Tim Cook: Highest Android switch that we’ve ever measured - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Levelog;48278587]Not really an option since it's a work phone.[/QUOTE] Ah, bugger It's a shame Apple are so against downgrading

[QUOTE=Sableye;48279282]How about I send you a text and check your notifications or connect two devices to your macbook air, or actually look at the specs on all their laptops and compair to other manufacturers specs and or notice how long it takes them to update their laptops[/QUOTE] No complains on MacBook Pro.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48279420]The notifications on Android is clean and simple, on apple stuff it has a fucking immovable stock ticker and hasn't changed since it was added No the air is a joke and their other laptops have been mildly updated while everybody else in the laptop game is surging ahead If you are having windows freeze upgrade from 98 to win 7, you can't buy a laptop today that doesn't run Windows well[/QUOTE] the stock ticker has been removable since like fucking ios 5? i can reorganize my notifications to show up in any order I want, either by time or by specific app. when I swipe down with notifications, it automatically opens to the "notifications" tab and not the "today" tab. if I don't have notifications, it goes to "today" which shows widgets like date/weather/calendar/etc which is also fully customizable and can be entirely removed if wanted dunno where you're getting this idea - iOS notifications are excellent. iOS7 overhauled the fuck out of it but they were still good in 6 and before. [editline]23rd July 2015[/editline] have you ever even used an iphone???

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;48275203]The single biggest reason I prefer Android over iOS, is that if I want to put music on my phone, I just copy the MP3 from my computer to my phone, and it works. No dealing with iTunes and having to go through massive leaps and hurdles just to put a song on my phone. Same goes for every other type of files.[/QUOTE] you don't have to go through jumps or hurdles to just drop and drag to an iPhone regardless of DRM. Google Play Music has about the same file support as iTunes [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;48279798]the stock ticker has been removable since like fucking ios 5? i can reorganize my notifications to show up in any order I want, either by time or by specific app. when I swipe down with notifications, it automatically opens to the "notifications" tab and not the "today" tab. if I don't have notifications, it goes to "today" which shows widgets like date/weather/calendar/etc which is also fully customizable and can be entirely removed if wanted dunno where you're getting this idea - iOS notifications are excellent. iOS7 overhauled the fuck out of it but they were still good in 6 and before. [editline]23rd July 2015[/editline] have you ever even used an iphone???[/QUOTE] most of these people probably haven't used an iPhone [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;48279217]Their notification menues are garbage, their laptops are just....well dated, underpowered, and lacking very important ports, I mean the iPhone 6 has probably been their biggest hit in a long time, the large entry barrier to the watch will probably keep it held back for this generation[/QUOTE] what ports are the Macbook Pro Retinas missing exactly are you looking at the Macbook Pro and not the Retina? the non retina hasn't had an update in years

I've been android since my first phone and I can safely say I'm 100% happy.

I understand being unhappy with OEMs but Android itself? It's not like there's much of an excuse when you can get a Nexus on pretty much every carrier.

Windows phone wins again..... :disappoint:

News like this are becoming less relevant to me lately, because honestly the phone type I like is dead anyway (full keyboard side slider) and the smartphone industry is an ever increasing mess of design stagnation. I can't see the difference between the HTC one and the Samsung Galaxy S9001 because they're really just the same shit with slight variations. The biggest form factor change has been LG's moving the control on the back of the phone. Woww. We need a relevant third OS again (oh hey I just remembered windows phone exists), to make everyone get off their ass a bit and realize just how completely stale the industry is, because it's a bit dumb that in some ways phones today still dont have features they used to have back in 2007.

[QUOTE=wewt!;48285061] because it's a bit dumb that in some ways phones today still dont have features they used to have back in 2007.[/QUOTE] Which are...? Genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48285092]Which are...? Genuinely curious.[/QUOTE] Same, because my phone does everything the old phones used to do, and a SHITLOAD more, and it doesn't looks like the usual samsung copy pasted crap of a phone. Next phone I'm getting is basicaly gonna be a cross between the old dumbphones and smartphones: performance powerhouse with all the smartphone functionalities, in a small rather tough and water resistant body with a GREAT battery. Boy I love that thing.

