Republicans Know More About Politics Than Democrats, Says Study

[Turnips5]

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35705929]Er..
fuck[/QUOTE]

well, that's a better reaction than actually trying to justify the holocaust

[Combine_dumb]

[QUOTE=GunFox;35703271]Yes, there is completely a right and a wrong.

Pouring endless sums of money into defense? Wrong.

Stripping money out of education? Wrong.

Removing all liability and oversight of businesses? Wrong.

The list is endless. I'm not playing this game anymore. Coddling the right wing fuckwads has destroyed us.[/QUOTE]Once again, everything you just stated is your own personal opinion. Given that I agree with what you said, it doesn't make it right or wrong, it makes it an opinion we both share. There are people out there who would disagree with you about all of those things and have a reason for doing so.

Pouring endless sums of money into defense definitely benefits our military industrial complex at the expense of the people they're innately killing for profit. Stripping money out of education benefits the taxpayers at the expense of the children of future generations who won't have the quality of education they did. Removing all liability and oversight of businesses benefits the businesses themselves at the expense of the taxpayers and the consumers.

Every policy decision benefits and hurts something. You could argue that the "correct" policy would be the one that would benefit the biggest majority, and while being "correct" it would still merely be your opinion because there would still be someone somewhere that would disagree with you because it may negatively affect them. The other question at hand is will the policy in question hurt the minority populous too much, or will they survive its after-effects?

The point I'm trying to make here is while you and I personally feel that we need to cut defense, fund education more, etc. It's still merely our opinions because the only reason we hold those beliefs is because they would ultimately benefit us. We don't care about who would be hurt as a result of those actions because all we're worried about is ourselves. Now while that may come across as cynical on our part, it could be a FACT that it would benefit the greater majority of our society in the end.

The world is a lot less black and white than some people may think. What sounds good on paper may not play out well when put into action. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a try, because we'll never know until we actually try something.

But people are afraid to do that nowadays. All our elected officials are afraid to change anything because they might isolate voters and not be reelected. So the basis of our problems stems from the flaws of a democratic system of government.

I get what you're saying and I sympathize with it, but the solution to our economic and social problems goes WAAAAAAAAAY higher than persuading government officials to enact these policy changes. The corruption runs too deep and everybody is afraid to actually change anything. I don't have a solution though, because what rational solution is there?

So yeah.

[Noble]

[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;35706056]Once again, everything you just stated is your own personal opinion. Given that I agree with what you said, it doesn't make it right or wrong, it makes it an opinion we both share. There are people out there who would disagree with you about all of those things and have a reason for doing so.

Pouring endless sums of money into defense definitely benefits our military industrial complex at the expense of the people they're innately killing for profit. Stripping money out of education benefits the taxpayers at the expense of the children of future generations who won't have the quality of education they did. Removing all liability and oversight of businesses benefits the businesses themselves at the expense of the taxpayers and the consumers.

Every policy decision benefits and hurts something. You could argue that the "correct" policy would be the one that would benefit the biggest majority, and while being "correct" it would still merely be your opinion because there would still be someone somewhere that would disagree with you because it may negatively affect them. The other question at hand is will the policy in question hurt the minority populous too much, or will they survive its after-effects?

The point I'm trying to make here is while you and I personally feel that we need to cut defense, fund education more, etc. It's still merely our opinions because the only reason we hold those beliefs is because they would ultimately benefit us. We don't care about who would be hurt as a result of those actions because all we're worried about is ourselves. Now while that may come across as cynical on our part, it could be a FACT that it would benefit the greater majority of our society in the end.

The world is a lot less black and white than some people may think. What sounds good on paper may not play out well when put into action. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a try, because we'll never know until we actually try something.

But people are afraid to do that nowadays. All our elected officials are afraid to change anything because they might isolate voters and not be reelected. So the basis of our problems stems from the flaws of a democratic system of government.

I get what you're saying and I sympathize with it, but the solution to our economic and social problems goes WAAAAAAAAAY higher than persuading government officials to enact these policy changes. The corruption runs too deep and everybody is afraid to actually change anything. I don't have a solution though, because what rational solution is there?

So yeah.[/QUOTE]

I think a better way to discuss this would be to ask what exactly Gunfox means by "wrong". In what ways are those things "wrong"? It seems a bit ambiguous.

[Hail Satan]

[QUOTE=Fables;35705913]Hitler should have killed all the Jews.

Go.[/QUOTE]

How else was he supposed to get all their precious juice?