[QUOTE=TheTalon;19485619]I kind of like this idea, Passengers take control of aircraft, Unanimous decision for the pilot to drop to 8,000 feet, open a door, throw his ass out, continue with flight[/QUOTE]
Sort of like D.B. Cooper but without the parachute, I like it.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;19481694]That's right. a 56 Year old Uncooperative passenger, probably refusing to put his seat in the full upright position, has prompted Norad to send TWO F-15 Eagles to intercept and escort the plane back to KPDX[/QUOTE]
"I don't know what the threatening remarks that prompted a fighter escort were, so I will assume they weren't serious"
Good thinking!
it's obvious they had a VIP onboard.
At least they sent outdated old F-15s after the defenseless fighter jet, instead of doing something stupid like breaking out a Raptor.
Man, if Al Qaida really wanted to hurt us, all they have to do is recruit a few hundred people to board airplanes and start throwing punches at the stewardesses at the same time. Hell, they don't even have to be on the planes, you can shut down an airport by walking the wrong way through security.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19486132]At least they sent outdated old F-15s after the defenseless fighter jet, instead of doing something stupid like breaking out a Raptor.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the Air National Guard has any Raptors.
This is what happens when the people at NORAD are bored.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;19483267]Because they carry hundreds of people, is impossible to Counter-Terrorist to physically stop you, and get's international attention.[/QUOTE]
exactly on a plane counter-terrerist's dont have spawn poitns so terrerirsts win by default
"But I don't want to put my bag up :saddowns: "
"SCRAMBLE THE JETS"
I can see why. With the Christmas terrorist plot, they don't want it to happen again.
They did everything correctly, IMO.
Wouldn't you be scared of a passenger that refused to put his carry-on bag up? You would think there's a bomb inside that got past checkpoint.
[QUOTE=Benie;19486425]You would think there's a bomb inside that got past checkpoint.[/QUOTE]
Nowadays with all these security breeches, I agree with this. TSA is dropping the ball like crazy nowadays.
Awesome that we can all criticize actions we know nothing about. Just like the stranger that walks up to a mom to tell her how to dicipline her autistic child that isn't obvious. Or maybe a friend of a friend that calls you and slams you for something you did,but has no idea that the friend you told to fuck off was drunk and trying to molest you. It is a greater ability to wait and see what the truth is than pass judgement of matters we know nothing about. Were you on that plane? Does the media alwas provide all information of a story? Do you know where I am am or what I am wearing? Common people,let's rant about why we don't take action about the homeless, or the abused in this county.Why not take a stand against religious persecution around the globe,or hate crimes,or maybe just why the kid on the corner never seems to have any friends. Common people...there has got to be way more to the story than just a "disruptive passenger". Sorry but F-15's arent scrambled just cause a guy won't put his bag up. WHether or not there was an aircraft at stake may be a question,but this guy was no crotchety old man.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;19486180]This is what happens when the people at NORAD are bored.[/QUOTE]
"Hey guys, did you hear! Restless passenger aboard a commercial airliner!"
"Oh shit, scramble the jets!. Finally we get some action."
[QUOTE=Okeydokeyman;19481854]Imagine being in a plane that's been ordered to be taken down by fighter jets.[/QUOTE]
Imagine being the pilot that has to shoot down the plane, just the guilt the pilot has to live with. Killing innocent civilians just to kill a couple of terrorist.
[QUOTE=Mr.2007;19495070]Imagine being the pilot that has to shoot down the plane, just the guilt the pilot has to live with. Killing innocent civilians just to kill a couple of terrorist.[/QUOTE]
But in the end, if it was going to hit a tower or the pentagon or something similar, he would save lives. Though living with that guilt would be horrible.
[QUOTE=Fables;19482012]They learned how to fear terrorist; which in the end just makes them win?[/QUOTE]
Actually, yea.
Oh god why does Salem have to get on the news in this way.
Oh yeah because we're a bunch of rowdy hooligans who want to keep our bags in our laps.
brb gonna bring fingernail clippers in my pocket through the security checkpoint
[QUOTE=JerryK;19481861]I'd open the hatch.[/QUOTE]
You can overcome several tons of air pressure on the door?