[QUOTE=KingKombat;48273587]I'm totally guilty of this. I switched from my HTC One, of all phones, to the 6 plus, and I haven't looked back. I don't even like Apple as a company - but this thing is the bee's fuckin' knees dude.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna do exactly the same thing very shortly. My One + was probably the worst device I've ever used in my entire life. I've had to deal with overheating, lag, random OS refreshes, and a camera that is likely damaged due to the overheating.

Im starting to look at new phones now that the Nexus 5 is getting a bit dated (hell of a phone, though) and we'll see if the OnePlusTwo is good enough to keep me on android, because the 6 looks really appetizing.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48285092]Which are...? Genuinely curious.[/QUOTE] The biggest missing feature across all modern phones is real time multitasking. Seriously, why does my browser have to refresh the page when I open the app again? Why cant it load in the background? Apps freezing in the background is a post iOS/Android thing. Then there's things like lens covers, folding out stands, full qwerty keyboards with backlighting. Then there things some have and others dont: -stereo speakers -removable batteries -SD card slots -HDMI outs -Completely in built user customizable themes -pressure sensitive touchscreens A general focus towards content creation and not consumption (actual smartphone managing systems that arent basic as fuck) Then theres things that made a recent return: -video editing (my N95 had video editing software, which the iPhone got a solid three years later) -post N9 took a good few years for android to go touch driven only, ams even then no UI has matched the swipe interface of MeeGo -Metal outer bodies I am truly bothered only by two or three of these things. But you cant not notice that all these slates are just the same shit.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48273763]I would switch to any company any day if someone just started making phones with actual fucking buttons again. I hate touch screens, and has the following functionality: calling and texting.[/QUOTE] I have to ask - why? For dialling numbers there's no difference in speed and accuracy at all because the dialler app makes the numbers so huge. For texting, small qwerty keyboards are disadvantageous in basically every way. Physical keyboards don't have gesture typing, the ability to change the layout/language on the fly, and buttons wear out and start feeling weird a lot faster than your touchscreen will.

There's no way I could use iOS, it's far too restrictive and locked down, and the interface sucks.

[QUOTE=wewt!;48290846]The biggest missing feature across all modern phones is real time multitasking. Seriously, why does my browser have to refresh the page when I open the app again? Why cant it load in the background? Apps freezing in the background is a post iOS/Android thing. Then there's things like lens covers, folding out stands, full qwerty keyboards with backlighting. Then there things some have and others dont: -stereo speakers -removable batteries -SD card slots -HDMI outs -Completely in built user customizable themes -pressure sensitive touchscreens A general focus towards content creation and not consumption (actual smartphone managing systems that arent basic as fuck) Then theres things that made a recent return: -video editing (my N95 had video editing software, which the iPhone got a solid three years later) -post N9 took a good few years for android to go touch driven only, ams even then no UI has matched the swipe interface of MeeGo -Metal outer bodies I am truly bothered only by two or three of these things. But you cant not notice that all these slates are just the same shit.[/QUOTE] why would you need a pressure sensitive touchscreen there are like no use cases?

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48294632]why would you need a pressure sensitive touchscreen there are like no use cases?[/QUOTE] drawing

[QUOTE=krutomisi;48294674]drawing[/QUOTE] Use a tablet, don't draw on a fucking 5 inch phone.

