Pit bull jumps 6-foot fence, attacks 9-year-old Birmingham boy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;48778310]Okay you can not punish the owner for not locking up the dog properly imo, unless he placed some shit right next to the fence. 6 feet should be way more than enough.[/QUOTE] Really, you can. A 6 foot fence is nothing to a normal sized dog, they can jump very high and even when they can't jump over 6 feet they can jump part way of use the momentum they get to climb the rest of the way.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48778399]can't wait until someone actually says "He should have just calmed the dog down" [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] as if you could possibly do that [U]while being attacked[/U][/QUOTE] They could have tazed his leg :v:

And this is why Pitbulls should be banned.

[QUOTE=Riutet;48778748]Really, you can. A 6 foot fence is nothing to a normal sized dog, they can jump very high and even when they can't jump over 6 feet they can jump part way of use the momentum they get to climb the rest of the way.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBJTFXoIK8[/media]

[QUOTE=TheHydra;48778689]yes it does. chihuahuas are the pissiest dogs ever because the people who get them usually mishandle them and they turn into territorial growling little biting shitheads[/QUOTE] Okay cool except chihuahuas are significantly easier to deal with than a pitbull, which were bred with the express purpose of fighting.

[QUOTE=dannass;48778698]Define poorly trained please. If a dog fears other humans he's more likely to be aggressive to either protect his owner or to protect himself. It's the owners responsibility to prevent this thoughtprocess. Therefore it's highly likely for any dog that is poorly trained to become aggressive no matter what race. What's your beef with pit bulls dude?[/QUOTE] I have a beef with allowing anyone to own dangerous breeds like pit bulls, German shepherds and Rottweilers without restriction.

My roommate owns a pitbull, and it is the worst trained animal I have ever seen. He recovered it from the humane society after it was used as a training dog, meaning it was held still while other pitbulls attacked it for training. On top of this she was used to breed them without proper treatment or handling so her breast area is all saggy. A thoroughly abused animal. Currently she is 7 years old, and has 3 other dogs and a cat as family. She has never attacked or lunged at another living thing while under their care other than a squirrel and that was limited to dragging on a leash and barking like any other poorly trained dog. Hell whenever she wants to be let in from outside she doesnt even bark, she just lays out in the sun by the door. I know this is just a temperament and not training because she jumps on furniture when people don't look at eat left overs etc. Overall she is just a goofy stereotypical dog, though she was very close to being one of these aggressive dogs when adopted. So what is the point of me saying this? Are pit bulls naturally sweet? Fuck no, what I am trying to say is that the owner and the environment of ANY animal is the key to proper behavior. That dog has been through hell and back but with proper care and awareness of what it is around she has never had a single incident despite terrible treatment early on in her life. Our backyard fence is 4 feet high and she has gotten out a total of three times with her buddy dog, one of the times a woman pulled over with her mustang and picked her up. She pulled up on the side of the road and opened the fucking passenger door and motioned for her and she just jumped right in the dingus. I don't know who is dumber in that situation (the woman), but regardless Lemon (the dog) was the most cooperative while the other dog ran off from the lady. So an animal whose entire point in existing was to be abused has lived 7 years without once hurting anything even though she has been in a position to easily kill multiple things multiple times. Obviously this doesn't mean to "test" your dog and you should always have supervision of an animal, but even a shitty upbringing does not define an animal. And this is coming from a cat person, I hate that goofy animal.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778809]I have a beef with allowing anyone to own dangerous breeds like pit bulls, German shepherds and Rottweilers without restriction.[/QUOTE] german shepherds and rottweilers are super well behaved, so much so that they give both of them to blind people to help them get around

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778611]Probably the fact that he was bred for generations for dog fighting.[/QUOTE] Yes, but they were also bred to be exceedingly docile to humans, so you wouldn't have to worry about your prize winning fighting dog attacking you when you stich him up, or feed him or whatever.

[QUOTE=V12US;48778719]There's no bad dogs, only bad owners.[/QUOTE] Again, this is a complete lie. I posted this in the last thread about pitbull attacks and I'll post it again: [url]http://blog.dogsbite.org/2011/08/2011-fatality-pregnant-pacifica-woman.html[/url] This woman raised her pitbull from a puppy, and was a member of an organisation to dispel the belief that pitbulls are killers, not the sort of person who would train her pet to attack - and her pitbull killed her and her unborn child.

