[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45767127]Wait, what's there to attack Russia for here? What did Russia do?[/QUOTE]
Fuel fire to a war, aid terrorists, aided in the killing of civilians, caused an act of war, provided grounds for terrorists to brew. I could go on.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767111]They are the russian version of the jewish internet defense force.
[editline]22nd August 2014[/editline]
By your logic, if I get 500 bags of chips and most of them are emtpy then everything else is full !
Fuck logic, right ?[/QUOTE]
Look, you can keep throwing epic zingers or look at the same sources provided.
"Some Russian Aid Trucks Are Nearly Empty, Reporters Find"
They weren't shown all the trucks. Are you psychic? Can you see that all the trucks are empty over the internet? Remember, stuff was literally bulging out from them before.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45767127]Wait, what's there to attack Russia for here? What did Russia do?[/QUOTE]
The fact that it doesn't even register as suspicious is telling of your state of mind.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767111]They are the russian version of the jewish internet defense force.
[editline]22nd August 2014[/editline]
By your logic, if I get 500 bags of chips and most of them are emtpy then everything else is full !
Fuck logic, right ?[/QUOTE]
Ah straight off with the ad hominem.
If your argument is lacking, just spice it up a little by insulting and demeaning the other person. It makes you right.
I accept that Russia is using it to make a statement. I accept the rebels are getting support from someone in Russia.
But you cannot deny that they are trying to provide aid, those trucks are not empty. That aid is aid which might save lives. Other countries haven't offered similar convoys, Russia are politicizing it but they will be saving lives. And whats worse Ukraine is trying to stop them saving lives because they don't want Russia to help the people they cannot. They will let people die and starve rather than admit that Russia has the resources to help the citizens which they don't.
You also cannot deny that the armies "anti terror operation" has lead to the deaths of civilians and the destruction of civilian buildings.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767143]Fuel fire to a war, aid terrorists, aided in the killing of civilians, caused an act of war, provided grounds for terrorists to brew. I could go on.[/QUOTE]
But right now? Except being horribly guilty of poor logicstics. What crimes does Russia commit that one should reject it's humanitarian aid?
You wouldn't be in that stubborn position if you were in Ukraine, where there are no jobs, no water or light in many towns being "liberated", constant danger of getting some shrapnel added to your brain tissue, humilation from both sides.
People are being helped - Russia is bad.
People are being bombarded by grads in Donetsk - Ukraine is great, Russia is bad.
I think we should rename Russia to R.U.S.S.I.A. for more evilness.
The incredible case of Putinger's aid.
The trucks are empty - Russia is putting on a show and is evil.
The trucks are not empty - Russia is supplying the rebels, putting on a show and is evil.
Why would all the trucks be empty if they're planning on supplying the rebels through the rebel-controlled checkpoint?
[editline]22nd August 2014[/editline]
Wow dude, our replies are incredibly similar. Some might think we're shilling.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;45767148]Look, you can keep throwing epic zingers or look at the same sources provided.
"Some Russian Aid Trucks Are Nearly Empty, Reporters Find"
They weren't shown all the trucks. Are you psychic? Can you see that all the trucks are empty over the internet? Remember, stuff was literally bulging out from them before.[/QUOTE]
We are talking about a convoy with was suppose to be coordinated with the Red Cross which had no idea of what is going on.
Do you even try to disagree with Putin or are you his lapdog ?
I provide some context and atleast and idea what to expect. You just try and disagree with the obvious as if putin did nothing wrong.
By the way, are you psychic ? Did you see them ? [QUOTE=Demeschik;45767103]It implies that there were full ones, too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767185]We are talking about a convoy with was suppose to be coordinated with the Red Cross which had no idea of what is going on.
Do you even try to disagree with Putin or are you his lapdog ?
I provide some context and atleast and idea what to expect. You just try and disagree with the obvious as if putin did nothing wrong.