I just don't think the two are comparable. If you want a high end phone experience but aren't techy get an iphone. Otherwise get an android.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48294632]why would you need a pressure sensitive touchscreen there are like no use cases?[/QUOTE] Are you serious Right clicking? Hovering[I]? [/I][I]Any [/I]gesture driven function that you could base on pressure? Not to mention that sketching on even a 3.5 inch N900 was a dream. You can't know what heaven is till you've had the equivalent of photoshop in your pocket. [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;48294698]Use a tablet, don't draw on a fucking 5 inch phone.[/QUOTE] A smartphone used to be someting that could create content regardless of it also being small. Some people use way too many different devices, from a phone, to a phablet, to a tablet, to a netbook, to a laptop, to a desktop. Because you could never actually make something worthwhile on a 3.5 inch screen smartphone from like, 2009 right? [IMG]http://nokiasaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/4722220714_cc7c5a9d6f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4629646839_d138c21bf4_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://orig04.deviantart.net/a4eb/f/2010/144/b/6/joanne_by_seaedge.jpg[/IMG] These were made by two artists using MyPaint on the N900, a smartphone from 2009. There was far less fucking around with pressure enabled styluses (something you need to spend extra money on) and other third party hardware. Why? Because the stylus in it was just a piece of plastic, the screen itself was pressure sensitive. Sure, it's a niche. But so is real time multitasking. So is having it connect to a virtual machine. And writing word and excel documents. Oh wait, you know what also used to be niche on a smartphone? Email. Smartphones used to [I]be[/I] niche. You only got one if you knew you needed it. It was made to save you time and money, not to absorb both of those. Now a smartphone doesn't do [I]smart[/I] things anymore, or rather the focus on them is minimal, the bigger focus is for it to be a multimedia platform for entertainment. And frankly, that's not a bad thing, it's just that its specialized nature needs to come back.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48274984]Odd, I had no issues with my friend's moto g on lolipop.[/QUOTE] It might be a different level of expectation then. I've mostly been on WP - which means apart from long loading times, the system itself is pretty much always fast.

If you want a modern phone with actual buttons and no bullshit, take a look at the [URL="http://us.blackberry.com/smartphones/blackberry-classic/overview.html"]Blackberry Classic[/URL].

[QUOTE=General;48273616]I really regret getting an iphone The lack of freedom and itunes is pissing me off[/QUOTE] I'd say this is why I have an iPod for music but that still requires iTunes.

I definitely enjoy the customization and whatnot with Android, but it isn't worth dealing with tons of bugs, lag, and bloatware. I got a brand new S5 within a month of it coming out, and it was super buggy and laggy from the start. And it got even more buggy and laggy when I upgraded to Lollipop, which was about 8 months after it came out because I had to wait for Samsung + my carrier to make it available. I'm switching to iOS soon.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;48296917]I got a brand new S5 within a month of it coming out, and it was super buggy and laggy from the start. And it got even more buggy and laggy when I upgraded to Lollipop, which was about 8 months after it came out because I had to wait for Samsung + my carrier to make it available. [/QUOTE] it seems to me that it has a lot more to do with the specific phone you have, or the company that makes it. I've had my oneplus one for about a year now and the only issue I've ever had was when something happened to the keyboard that made it lag really bad. they fixed it within a month, and other than that it's been completely smooth and free of any kind of bugs.

