Pit bull jumps 6-foot fence, attacks 9-year-old Birmingham boy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;48779139]This man gets it. The only thing that I could add is that it's impossible for dogs to be "born aggressive". Anger isn't genetic, strength and muscle mass are.[/QUOTE] Anger IS genetic. Evolutionary psychology is a fucking HUGE thing. [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=karlosfandango;48779247]I agree that dogs need a good upbringing but isn't the fact that a lot of pitbulls (not all) don't get this and this is why so many of them bite or maul people. Stereotyping people with pitbulls isn't right but I would say it was a safe bet.(In England anyway.) If you eradicate the breed though the people inclined to prefer this breed would just move on to one similar. 2014 statistics for the U.S For fatal attacks: 42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.[/QUOTE] In fact, here's a paper which analyzes [B]32 years[/B] of dog bite cases, and finds that pitbulls are the overwhelming majority. They're over-represented to the point that even if [B]only every fourth reported pitbull attack was legitimate, they would still be the significant majority [/B][url]http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-merritt-clifton-2014.pdf[/url]

I thought this was Birmingham UK, read block and thought "alright tower blocks, rough area" read shot and thought "alright tower blocks, rough area" and didn't even realise it wasn't the UK until Alabama

Ultimately all dogs have the capacity to be sweet, kind dogs, but you'd be an idiot to deny that when a pit bull gets violent that it absolutely has the capacity to be much more dangerous. They're insanely strong dogs. And, like posted above, you cannot ignore the statistics. I believe dog ownership as a whole, not just for those who own bully breeds, is something we need to reevaluate. Lots of people don't give their dogs the environment, care or whatever that they deserve. Dogs are not an easy, short-term commitment. For example, how many small dogs get returned to shelters because Mrs. Stepford Mom figured out that a little chihuahua is a lot more than a cute accessory to drop into a purse? Straw-man to the max, I know, but I think the argument is valid. A [I]lot[/I] of people don't give dogs proper care.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48778703]The environment, aka the life the dog lives and sees through its eyes, aka all the information the dog ever processes, must play at least 50% of the entire equation of what makes the dog "who he is" and how aggressive it is. Genetic information accounting for the rest, a lot of which is "simply" the protein synthesis of various of different types of tissues firstly that without, well, there is no dog. Dog without legs, or dog without lungs or eyes. And then there's the brain, which brings us back to the environment which the brain processes. Hell it's not like pit bulls are this born killers straight from the wild. You, headhumpy, make it sound like dog fighting as a betting sport is somehow wilder than the actual wilderness, where these pit bulls couldn't survive for a single week, where the natural born predators are truly bred.[/QUOTE] "Well they aren't as bad as wolves" is not a legitimate argument. Also, thanks for arbitrarily deciding exactly how much nature vs nurture matters, and then redefining what people mean by nature in that. If nurture equally decides what a dog is, then throwing the dog in the air enough will allow it to fly! What, that's redefining nature vs nurture? No way. When people say nature vs nurture, they're only taking into account the nature that affects behavior. You're saying "nature affects a dog's behavior equally as much as nurture, by the way nature doesn't affect the dog at all". And yes, you [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox]absolutely can[/url] breed for or against aggression. I don't think we should ban pit bulls or anything like that. I agree that we need to focus on good owners and proper training. But the breed still is naturally more aggressive and dangerous than other breeds, even when you account for owners specifically choosing them.

[QUOTE=OvB;48779057]My cousin is one of the biggest Austin liberals out there, art major married to a man that played in an indie band and is covered in tattoos. They've owned tons of pitbulls. All of them are sweethearts. Try again.[/QUOTE] "to be contrary" would be a more generically correct wording.

[QUOTE=V12US;48778719]There's no bad dogs, only bad owners.[/QUOTE] Then why the fuck do Pitbulls account for 70% of dog attacks

