• Al Gore: US democracy has been hacked
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[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;39468923]"The more laws the Government makes about what big business can do, the more power big business will have" How the FUCK does that work?[/QUOTE] Congress almost never writes their own laws anymore. They are written by special interest groups and private interests, which always have loopholes in them that they can utilize.
[QUOTE=Ridge;39468934]Congress almost never writes their own laws anymore. They are written by special interest groups and private interests, which always have loopholes in them that they can utilize.[/QUOTE] SAFE was written by law makers, But only to please there next elections coming up this year. (NY) Look at all the holes and mistakes in that law, Hurt the police even.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;39468461]So a Republic.[/QUOTE] you know venice was a republic in the medieval ages right? except no one voted except a small class of merchants who elected life-term doges. republics can be democratic, republics can be undemocratic. republic is simply a style of government where leaders are representative of a certain constituency, whereas democracy is more of a philosophy that endorses political power being centered around the majority of the people. the two terms are not mutually exclusive, nor are they mutually inclusive. [editline]4th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;39468923]"The more laws the Government makes about what big business can do, the more power big business will have" How the FUCK does that work?[/QUOTE] when businesses control the regulators and the lawmakers regulation often becomes simply a tool of large corporations to ensure their dominance over competitors.
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;39468923]"The more laws the Government makes about what big business can do, the more power big business will have" How the FUCK does that work?[/QUOTE] 1) The government has a lot of controlling power in an industry. 2) The government is made of individuals who make the decisions. 3) Average individuals are swayed by money and power. 4) Big business can offer money and power. 5) Big business can therefore sway individuals in government. 6) Big business can therefore sway government. 7) Big business has a lot of controlling power in an industry. If you take out the power of government to control an industry big businesses won't be able to to take control of that power. Look at any heavily regulated industry and you will find an industry ruled by lobbyists. This can be seen very clearly through the creation of required licensing to practice a trade. These are always requested by people in that profession, not the consumers. They do this because it makes it much harder for competition to arise and therefore gives them a greater control over the market. This applies to professions like plumbing, contracting, etc.
[QUOTE=sgman91;39468383]Big business can only 'hack' a government that has power to regulate those businesses. The more regulation we have the more big business will be in control.[/QUOTE] Are you one of those people who want to dismantle the ED / DoE / EPA / UN and remove all restrictions on companies?
Also, we have a constitutional republic. [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;39469031]Are you one of those people who want to dismantle the ED / DoE / EPA / UN and remove all restrictions on companies?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what kind of person I am, either my statements are correct or they aren't. I say there are giant heaps of proof that the more regulation an industry has the more control the large corporations in that industry have and the more likely monopolies/oligopolies are to form.
Relevant: [video=youtube;DtK89K9xEBM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtK89K9xEBM[/video]
[QUOTE=sgman91;39469032]It doesn't matter what kind of person I am, either my statements are correct or they aren't. I say there are giant heaps of proof that the more regulation an industry has the more control the large corporations in that industry have and the more likely monopolies/oligopolies are to form.[/QUOTE] There's also 'giant heaps of proof' that non-regulation is harmful to everyone/thing [I]but[/I] the company and it's executives.
If this is true then I guess the next question would be do we do something or do we just stand idly by?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39468985]you know venice was a republic in the medieval ages right? except no one voted except a small class of merchants who elected life-term doges. republics can be democratic, republics can be undemocratic. republic is simply a style of government where leaders are representative of a certain constituency, whereas democracy is more of a philosophy that endorses political power being centered around the majority of the people. the two terms are not mutually exclusive, nor are they mutually inclusive. [/QUOTE] Don't bother. I've been yammering about the definition of republic and democracy, and Americans I've talked to still don't get it. The longer the discussion goes the more likely one of them spit out that "Two wolves and a sheep" shit.
[QUOTE=redhaven;39469993]Don't bother. I've been yammering about the definition of republic and democracy, and Americans I've talked to still don't get it. The longer the discussion goes the more likely one of them spit out that "Two wolves and a sheep" shit.[/QUOTE] Everytime someone here asks what kind of government America is, I always used to answer "Democratic-republic", and then they'd correct me and say that it's a republic. It's like the citizens here are ok with saying that they pretty much have no say in what goes on at all in government.
Curruption, fiat currency, central banks, media control and puppets... I think we might have a bad case of oligarchy here.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39467441]Americans are too lazy for a revolution, we are too comfortable with our entertainment and computers for that[/QUOTE] Except when it's about guns
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