[QUOTE=wewt!;48294806]Are you serious Right clicking? Hovering[I]? [/I][I]Any [/I]gesture driven function that you could base on pressure? Not to mention that sketching on even a 3.5 inch N900 was a dream. You can't know what heaven is till you've had the equivalent of photoshop in your pocket. [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] A smartphone used to be someting that could create content regardless of it also being small. Some people use way too many different devices, from a phone, to a phablet, to a tablet, to a netbook, to a laptop, to a desktop. Because you could never actually make something worthwhile on a 3.5 inch screen smartphone from like, 2009 right? [IMG]http://nokiasaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/4722220714_cc7c5a9d6f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4629646839_d138c21bf4_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://orig04.deviantart.net/a4eb/f/2010/144/b/6/joanne_by_seaedge.jpg[/IMG] These were made by two artists using MyPaint on the N900, a smartphone from 2009. There was far less fucking around with pressure enabled styluses (something you need to spend extra money on) and other third party hardware. Why? Because the stylus in it was just a piece of plastic, the screen itself was pressure sensitive. Sure, it's a niche. But so is real time multitasking. So is having it connect to a virtual machine. And writing word and excel documents. Oh wait, you know what also used to be niche on a smartphone? Email. Smartphones used to [I]be[/I] niche. You only got one if you knew you needed it. It was made to save you time and money, not to absorb both of those. Now a smartphone doesn't do [I]smart[/I] things anymore, or rather the focus on them is minimal, the bigger focus is for it to be a multimedia platform for entertainment. And frankly, that's not a bad thing, it's just that its specialized nature needs to come back.[/QUOTE] iOS essentially has right clicking via "press and hold," takes about 2 seconds or less to have a little popup show up for copy/paste/translate/etc. most other modern phones have the same functionality. styluses are niche because gesture-based operating systems are a million times more intuitive and useful than having a clunky stylus hit excessively small buttons - there's a reason they've mostly been pushed out of the market, and it's 90% because touch screens are good enough to not even require styluses anymore. sure, you give up quality painting for that, but you make usability and intuitiveness skyrocket in comparison. everything else about modern smartphones has far, FAR surpassed older dumbphones or early smartphones. the one valid complaint you've had is that painting is more difficult without pressure-sensitive touchscreens - but guess what, modern touchscreens make [I]everything else[/I] feel easy as sin. Trying to type on an old-style pressure-sensitive screen was hellishly difficult and hit-or-miss almost always - now it's incredibly easy. Fuck painting if it means I can type as fast as I can type on a keyboard with my touchscreen. Most of your complaints are personal niches. Physical buttons on something the size of a phone is dramatically inferior to modern touchscreen texting. There's a lot of things that just don't make sense that you're complaining about. HDMI out? Just fucking stream it with a chromecast or any other million of equivalents. HDMI plugs would take up a good 10% of the size of a phone and add another crevice for dirt and dust to enter and another hole for water to damage the phone. That's the most nitpicky thing anyone could want. User-customizable themes? Are you forgetting how awful most of those were? I prefer the level of customizability in my fucking iPhone in comparison to those old-style early smartphones. You're looking through nostalgia-goggles at technology that is entirely obsolete and "features" that are archaic and have been long beaten. I guarantee that every single stereo speaker on an old smartphone is completely inferior to the mono speakers on almost every single iPhone or other modern smartphone. The sound on old phones was fucking terrible. Seriously, none of your complaints (besides maybe painting or removable batteries or something) have any merit - it's just your own personal preferences that most other people don't care about and most designers would absolutely hate to incorporate. if you want a phone like that, buy an old smartphone, because according to the market [I]nobody else wants a phone like that[/I]. Stylus phones don't sell well in the first place - why would anyone ever willingly choose to move from the smoothness of a capacitive touch screen to the horrible unusability of the old resistance touchscreens?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48296967]it seems to me that it has a lot more to do with the specific phone you have, or the company that makes it. I've had my oneplus one for about a year now and the only issue I've ever had was when something happened to the keyboard that made it lag really bad. they fixed it within a month, and other than that it's been completely smooth and free of any kind of bugs.[/QUOTE] Yeah, almost every single person in this thread that's had a really bad experience with Android has had a Samsung :v: [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] When you buy an Acer shitbox, don't complain about Windows being slow.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48279176][B]I'm pretty sure the Oneplus One is still the best phone for photography.[/B] I'd imagine the Oneplus Two will be even better.[/QUOTE] lmao [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Levelog;48297762]Yeah, almost every single person in this thread that's had a really bad experience with Android has had a Samsung :v: [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] When you buy an Acer shitbox, don't complain about Windows being slow.[/QUOTE] that's funny because samsung make the best android phones right now

[QUOTE=.Lain;48297914]lmao [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] that's funny because samsung make the best android phones right now[/QUOTE] They really don't though? Unless you like plastic piles of shit that rarely get updated and have the worst custom skin.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48297762]Yeah, almost every single person in this thread that's had a really bad experience with Android has had a Samsung :v: [editline]26th July 2015[/editline] When you buy an Acer shitbox, don't complain about Windows being slow.[/QUOTE] The difference between a Samsung Android phone and an Acer shitbox running Windows is that the Acer shitbox is not regarded as the best for Windows. Before I got my phone, the guy selling it and the FP Android thread and all of my friends said that Samsung was the best pick. I feel that I spent $600 on the best that Android has to offer and I don't want to spend another $600 to give it another chance when I could just get an iPhone and know that I won't have to deal with bugs and lag.