[QUOTE=Lium;48778854]Again, this is a complete lie. I posted this in the last thread about pitbull attacks and I'll post it again: [url]http://blog.dogsbite.org/2011/08/2011-fatality-pregnant-pacifica-woman.html[/url] This woman raised her pitbull from a puppy, and was a member of an organisation to dispel the belief that pitbulls are killers, not the sort of person who would train her pet to attack - and her pitbull killed her and her unborn child.[/QUOTE] Okay, let me put it differently then. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners who get a dog they cannot handle or train properly.

[QUOTE=TIIIN MAAAN;48778747]There are SO many breeds of dogs. So goddamn many. And at least half of them would be classified as "the nicest damn dogs" by anyone who owns that breed. My theory is that people who prefer pitbulls only do it out of spite and "fight the liberals" bullshit.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? I said they're sweethearts because I've met hundreds of them, personally know a good chunk of those and not one of them is a bloodthirsty animal like everyone who bashes pit bulls seems to think. They were bred for the wrong reason but they aren't inherently violent. That is a behavior and is trained into them. The only thing breeding gave them was strength

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778809]I have a beef with allowing anyone to own dangerous breeds like pit bulls, German shepherds and Rottweilers without restriction.[/QUOTE] Seems to me like you have a bad case of "clickbaitinitiz"

[QUOTE=butre;48778836]german shepherds and rottweilers are super well behaved, so much so that they give both of them to blind people to help them get around[/QUOTE] Yes, but that's because they're usually owned by people who recognise the fact that those breeds can turn nasty if you don't train them well. Pit bulls are often owned by people who use them as a dick-waving tool and don't bother to train them properly. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=dannass;48778886]Seems to me like you have a bad case of "clickbaitinitiz"[/QUOTE] Haha, epic zinger bro! You sure got me!

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778809]I have a beef with allowing anyone to own dangerous breeds like pit bulls, German shepherds and Rottweilers without restriction.[/QUOTE] Your beef is ignorance condemning an entire breed because you believe them to be dangerous killing machines. Do you condemn entire countries if someone with their nationality does something bad or distasteful? Pit bulls are the friendliest tanky dogs ever. I have yet to see a dog breed other than pit bulls be as well mannered and lovely to everyone, including being safe for kids. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] As well, every German shepherd I've met barrels over people, better ban those too because a few are poorly trained

[QUOTE=ghghop;48778932]Your beef is ignorance condemning an entire breed because you believe them to be dangerous killing machines. Do you condemn entire countries if someone with their nationality does something bad or distasteful? Pit bulls are the friendliest tanky dogs ever. I have yet to see a dog breed other than pit bulls be as well mannered and lovely to everyone, including being safe for kids. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] As well, every German shepherd I've met barrels over people, better ban those too because a few are poorly trained[/QUOTE] Okay, that's great and all but I never said to ban them, nor did I "condemn" all dogs of that breed. It's plain logic and statistics that certain dog breeds are more likely to cause harm to people due to their size and predispositions, and thus there should be restrictions placed on ownership of those breeds.

[QUOTE=TIIIN MAAAN;48778747]There are SO many breeds of dogs. So goddamn many. And at least half of them would be classified as "the nicest damn dogs" by anyone who owns that breed. My theory is that people who prefer pitbulls only do it out of spite and "fight the liberals" bullshit.[/QUOTE] that and because they look like buffed up freaks sometimes, which apparently gives them street cred, which is why people get them.

