Yeah, we should totally legalize drugs that are banned for good reason, because the cartels would be shut down [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-downs.gif[/img]
Seriously, legalizing weed may be entirely fine, but it's only going to screw the cartels out of a single source of income.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35571829]I imagine mexicans, people who live in mexico, people who live near the mexican border and people with a sense of empathy would care about what the cartels are doing.
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None of that matters when I'm high, except maybe a taco
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571904]Yeah, we should totally legalize drugs that are banned for good reason, because the cartels would be shut down [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-downs.gif[/img]
Seriously, legalizing weed may be entirely fine, but it's only going to screw the cartels out of a single source of income.[/QUOTE]
There's rarely a good reason for banning a drug man, it's a persons own body let em do whatever the fuck they want to it. Jesus there are people that bisect their own dicks and tongues cause they want to and we don't stop them so why not let em have a joint at the end of the day or shoot up when they just need to relax?
Aye you're only doing em out of one source of income, so legalise across the board and just keep everything well controlled.
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[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35571924]None of that matters when I'm high, except maybe a taco[/QUOTE]
Well that's a damn shame that you stop caring about stuff when you're high, I've never achieved a full zombie high before so I always retain a sense of empathy.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571904]Seriously, legalizing weed may be entirely fine, but it's only going to screw the cartels out of a single source of income.[/QUOTE]
yeah. their [I]biggest source of income[/I]
how do people still not get this?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;35571747]Fuck, I cant believe I supported Obama, hes as much of a drug puppet as the rest of em
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Rule of Law my ass, see how that has worked out for them so far?[/QUOTE]
Regretting supporting someone just because they don't believe in ONE thing that you support is completely idiotic.
Besides, it's not like his campaign slogan was "Yes we can (smoke weed erryday)." He hardly made any promises about legalizing drugs, and he certainly does seem open to some sort of compromise on the subject. Give him a chance, he'll surprise you. It'd probably be after his reelection though. Gots ta think about the votes.
[QUOTE=Furioso;35571083]yup. the reason why we haven't heard anything about big chicago mobsters since the 30s is simply because prohibition ended.
we should at least legalize cannabis and hemp products, and have the government regulate it... who's going to buy from cartels when they can buy it legally from the government? especially if it's offered at prices that undercut the cartels'. obviously, marijuana isn't their only source of income, but it is one of their biggest ones, and it would severely weaken the cartels' power
the new, flourishing cannabis and hemp industries would be an enormous contribution to the economy, along with the billions in tax revenue the government would be raking in
solve the defecit with weed[/QUOTE]
I don't see why we should stop at pot. Though drugs like cocaine and heroin are far more harmful, legalizing and regulating them would surely help the problem. Not to mention the additional revenue brought in by taxes and the prison population shooting way the fuck down.
Legalize, tax, and regulate all the things.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35571931]There's rarely a good reason for banning a drug man, it's a persons own body let em do whatever the fuck they want to it. Jesus there are people that bisect their own dicks and tongues cause they want to and we don't stop them so why not let em have a joint at the end of the day or shoot up when they just need to relax?
Aye you're only doing em out of one source of income, so legalise across the board and just keep everything well controlled.[/QUOTE]
Totally not any examples of drugs that make you, you know, hurt other people. Even if you think that allowing access for any person to anything that might fuck them up as long as it won't hurt anyone else is fine and dandy morally.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;35571966]I don't see why we should stop at pot. Though drugs like cocaine and heroin are far more harmful, legalizing and regulating them would surely help the problem. Not to mention the additional revenue brought in by taxes and the prison population shooting way the fuck down.
Legalize, tax, and regulate all the things.[/QUOTE]
release nonviolent drug offenders and you've opened up a large portion of the "overcrowded prison system" to boot
Drugs like cocaine and heroin are mostly dangerous because they can be cut with shit like baby powder and the like, the drug itself is dangerous aye but the cutting agents a major part of the danger.
Also when folk take fucking mongo doses which could easily be controlled by just giving out like auto injectors with set doses for heroin and like sachets with set doses of coke.
[QUOTE=Furioso;35571946]yeah. their [I]biggest source of income[/I]
how do people still not get this?[/QUOTE]
And who says that cartels make near-all of their money from the sale of pot?
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571997]And who says that cartels make near-all of their money from the sale of pot?[/QUOTE]
read the thread you muppet, holy shit
someone posted a link to wikipedia in the first page stating that theory, which quite clearly lists this as a source
[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126978142[/url]
[quote]Mexico, the world's largest exporter of marijuana, sends almost all of its crops to the U.S. Cannabis also accounts for almost half the cartels' revenues, according to an estimate from the Mexican attorney general's office.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571985]Totally not any examples of drugs that make you, you know, hurt other people. Even if you think that allowing access for any person to anything that might fuck them up as long as it won't hurt anyone else is fine and dandy morally.[/QUOTE]
There is no single drug that makes someone hurt someone, that'll only happen if the drug taker is a complete mongo and a violent asshole, and no I didn't say free and open access, there should be checks for people to get access, anyone with any violent tendencies shouldn't be allowed near any drugs that can cause them to become aggressive.
Even then you could always just have designated places for people to use their drugs, kind of like a hostel type deal where folk get a room with an intercom in case there's any issues with security and medics on standby.
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[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571997]And who says that cartels make near-all of their money from the sale of pot?[/QUOTE]
Dude something like 50% of some cartels incomes are based of off weed.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35571985]Totally not any examples of drugs that make you, you know, hurt other people. Even if you think that allowing access for any person to anything that might fuck them up as long as it won't hurt anyone else is fine and dandy morally.[/QUOTE]
If I understand you right, what you're saying is that there is a drug that makes you hurt other people.