By the way, are you psychic ? Did you see them ?[/QUOTE]
Proof on Red Cross having no idea? Seriously asking, I haven't heard of that.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767185]We are talking about a convoy with was suppose to be coordinated with the Red Cross which had no idea of what is going on.
Do you even try to disagree with Putin or are you his lapdog ?
I provide some context and atleast and idea what to expect. You just try and disagree with the obvious as if putin did nothing wrong.
By the way, are you psychic ? Did you see them ?[/QUOTE]
You don't need to see this picture
[t]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu2ocCzCUAA6g-p.jpg[/t]
Not being paranoid about an aid convoy => being putins lapdog
which was distributed before the searchs took palce to imply they were full of weapons.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;45767185]We are talking about a convoy with was suppose to be coordinated with the Red Cross which had no idea of what is going on.
Do you even try to disagree with Putin or are you his lapdog ?
I provide some context and atleast and idea what to expect. You just try and disagree with the obvious as if putin did nothing wrong.
By the way, are you psychic ? Did you see them ?[/QUOTE]
I do not agree with Putin. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
Putin straight up lied about the convoy being agreed on by the Red Cross, and the journalists were let to check only some of the trucks. Why go through all this trouble just to move empty trucks is what I do not understand.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45767210]Makes pretty pictures.[/QUOTE]
Pretty pictures at the price of rightful international suspicion.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45767191]Proof on Red Cross having no idea? Seriously asking, I haven't heard of that.[/QUOTE]
[B]Russia has said the convoy was filled with humanitarian aid supplies. Hayden implied it was not a "legitimate" humanitarian effort, since Moscow is not coordinating with the Red Cross.
[/B]
Read more: [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-russia-ukraine-2014-8#ixzz3B7mRlA4J[/url]
Russia has sent 34 trucks from a humanitarian aid convoy that was stalled at the border for days into eastern Ukraine [B]without Red Cross monitors[/B], in violation of a Russian-Ukrainian agreement, a Ukrainian military official said Friday
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/22/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/[/url]
not sure if bullshit, but one news site here overhypes the story and says that it's a obvious invasion
oh wait, ukraine says its a obvious invasion, and its true
Its all a game by Putin, and our a Russian friends here are too stupid to notice.
[quote=BBC]The risk of the Russian aid convoy causing a further deterioration in relations with Ukraine is now very high. Because the International Committee of the Red Cross is not part of the convoy, the government in Kiev may choose not to recognise it as a humanitarian mission.
The lorries are currently being accompanied by pro-Russian gunmen. So the convoy is likely to be stopped at the front line near the besieged city of Luhansk. Or if it tries to work its way around the Ukrainian government forces, [I]there is a risk of it being attacked - accidentally or intentionally.
The Russian foreign ministry has already a clear sent warning that if the convoy is attacked, Moscow may take action.[/I][/quote]
[QUOTE=Gentry;45767403]Its all a game by Putin, and our a Russian friends here are too stupid to notice.[/QUOTE]
Way to dehumanise people
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45766708]For once Russia does something good and people still attack it. Come on, civillians are getting food![/QUOTE]
at this point the western world just wants to get rid of their long-hated rival in this bipolar world.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45767442]Way to dehumanise people[/QUOTE]
Calling stupid - stupid is not a dehumanization
[QUOTE=Gentry;45767403]Its all a game by Putin, and our a Russian friends here are too stupid to notice.[/QUOTE]
my god, how one-sided can someone be
disclaimer: i do not give a fuck about this struggle nor do i have a preference for russia or us/nato, both sides have their faults
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;45767504]my god, how one-sided can someone be[/QUOTE]
Saying this is posturing by Putin is not one sided.
Its describing what is happening accurately.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45767594]Saying this is posturing by Putin is not one sided.
Its describing what is happening accurately.[/QUOTE]
Theres more to it than putin playing political chess.
There are more sides than just Putin/Russia vs Ukraine.
There are people injured, starving and homeless. The Ukrainian government isn't providing for them and would rather let the suffering continue than let Russia provide for them.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45767629]Theres more to it than putin playing political chess.