[QUOTE=Last or First;48779585]Also, thanks for arbitrarily deciding exactly how much nature vs nurture matters, and then redefining what people mean by nature in that. If nurture equally decides what a dog is, then throwing the dog in the air enough will allow it to fly! What, that's redefining nature vs nurture? No way..[/QUOTE] This is very true, domestication is a "nurtured" behavior for example, you can teach animals to trust humans, but you can't fuck with instinct.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;48779378] In fact, here's a paper which analyzes [B]32 years[/B] of dog bite cases, and finds that pitbulls are the overwhelming majority. They're over-represented to the point that even if [B]only every fourth reported pitbull attack was legitimate, they would still be the significant majority [/B][URL]http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-merritt-clifton-2014.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE] [quote]Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bulls and their close mixes make up only about 6% of the total U.S. dog population, according to my frequent surveys of regionally balanced samples of classified ads of dogs for sale, but they constitute 37% of the dog population in U.S. animal shelters at any given time, according to my 2013 single day shelter inventory survey, which followed up similar surveys producing similar results done in 2004, 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012. [/quote] 6% of the population yet they constitute the overwhelming majority of assaults, which are noted in the study as being unusual in that Pit Bulls target adults as frequently as children.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48778703]The environment, aka the life the dog lives and sees through its eyes, aka all the information the dog ever processes, must play at least 50% of the entire equation of what makes the dog "who he is" and how aggressive it is. Genetic information accounting for the rest, a lot of which is "simply" the protein synthesis of various of different types of tissues firstly that without, well, there is no dog. Dog without legs, or dog without lungs or eyes. And then there's the brain, which brings us back to the environment which the brain processes. Hell it's not like pit bulls are this born killers straight from the wild. You, headhumpy, make it sound like dog fighting as a betting sport is somehow wilder than the actual wilderness, where these pit bulls couldn't survive for a single week, where the natural born predators are truly bred.[/QUOTE] Uh no, certain dogs are bred to be aggressive. Genetics isn't just physical appearance lol...

[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;48778418]This makes me so mad. Pitbulls are the most agressive and bloodthirsty dog race out there, and the only people who get them are assholes who train them to do exactly that or don't know jack about training dogs and then this happens. You should need a license to buy dogs like this and if they bite anyone, immediately put them down.[/QUOTE] Pittbulls are actually less aggressive than average. They instead tend to be trained towards aggression. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;48778406]Hahah, good one. Although I'm sure that if a pit bull is risen and spoiled like a baby from birth, it couldn't even hurt a fly.[/QUOTE] A dog that's spoiled like a baby from birth will actually end up more aggressive than one trained relatively carefully. All those barking lapdogs that go around yapping? That's an example of a spoiled, very aggressive dog. They're just so tiny most people confuse their aggression for cuteness.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48779702]Pittbulls are actually less aggressive than average. They instead tend to be trained towards aggression. [/QUOTE] Do you have a source for this?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48779635]Then why the fuck do Pitbulls account for 70% of dog attacks[/QUOTE] 1. That number is a [I]little[/I] skewed since Pitbull attacks are reported more often. And 2. Pitbulls are strong and agile dogs. That's why they're trained for fighting. Dogs like Rottweillers constantly have hip problems. Pitbulls are stocky and really well built dogs. They have strong jaws too so they can do more damage. Like I said, that's why they're trained for dog fighting. That, coupled with social neglect and/or abuse can make them pretty aggressive.

From what I've heard pitbulls are very susceptible to their environment and treatment. If you're aggressive to them and in an aggressive environment, they'll be the meanest dogs on the planet. Likewise, if you're sweet to them, they'll be the most loving dogs ever

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779886]1. That number is a [I]little[/I] skewed since Pitbull attacks are reported more often. And 2. Pitbulls are strong and agile dogs. That's why they're trained for fighting. Dogs like Rottweillers constantly have hip problems. Pitbulls are stocky and really well built dogs. They have strong jaws too so they can do more damage. Like I said, that's why they're trained for dog fighting. That, coupled with social neglect and/or abuse can make them pretty aggressive.[/QUOTE] So pitbulls account for about 2/3 of known dog attacks because 1. People don't tend to report dog bites unless it's a pitbull? 2. They have strong jaws, they are well built and occasionally they are mistreat or abused.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48779702]Pittbulls are actually less aggressive than average. They instead tend to be trained towards aggression. A dog that's spoiled like a baby from birth will actually end up more aggressive than one trained relatively carefully. All those barking lapdogs that go around yapping? That's an example of a spoiled, very aggressive dog. They're just so tiny most people confuse their aggression for cuteness.[/QUOTE] [Citation needed] I suggest mandatory background checks for pitbull and rottweiler owners.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779886]1. That number is a [I]little[/I] skewed since Pitbull attacks are reported more often. And 2. Pitbulls are strong and agile dogs. That's why they're trained for fighting. Dogs like Rottweillers constantly have hip problems. Pitbulls are stocky and really well built dogs. They have strong jaws too so they can do more damage. Like I said, that's why they're trained for dog fighting. That, coupled with social neglect and/or abuse can make them pretty aggressive.[/QUOTE] Even if there was some sort of societal conspiracy to report Pit Bull attacks more often than other breeds, they're still going to constitute the majority of dog attacks.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48779886]1. That number is a [I]little[/I] skewed since Pitbull attacks are reported more often.[/QUOTE] Probably because they're the most likely to result in injury. A skewed statistic can still have relevance.