Is that what you're saying? Please show me this drug, because right now I'm under the impression that you're talking out of your ass.
[QUOTE=Furioso;35571946]yeah. their [I]biggest source of income[/I]
how do people still not get this?[/QUOTE]
Because it won't "screw them out of it" entirely.
Legalisation != low costs, taxes and tarrifs will be slapped on, the dealers can generally offer a cheaper price due to the lack of them.
In addition to that, they're not going to sit back idly bawling their eyes out about how it's stopping their revenue stream, they'll start doing things to circumvent it. Hell, I'd imagine that they'd give money to lobbyists anonymously to try to keep it illegal.
I believe that weed should be legal, but saying that legalising would basically be a panacea is not true.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35571768]Who gives a shit about cartels, legalize weed already.[/QUOTE]
it isn't that simple
[QUOTE=Furioso;35572030]read the thread you muppet, holy shit
someone posted a link to wikipedia in the first page stating that theory, which quite clearly lists this as a source
[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126978142[/url][/QUOTE]
Yep, but notice how it never mentions the relative sales of other drugs? I can say that Best Buy makes millions of dollars from the sales of widescreen TVs, but where does that leave everything else they sell?
[QUOTE=Terminutter;35572099]Because it won't "screw them out of it" entirely.
Legalisation != low costs, taxes and tarrifs will be slapped on, the dealers can generally offer a cheaper price due to the lack of them.
In addition to that, they're not going to sit back idly bawling their eyes out about how it's stopping their revenue stream, they'll start doing things to circumvent it. Hell, I'd imagine that they'd give money to lobbyists anonymously to try to keep it illegal.
I believe that weed should be legal, but saying that legalising would basically be a panacea is not true.[/QUOTE]
let me just direct you to [url=http://facepunch.com/threads/1177409?p=35571367&viewfull=1#post35571367]pepin's very intelligently worded post[/url]
again, not saying that the legalization of cannabis would be an end-all solution to the cartels, but it would be a [I]huge step in the right direction[/I]
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[QUOTE=Greenen72;35572112]Yep, but notice how it never mentions the relative sales of other drugs? I can say that Best Buy makes millions of dollars from the sales of widescreen TVs, but where does that leave everything else they sell?[/QUOTE]
what does that have to do with anything? the point is that if you cripple their biggest source of income, they'd be weakened pretty severely, opening up the way for new or previously nonviable methods of dealing with the cartels
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35572112]Yep, but notice how it never mentions the relative sales of other drugs? I can say that Best Buy makes millions of dollars from the sales of widescreen TVs, but where does that leave everything else they sell?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/mexican-drug-lord-officia_b_179596.html[/url]
Have a gander.
US Govt competing with cartels in drug sales, now that's something I'd love to see
Maybe in the fucking CIA didn't get the whole drug boom going off in the first place, we wouldn't have the issue explode past critical mass into the problem it is today.
Legalization is going to be necessary to cut off their funding, from there it's up to the military to root out the cartels.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35572203][url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/mexican-drug-lord-officia_b_179596.html[/url]
Have a gander.[/QUOTE]
[quote]According to sources in the Mexican government, President Calderon is begging American officials to, in the words of reggae great Peter Tosh, legalize it. "Oh yeah," said an official close to the Mexican president, "Felipe is going crazy. He's screaming at everybody who comes in, 'Why don't they make this sh*t legal already! You're killing me here!' [B]Look, everyone knows, when you have Prohibition, you create gangsters. And the more you prohibit, the more gangsters you make. El Chapo is hero now to all those slumdogs who want to be millionaires. Kids in the street, when they play games, they all want to be El Chapo, the baddest man in the whole damn town."[/B][/quote]
fucking wisdom.
And yes, the CIA was the kickstarter. Irrational fear of communism meant they did anything they could to funnel money to pro-US regimes.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35572203][url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/mexican-drug-lord-officia_b_179596.html[/url]
Have a gander.[/QUOTE]
I may just be bad at reading, but I don't see anything in there relevant to my post :)
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35572282]I may just be bad at reading, but I don't see anything in there relevant to my post :)[/QUOTE]
then you've missed the point entirely
[QUOTE=Furioso;35572295]then you've missed the point entirely[/QUOTE]
The article stated they made a lot of money, but not how much of it came from pot versus other sources :)
RICO killed the mafia, it had nothing to do with prohibition. The cosa nostra was at the height of their power in the 40's-70's
In other news, president obama is about as in touch with reali.ty as a new born baby.
Of course it isn't gonna work, cartels will just get their money from other places. It's not like they're short on sources.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;35572282]I may just be bad at reading, but I don't see anything in there relevant to my post :)[/QUOTE]
Man you are a special kind of special, you're the kind of special people tell tales of.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;35572352]RICO killed the mafia, it had nothing to do with prohibition. The cosa nostra was at the height of their power in the 40's-70's[/QUOTE]
the cessation of prohibition is what paved the way to things like RICO. we can begin the process for such things in Mexico as well, but it has to start with ending the war on drugs and beginning the war on cartels.
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[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35572408]Man you are a special kind of special, you're the kind of special people tell tales of.[/QUOTE]
he's a muppet, don't bother with that one
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[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35572406]Of course it isn't gonna work, cartels will just get their money from other places. It's not like they're short on sources.[/QUOTE]
let me paint you a scenario:
let's kill half your paycheck
things just got a lot harder, didn't it
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