[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34503951]The real disaster behind Solyndra though is the black mark it's left on the use of solar energy in the US in the eyes of the average person.
I know a guy who has his house running on solar panels, has a diesel generator as a backup when the batteries start to run low and the panels can't keep up due to weather or what have you. It keeps a record of when and how long the generator runs and last year he said it ran for 3 days worth out of the entire year. That's pretty damn amazing if you ask me. Especially since he pays no power bills at all, pretty much all he does pay for is food, fuel and taxes.
Imagine if every home was like his, you wouldn't pay a power bill ever again and except for the occasional time when the backup generator needs to run you'd be running clean.[/QUOTE]
My brother was actually heading design and construction for a large amount of houses like that worth millions back in '08. Then the housing market crashed and it fucked everything up. The only thing different that he did is that his didn't use generators, he had battery arrays in the basement.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;34506949]Yea you can.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia isn't a credible source, it's a compilation of credible source frequently checked for errors via crowd sourcing. The more well-trafficked an article is and the higher the priority in its wikiproject it is the more likely it is that it's correct.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34506847]But one of them overruled the Energy Dept and said no...[/QUOTE]
Looks who it was :v:
Obama.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34510089]My brother was actually heading design and construction for a large amount of houses like that worth millions back in '08. Then the housing market crashed and it fucked everything up. The only thing different that he did is that his didn't use generators, he had battery arrays in the basement.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's exactly what he has, but he also has the diesel generator as a backup to keep the batteries going when the solar panels can't keep up due to weather, but even then it's on average less than a week out of the year that they can't keep up and that's always in the winter when the snow storms come in.
The fuel used during this time is a drop in the bucket compared to the year round fuel use of a car and a hell of a lot less than an annual power bill. Not to mention emissions are just a fraction of what they'd be from the power grid which is the biggest win in my book.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34510372]Yeah, that's exactly what he has, but he also has the diesel generator as a backup to keep the batteries going when the solar panels can't keep up due to weather, but even then it's on average less than a week out of the year that they can't keep up and that's always in the winter when the snow storms come in.
The fuel used during this time is a drop in the bucket compared to the year round fuel use of a car and a hell of a lot less than an annual power bill. Not to mention emissions are just a fraction of what they'd be from the power grid which is the biggest win in my book.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I see. My brother was building them out in the desert. The only real risk out there was dust storms. But yeah, energy efficient homes are responsible for so little emissions that it's almost ridiculous.
-snippe-
[QUOTE=Protocol7;34496102]when Romney or Gingrich or whoever makes it into office it will be the same damn shit
i'm getting tired of this[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the US is going to get itself in some serious shit in the next 30 years or so, maybe when China really takes off, people won't accept a two-party kleptocracy forever
[QUOTE=smurfy;34511392]I'm sure the US is going to get itself in some serious shit in the next 30 years or so, maybe when China really takes off, people won't accept a two-party kleptocracy forever[/QUOTE]
No, we'll accept a one-party Chinese "democracy" instead.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;34510089]Wikipedia isn't a credible source, it's a compilation of credible source frequently checked for errors via crowd sourcing. The more well-trafficked an article is and the higher the priority in its wikiproject it is the more likely it is that it's correct.[/QUOTE]
i mean you're right on their methods but wikipedia has a higher accuracy rate than the encyclopedia britannica.
Another source enters the fight!
[URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/"]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/[/URL]
I think I've found something that helps outsiders understand American politics:
[IMG]http://www.happletea.com/comics/2009-07-01.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34510372]Yeah, that's exactly what he has, but he also has the diesel generator as a backup to keep the batteries going when the solar panels can't keep up due to weather, but even then it's on average less than a week out of the year that they can't keep up and that's always in the winter when the snow storms come in.
The fuel used during this time is a drop in the bucket compared to the year round fuel use of a car and a hell of a lot less than an annual power bill. Not to mention emissions are just a fraction of what they'd be from the power grid which is the biggest win in my book.[/QUOTE]
If you have enough, you can actually [i]sell[/i] power back to the grid and make some money. Even the staunchest of republicans can't say no to profits. I don't understand why we don't have more of these.
[QUOTE=OvB;34519978]If you have enough, you can actually [i]sell[/i] power back to the grid and make some money. Even the staunchest of republicans can't say no to profits. I don't understand why we don't have more of these.[/QUOTE]
Because then less people are paying for power.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;34496073]Sometimes I wish the Republican and Democratic parties were banned. Jesus fuck the stupidity.[/QUOTE]
They're both stupid rich snobby fucks who care only for their own personal advance in life than anyone else, you know who redistributing the wealth wouldn't effect? These very same fucking political "servants" of ours, they take nearly two hundred thousand a year, not taxed plus they get everything free and take as many days of vacation as they so please. So, making everyone equal? Yeah that'll never happen.
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[QUOTE=ewitwins;34519882]I think I've found something that helps outsiders understand American politics:
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I think your post explains both of the two great and stupid biases of American Politics.
Because you're just as stupid and biased as hardcore Republican Conservatives.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34516374]Another source enters the fight!
[URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/"]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yeah, we already covered that. It started under Bush, but the White House shelved it. It was brought back up shortly after Obama was elected, and then his administration gave it the go ahead.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34520121]Yeah, we already covered that. It started under Bush, but the White House shelved it. It was brought back up shortly after Obama was elected, and then his administration gave it the go ahead.[/QUOTE]
Nobody "shelved" anything. It not being finalized under Bush =/= it being shelved under Bush, especially when the [URL="https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=345"]legislation the DoE was operating under[/URL] didn't somehow go away.
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