There are more sides than just Putin/Russia vs Ukraine.
There are people injured, starving and homeless.[/QUOTE]
Yes and Putin is using the ~injured and suffering~ for his own political game. Like he always has, and always will do.
You're incredibly naive, but we all know that from having to read your dumb posts on the conflict for the last few months.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45767641]Yes and Putin is using the ~injured and suffering~ for his own political game. Like he always has, and always will do.
You're incredibly naive, but we all know that from having to read your dumb posts on the conflict for the last few months.[/QUOTE]
What do you think Putin is? Dr. Evil?
Read your own post, you are turning him into a cartoon style villain.
He is no better or worse then British or USA politicians for there is no good or bad in politics.
It's not black and white, not Putin vs World.
It's a convoy of humanitarian aid, it has been searched and confirmed for safe. It's a big political sign - yes. But who has been hurt by it so far? If anything it ridicules Kiyv and the West because of reactions like yours.
Sadly not just you spit out such one sided messages - politicians in Kiyv do.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45767697]
It's a convoy of humanitarian aid, it has been searched and confirmed for safe. [/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45767697]What do you think Putin is? Dr. Evil?
Read your own post, you are turning him into a cartoon style villain.
He is no better or worse then British or USA politicians for there is no good or bad in politics.
It's not black and white, not Putin vs World.
It's a convoy of humanitarian aid, it has been searched and confirmed for safe. It's a big political sign - yes. But who has been hurt by it so far? If anything it ridicules Kiyv and the West because of reactions like yours.
Sadly not just you spit out such one sided messages - politicians in Kiyv do.[/QUOTE]
Why doesn't he just give it to a real aid organization? Why doesn't he stop sending nearly empty trucks over the boarder to make it look like he's helping more than he actually is.
He's purely just trying to antagonize the Ukrainians and using false-philanthropy as a vehicle to do so.
If he really cared about giving aid to the people suffering he would have done it fucking properly rather than this hamfisted excuse.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45767710]Source?[/QUOTE]
for the third time in the thread
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28799627[/url]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45767710]Source?[/QUOTE]
It was searched a week ago by journalists while it was still pretty far from the boarder.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45767641]Yes and Putin is using the ~injured and suffering~ for his own political game. Like he always has, and always will do.
You're incredibly naive, but we all know that from having to read your dumb posts on the conflict for the last few months.[/QUOTE]
Every politician will use peoples suffering as a means of pursuing their political goals, the problem here for you isn't that he's pulling a PR stunt, its that he is Russian/Putin/not western. The Western governments used the MH17 crash for political leverage and you didn't complain, not a word was said to encourage or push positive identification it was all "rebels r bad" "russia is criminal".
And you finish off your post with an insult, good job.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45767734]Every politician will use peoples suffering as a means of pursuing their political goals, the problem here for you isn't that he's pulling a PR stunt, its that he is Russian/Putin/not western. The Western governments used the MH17 crash for political leverage and you didn't complain, not a word was said to encourage or push positive identification it was all "rebels r bad" "russia is criminal".[/QUOTE]
This entire post is conjecture lol
How do you know that I'm against this simply because its Russian? I'm against it because Putin had no interest in actually delivering aid. If he did he would have done so properly, and not sent an empty gesture of empty trucks with armed rebels riding alongside them to provoke the Ukrainians. He's trying to escalate the situation again.
And what do you really know about what I complained about and what I didn't?
And I insult you because you insult yourself.
I hope they bomb these trucks, it's not humanitarian aid (proven) and whoever thinks that it is in fact aid, has utterly no grasp on reality and is a plain idiot.
[QUOTE=Tasm;45768080]I hope they bomb these trucks, it's not humanitarian aid (proven) and whoever thinks that it is in fact aid, has utterly no grasp on reality and is a plain idiot.[/QUOTE]
"I hope they fall for Russia's invasion pretext!"
real smart dude
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