If he refused to stow a carry on bag by his feet, I could easily see some people being edgy about it maybe being an explosive. Fighter's may seem like an overkill, but what else would they do?
[QUOTE=TH89;19486143]I don't think the Air National Guard has any Raptors.[/QUOTE]
Air National Guard were among the first to get them. I believe most of them are stationed in Elmendorf Alaska, so it wouldn't really help. We have used them to escort some Russian bombers out of US airspace though.
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I don't think the Air Force ever got their full order since they cut the program.
[QUOTE=Benie;19486425]I can see why. With the Christmas terrorist plot, they don't want it to happen again.
They did everything correctly, IMO.
Wouldn't you be scared of a passenger that refused to put his carry-on bag up? You would think there's a bomb inside that got past checkpoint.[/QUOTE]
I was just about to post about how stupid they were, and you go and make me feel stupid before my post has even been written... :downs:
[QUOTE=TheTalon;19482140]Imagine being the pilot of the plane ordered to bring it down, personally if it were me given the order, and it was over open ocean, I'd try to shoot out the engines. A level flying commercial airliner, No problem for a Fighter Pilot and the cannon on his Aircraft, although the probability for the pilot of the airliner, even if he has control, to make a successful water landing, and that's if the engines don't just fucking explode, is next to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, but the odds of survivability are still better than an Aim 9 in the ass[/QUOTE]
The point is that they never actually have to take them down.
Their presence is something that the hijackers can do nothing about. The fact that they are there means the military acknowledges that the passengers on the plane are much smaller in number than the potential casualties caused by the airliner hitting something.
So no matter what they do on board or where they try and take the plane, they won't accomplish anything. For some, it may be enough to force surrender eventually when they realize the have exhausted their options. For others it may mean that the process is drug out for long enough that the passengers regain control of the aircraft. And for the rest of the situations it ensures that those planes don't cause any more casualties than the passengers on board.
But yeah, I assume they would prefer to disable the aircraft if in a location that permitted it.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;19482140]Imagine being the pilot of the plane ordered to bring it down, personally if it were me given the order, and it was over open ocean, I'd try to shoot out the engines. A level flying commercial airliner, No problem for a Fighter Pilot and the cannon on his Aircraft, although the probability for the pilot of the airliner, even if he has control, to make a successful water landing, and that's if the engines don't just fucking explode, is next to abso-fucking-lutely nothing, but the odds of survivability are still better than an Aim 9 in the ass[/QUOTE]You'd better hope the plane doesn't hit the ocean too fast then. Depending on the speed, velocity, and angle of impact, a plane that crashes into open ocean can, quite literally, shatter into billions of little tiny pieces, because the water becomes as hard as concrete.
That Air France plane that went missing over the ocean is an example.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;19504162]You'd better hope the plane doesn't hit the ocean too fast then. Depending on the speed, velocity, and angle of impact, a plane that crashes into open ocean can, quite literally, shatter into billions of little tiny pieces, because the water becomes as hard as concrete.
That Air France plane that went missing over the ocean is an example.[/QUOTE]
Then it becomes the worlds most expensive jigsaw puzzle to find out what happened.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;19485511][B]You'd think 1 jet would be enough to destroy a defenseless plane.[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorties are never flown singleton unless its something like recon.
Now see, I can see why they're cautious, but what is an F-15 going to do to help make the passenger cooperative? Other than intimidation, it can't really help at all.
(Note, this is assuming the passenger was [i]not[/i] a terrorist)
[QUOTE=Evil Policeman;19521356]Now see, I can see why they're cautious, but what is an F-15 going to do to help make the passenger cooperative? Other than intimidation, it can't really help at all.
(Note, this is assuming the passenger was [i]not[/i] a terrorist)[/QUOTE]
If you had read the thread you'd know that it was incase he took over the plane.
They see you naked at airports.
When it's finally proven that this was a big waste of everything, I hope the government sticks the airline with the bill. Do you know how much it costs just to launch a billion-dollar jet like that? Neither do I, but it has to be a lot, since it carries missiles worth more than the average neighborhood.
why not send f-22's, that'd be a force to be reckoned with
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