) [editline]28th November 2012[/editline] and it makes sense because if people "require" quality, they'd put the effort to go out of their home to get that service.
The last three CDs I bought I downloaded most of the music offline first.
[QUOTE=imptastick;38626127]The last three CDs I bought I downloaded most of the music offline first.[/QUOTE] with music it's the same deal, it's widely agreed that seeing the artist live is the best way to experience their music.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38626099]and it makes sense because if people "require" quality, they'd put the effort to go out of their home to get that service.[/QUOTE] It's one of the reasons the only time I will watch a film (that isn't on TV), is when I go to a cinema. Because the quality and experience are worth it more than buying/ pirating a DVD/ DVD rip. Otherwise I tend to totally skip over watching something.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;38626227]the only time I will watch a film is when I go to a cinema.[/QUOTE] that's a bit extreme but yeah.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;38623684]Piracy 2, DRM 0. For the record, first point is because original product not being stolen, but copied, leaving the original product 100% intact. Second is this. If product turned out to be crap, well at least you weren't ripped off that 50 bucks.[/quote] I hate how pirates always use that logic. It's a product that you pay for. You do not pay for it. You are obtaining it without purchasing it. That is stealing.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;38626345]I hate how pirates always use that logic. It's a product that you pay for. You do not pay for it. You are obtaining it without purchasing it. That is stealing.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's copyright infringement. The difference is pretty significant.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;38626345]It's a product[/QUOTE] That's incorrect. A product is directly made by the manufacturer. The data people share is "re-encoded" by the sharer, thus becoming something different to the original product. Representing the same thing, but not being the same. But yeah it's copyright infringement bla bla bla.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38626447]That's incorrect. A product is directly made by the manufacturer. The data people share is "re-encoded" by the sharer, thus becoming something different to the original product. Representing the same thing, but not being the same. But yeah it's copyright infringement bla bla bla.[/QUOTE] Well you could argue that the license is the actual product they sell.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38623726]Right at this moment, the media companies have the upper hand as Blu-Ray is literally the most efficient medium to deliver high quality with ease. Unless you're willing to spend upwards of £70 a month on internet for 120MB broadband, you'll be out of hope to get that quality for another 10 years when ISPs get their act together (e.g. Virgin) Think about it... unless people are able to STREAM at 20 megabytes a second, they won't be getting the highest quality. Even DVDs stream at about 6 megabytes at a second, I highly doubt 1% of the population can download at that speed...[/QUOTE] Here in Lithuania we get 100mbps for £12/month. Pirate Bay has all the Linux distros I need in atleast 720p. I'll let you put 2 and 2 together.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38626447]That's incorrect. A product is directly made by the manufacturer. The data people share is "re-encoded" by the sharer, thus becoming something different to the original product. Representing the same thing, but not being the same. But yeah it's copyright infringement bla bla bla.[/QUOTE] What the fuck. Are you seriously pulling the "it's not the original product because the files are different" argument? It doesn't make an ounce of difference. The movie you're watching is still Ironman 2. The fact that the sharer "re-encoded" it doesn't suddenly make your choice to not pay for the product, be it via netflix or a physical DVD, morally sound.
[QUOTE=DeadKiller987;38626531]Here in Lithuania we get 100mbps for £12/month. Pirate Bay has all the Linux distros I [B]need[/B] in atleast 720p. I'll let you put 2 and 2 together.[/QUOTE] Here's one of the problems I have with people who believe piracy is totally justified. You have this "need" for the content you are taking, it shouldn't be a need, it is a want. You really feel so entitled to some content that you can say you "need" it?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;38626538]What the fuck. Are you seriously pulling the "it's not the original product because the files are different" argument? It doesn't make an ounce of difference. The movie you're watching is still Ironman 2. The fact that the sharer "re-encoded" it doesn't suddenly make your choice to not pay for the product, be it via netflix or a physical DVD, morally sound.[/QUOTE] He's not pro piracy afaik, you know.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38624332]I agree I mean for the first few minutes I'm like 'Wow look at the size of this screen!' but after that it's just a film on a screen[/QUOTE] Awful logic Ooh, a monitor. It has colours! i'm leaving this is uninteresting ;_;
sneaking into a movie theater is trespassing, not theft. Illegally downloading a movie is copyright infringement. (and gaining access to a resource you should not be able to. whatever that is.)
[QUOTE=Maloof?;38623731]Whether or not the actual is being 'duplicated not removed' is irrelevant.[/QUOTE] [quote]Theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent [I]with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it[/I].[/quote] Literally wrong.
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