As someone who has been around dogs his entire life, I'll just say this: Pitbulls are sweet dogs, when given proper care and affection, and are socialized. Socialization is key to a dog's upbringing. When Pitbulls are trained for fighting, they're usually isolated. This makes them afraid and agressive towards things other than their owner. Pitbulls are naturally strong dogs, that's why they're used for fighting purposes. When isolated enough, ANY dog can be aggressive. My mother had coon hounds for years. One of them, which came from a litter that we took in, was heavily babied by my mother, was never socialized, and turned into a pretty aggressive, albeit lazy hound. The other, older coon hound we had was incredibly friendly, so much so that she'd pee on the floor out of excitement when she saw new people. She wasn't properly socialized, but she was raised well. Dogs need two things: good upbringings, and socialization. Compare those dogs to my mother's boyfriend's Maltese-Yorkie mix. Properly socialized, and properly raised. Izzy is one of the sweetest, cutest little things you'll ever meet. Any dog can be naturally aggressive. All dogs, however, can be raised properly. This is the key. Owners are the problem, not dogs.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778957]Okay, that's great and all but I never said to ban them, nor did I "condemn" all dogs of that breed. It's plain logic and statistics that certain dog breeds are more likely to cause harm to people due to their size and predispositions, and thus [B]there should be restrictions placed on ownership of those breeds[/B].[/QUOTE] Why didn't you mention that in the first place instead of calling them killing machines and going off the rails with bullshit about how other poorly trained dogs are not as aggressive as poorly trained pit bulls,k9's and rottweilers? It's obvious you haven't even been near any of them. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779018]As someone who has been around dogs his entire life, I'll just say this: Pitbulls are sweet dogs, when given proper care and affection, and are socialized. Socialization is key to a dog's upbringing. When Pitbulls are trained for fighting, they're usually isolated. This makes them afraid and agressive towards things other than their owner. Pitbulls are naturally strong dogs, that's why they're used for fighting purposes. When isolated enough, ANY dog can be aggressive. My mother had coon hounds for years. One of them, which came from a litter that we took in, was heavily babied by my mother, was never socialized, and turned into a pretty aggressive, albeit lazy hound. The other, older coon hound we had was incredibly friendly, so much so that she'd pee on the floor out of excitement when she saw new people. She wasn't properly socialized, but she was raised well. Dogs need two things: good upbringings, and socialization. Compare those dogs to my mother's boyfriend's Maltese-Yorkie mix. Properly socialized, and properly raised. Izzy is one of the sweetest, cutest little things you'll ever meet. Any dog can be naturally aggressive. All dogs, however, can be raised properly. This is the key. Owners are the problem, not dogs.[/QUOTE] This This And more of this.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48778957]Okay, that's great and all but I never said to ban them, nor did I "condemn" all dogs of that breed. It's plain logic and statistics that certain dog breeds are more likely to cause harm to people due to their size and predispositions, and thus there should be restrictions placed on ownership of those breeds.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been around or even touched one of those breeds of dogs? [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] We took my brothers German Shepherd [I]puppy[/I] to a dog park and there was this ignorant bitch yelling at us for owning an attack dog because her dumb-shit golden retriever would play with our dog [I]without intervention from the owner.[/I] So when our dog would play back and chase her dog. (Again, she was a puppy) the owner would scream and yell at us to control [I]our[/I] dog when [I]her[/I] dog was instigating everything. Once she left the other owners there approached us and said hey don't worry that lady was nuts, she doesn't understand dogs. Some people shouldn't own dogs, and the determination shouldn't be the breed. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TIIIN MAAAN;48778747]There are SO many breeds of dogs. So goddamn many. And at least half of them would be classified as "the nicest damn dogs" by anyone who owns that breed. My theory is that people who prefer pitbulls only do it out of spite and "fight the liberals" bullshit.[/QUOTE] My cousin is one of the biggest Austin liberals out there, art major married to a man that played in an indie band and is covered in tattoos. They've owned tons of pitbulls. All of them are sweethearts. Try again.

I had no idea that a dog could climb that high, that's pretty amazing.

[QUOTE=maeZtro;48779082]I had no idea that a dog could climb that high, that's pretty amazing.[/QUOTE] 6 feet is nothing. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzFtP6x5uw[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dn4ppvfGT4[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcoPGeV7Rlo[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcdYzCsKVn8[/media] There are also breeds known for their ability to escape, like Siberian Huskies.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779018]As someone who has been around dogs his entire life, I'll just say this: Pitbulls are sweet dogs, when given proper care and affection, and are socialized. Socialization is key to a dog's upbringing. When Pitbulls are trained for fighting, they're usually isolated. This makes them afraid and agressive towards things other than their owner. Pitbulls are naturally strong dogs, that's why they're used for fighting purposes. When isolated enough, ANY dog can be aggressive. My mother had coon hounds for years. One of them, which came from a litter that we took in, was heavily babied by my mother, was never socialized, and turned into a pretty aggressive, albeit lazy hound. The other, older coon hound we had was incredibly friendly, so much so that she'd pee on the floor out of excitement when she saw new people. She wasn't properly socialized, but she was raised well. Dogs need two things: good upbringings, and socialization. Compare those dogs to my mother's boyfriend's Maltese-Yorkie mix. Properly socialized, and properly raised. Izzy is one of the sweetest, cutest little things you'll ever meet. Any dog can be naturally aggressive. All dogs, however, can be raised properly. This is the key. Owners are the problem, not dogs.[/QUOTE] This man gets it. The only thing that I could add is that it's impossible for dogs to be "born aggressive". Anger isn't genetic, strength and muscle mass are.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;48778375]This is going to be a lllooonnngg thread. I wonder what ticked the dog off to target these particular boys?[/QUOTE] Could be little more than pure psychotic rage. Pits are known for being violent and aggressive when not raised properly and it's entirely possible this particular dog was not raised properly. OR it's also possible the kids were somehow antagonizing it. Maybe even inadvertently, just through their normal play the sounds and/or smells were something the dog couldn't put up with. It's hard to tell.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779018]As someone who has been around dogs his entire life, I'll just say this: Pitbulls are sweet dogs, when given proper care and affection, and are socialized. Socialization is key to a dog's upbringing. When Pitbulls are trained for fighting, they're usually isolated. This makes them afraid and agressive towards things other than their owner. Pitbulls are naturally strong dogs, that's why they're used for fighting purposes. When isolated enough, ANY dog can be aggressive. My mother had coon hounds for years. One of them, which came from a litter that we took in, was heavily babied by my mother, was never socialized, and turned into a pretty aggressive, albeit lazy hound. The other, older coon hound we had was incredibly friendly, so much so that she'd pee on the floor out of excitement when she saw new people. She wasn't properly socialized, but she was raised well. Dogs need two things: good upbringings, and socialization. Compare those dogs to my mother's boyfriend's Maltese-Yorkie mix. Properly socialized, and properly raised. Izzy is one of the sweetest, cutest little things you'll ever meet. Any dog can be naturally aggressive. All dogs, however, can be raised properly. This is the key. Owners are the problem, not dogs.[/QUOTE] Exactly. There was a point during high school where some kid got bit by a pit bull in my city so there was a huge movement by a bunch of people to force second hand dog training because they didn't believe a pit bull could refrain from being a death machine without professional [I]expensive[/I] training. I joined in on a counter thing where we went around with our pit bulls and a bunch of information about how fear mongering has put a very loyal and kind dog breed in a bad light [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] Thankfully no stupid regulations were put in place because a lot of the people who own the sweet animals would have to give them up or put them down of they had to pay some of the training fees