Fucking ridiculous amount of hatred for a breed that had no control over their masters

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48779947][Citation needed] I suggest mandatory background checks for pitbull and rottweiler owners.[/QUOTE] Looking at how many pets are abandoned in the world, I think fucking EVERYONE should have a proper background check and mandatory microchip implantation.

And with the stats concerning dog attacks, actual account of what happened play into the why the dog did it, the dogs lifestyle and environment also play a role too. You can't judge them all as harshly as you all are purely on numbers.

[QUOTE=ghghop;48780213]And with the stats concerning dog attacks, actual account of what happened play into the why the dog did it, the dogs lifestyle and environment also play a role too. You can't judge them all as harshly as you all are purely on numbers.[/QUOTE] Some breeds are just more inclined to violence by default.

[QUOTE=dannass;48778661]That could be said for every big dog ever.[/QUOTE] A lot of big dogs will just become scared and afraid of humans. Pitbulls are aggressive and bred for killing so they'll be aggressive and kill unless you specifically teach them to not do that. They're a dangerous breed and you shouldn't be able to own one without having specifically proven you can handle its proper care and training. As far as I'm concerned the breed shouldn't even exist and their classification as purebred is creating countless issues, but since people are so inclined to defend pitbulls I guess the best solution is to actually treat them like what they are, living weapons bred to kill.

Last pitbull thread had people arguing in favor of lion ownership. The pro pit people are driven by emotion.

And the anti pit people are driven by stupidity.

[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;48778418]This makes me so mad. Pitbulls are the most agressive and bloodthirsty dog race out there, and the only people who get them are assholes who train them to do exactly that or don't know jack about training dogs and then this happens. You should need a license to buy dogs like this and if they bite anyone, immediately put them down.[/QUOTE] 11 posts in, that was quick

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;48780274]And the anti pit people are driven by stupidity.[/QUOTE] and statistics.. You have a very useful username.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;48780274]And the anti pit people are driven by stupidity.[/QUOTE] How are statistics and facts stupid

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48780232]A lot of big dogs will just become scared and afraid of humans. Pitbulls are aggressive and bred for killing so they'll be aggressive and kill unless you specifically teach them to not do that. They're a dangerous breed and you shouldn't be able to own one without having specifically proven you can handle its proper care and training. As far as I'm concerned the breed shouldn't even exist and their classification as purebred is creating countless issues, but since people are so inclined to defend pitbulls I guess the best solution is to actually treat them like what they are, living weapons bred to kill.[/QUOTE] If they're living weapons, do I need to go to the sheriff's office and apply for a license if I want one? I havery to do that every five years with my CCW permit, so I was wondering

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;48780312]If they're living weapons, do I need to go to the sheriff's office and apply for a license if I want one? I havery to do that every five years with my CCW permit, so I was wondering[/QUOTE] In the UK you used to need a dog licence. Now we have the [URL="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/65/contents"]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/65/contents[/URL]

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48779940]So pitbulls account for about 2/3 of known dog attacks because 1. People don't tend to report dog bites unless it's a pitbull? 2. They have strong jaws, they are well built and occasionally they are mistreat or abused.[/QUOTE] As for 1, yeah, pretty much. The media likes to use Pitbulls for fear mongering for ratings. A lot of dog attacks, even if they're just bites, go unreported. Pitbulls get more widely reported because they stir up controversy like this, and because of how infamous underground dog fighting circles have become. 20, 30 years ago, people were pretty much having discussions like this about Rottweillers, and they got represented very poorly in the media as a result. And for 2... [QUOTE]and occasionally they are mistreat or abused.[/QUOTE] Yes. This is the main reason for domestic dog attacks. Don't give me shit about instincts or them being aggressive. That can apply to all dogs. They're not like lions and tigers taken right out of the wild. These are animals that have had generations and generations of evolution, adaptation, and domesticity. If a dog is locked up all day and mistreated, you'd better believe they'd attack someone they're unfamiliar with. Introduce your dog to people, keep them around different kinds of people, take them on walks, whatever. They won't be aggressive if you just socialize them. A lot of Pitbulls don't get socialized because many get trained for dogfighting, and as a result, many normal people with Pitbulls are too afraid to take them out because of how others might view them.