Dogs can suffer from psychosis or neurosis, it is probably more prevalent in certain breeds.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779018]As someone who has been around dogs his entire life, I'll just say this: Pitbulls are sweet dogs, when given proper care and affection, and are socialized. Socialization is key to a dog's upbringing. When Pitbulls are trained for fighting, they're usually isolated. This makes them afraid and agressive towards things other than their owner. Pitbulls are naturally strong dogs, that's why they're used for fighting purposes. When isolated enough, ANY dog can be aggressive. My mother had coon hounds for years. One of them, which came from a litter that we took in, was heavily babied by my mother, was never socialized, and turned into a pretty aggressive, albeit lazy hound. The other, older coon hound we had was incredibly friendly, so much so that she'd pee on the floor out of excitement when she saw new people. She wasn't properly socialized, but she was raised well. Dogs need two things: good upbringings, and socialization. Compare those dogs to my mother's boyfriend's Maltese-Yorkie mix. Properly socialized, and properly raised. Izzy is one of the sweetest, cutest little things you'll ever meet. Any dog can be naturally aggressive. All dogs, however, can be raised properly. This is the key. Owners are the problem, not dogs.[/QUOTE] I hate to turn this into a quote circlejerk over this post but can we bring this up every time we start some long-ass spat over whether or not we need to exterminate pitbulls

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;48778380]Whats up with Pit Bulls attacking people recently? If I remember correctly there was another incident not far back.[/QUOTE] Pitbull attacks are the most common form of dog attacks that happen in the US IIRC

I agree that dogs need a good upbringing but isn't the fact that a lot of pitbulls (not all) don't get this and this is why so many of them bite or maul people. Stereotyping people with pitbulls isn't right but I would say it was a safe bet.(In England anyway.) If you eradicate the breed though the people inclined to prefer this breed would just move on to one similar. 2014 statistics for the U.S For fatal attacks: 42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;48779139]This man gets it. The only thing that I could add is that it's impossible for dogs to be "born aggressive". Anger isn't genetic, strength and muscle mass are.[/QUOTE] Anger and behavior can absolutely be genetic. You can raise an animal in the best environment with all the love in the world but if they are predisposed for metal problems then that's all moot. I had a German Shepard that was from a lineage of police dogs, and she was trained, and so where her parents and she was a fantastic guard dog, but she was prone to violence. We had to get rid of her after she bit three kids. It was the kids faults in all cases, as in following her to kennel and reaching in ignoring all her warning signs. Regardless, she was violent. Just like humans can have mental illness, or behavior issues that run in the family, so can dogs. A dog breed as a fighting dog, even if that dog isn't raised in that manner, is going to have it's whole lineage chosen for traits that make aggressive dogs which makes it unpredictable. Then again, this is coming from someone who now has a conceal carry license because of how many instances that I have had myself and my dog attacked by neighborhood pitbulls. You might speak a different tune if you've ever heard the sound of a pitbull tearing across yards and roads in the dead of night coming right for you, your girlfriend and your 15 year old defenseless sled dog.