I hope this doesn't effect much and I'm sure it won't. Honestly I assume it'll just add publicity from the people who get the leak and spread the word of awesomeness.
[QUOTE=Redskins1234;28006771]Weird thought here. During Crysis' 2's devolpment, the CEO, lead devolper and all have all been saying "We're going to show COD how it's done" and generally boasting about the game.
Mabye they had a final look at the game, said "Hey the game doesn't look that good" and came up with the bizzare scheme of leaking the early build, so that if the game flops or doesn't get a good score etc, they have a scapegoat to blame.
"Well in my opinion, the game would have done much better if it weren't for that early leak"
When the HL2 beta leaked, people in the Valve office were qouted as "wondering if the company was going to go under". So the whole leaking being serious thing is already the status qou.
Anyways it was just a weird thought. I've been a fan of Crytek since Far Cry and plan to buy Crysis 2 no matter what.[/QUOTE]
Why would they do that? The leak is probably going to cost them a shitload.
Stupid conspiracy theorists.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28007163]Why would they do that? The leak is probably going to cost them a shitload.
Stupid conspiracy theorists.[/QUOTE]
It could only make sense and not be a retarded conspiracy theory if Crytek had already scraped and rewritten the game.
I kinda wanna pirate it, and then buy it when it comes out, just so I can play it now. Oh well, my computer is too shitty to play it anyway.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;28008068]I kinda wanna pirate it, and then buy it when it comes out, just so I can play it now. Oh well, my computer is too shitty to play it anyway.[/QUOTE]
If you can play Crysis, you can play Crysis 2.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28008272][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQZSHpNcsRk[/media][/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4[/media]
The problem with calling pirates thief's lies in the definition of the word theft.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28007163]Why would they do that? The leak is probably going to cost them a shitload.
Stupid conspiracy theorists.[/QUOTE]
I said it was a weird thought, I don't honestly think this is the case...
[QUOTE=Jsm;28008407][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4[/media]
The problem with calling pirates thief's lies in the definition of the word theft.[/QUOTE]
Person (A) leaks game onto the net.
Persons (B) (C) (D) (E) (F) (G) (H) (I) (J) (K) (L) (M) (N) (O) (P) (Q) (R) (S) (T) (U) (V) (W) illegally download it.
It's ok because (X) (Y) (Z) bought a copy and the rest just copied it, it's not hurting the industry at all.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28008517]Person (A) leaks game onto the net.
Persons (B) (C) (D) (E) (F) (G) (H) (I) (J) (K) (L) (M) (N) (O) (P) (Q) (R) (S) (T) (U) (V) (W) illegally download it.
It's ok because (X) (Y) (Z) bought a copy and the rest just copied it, it's not hurting the industry at all.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it was not hurting the industry (which IMO it is not, not that much anyway), it is just wrong to call it theft.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28008806]I didn't say it was not hurting the industry (which IMO it is not, not that much anyway), it is just wrong to call it theft.[/QUOTE]
Have you downloaded Crysis 2?
[sp] I already know the answer, the last 4 pages of your post history is you attempting to justify thievery [/sp]
[QUOTE=Redskins1234;28008445]I said it was a weird thought, I don't honestly think this is the case...[/QUOTE]
Why post it then?
[QUOTE=Winslow;28008895]Have you downloaded Crysis 2?
[sp] I already know the answer, the last 4 pages of your post history is you attempting to justify thievery [/sp][/QUOTE]
It's not theft. I'm against downloading the Crysis 2 leak, so hear me out.
Theft is removing the original: You go to the store and steal, I dunno, a book. The book is gone from the store; the producer loses money because they manufactured it and didn't get paid for it, and they also get no profit. That's theft.
Piracy (internet piracy, of course) is downloading a copy of the original. Say instead of going to the store and STEALING the book, you just torrent it. You get a copy of the same book, but the original remains on the shelf. The producers only lose profit from you not buying the book, while the original copy is still on the shelf. Someone else will buy it, but the producers still don't have your money.
Piracy isn't theft, it's - well, it's piracy.
Both are bad for the industry, though piracy can only do significant damage if it's widespread.
[img]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Toa-Renok/Random/what-a-crysis.png[/img]
Made this out of boredom. It adds to the piracy discussion too.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;28009092]It's not theft. I'm against downloading the Crysis 2 leak, so hear me out.
Theft is removing the original: You go to the store and steal, I dunno, a book. The book is gone from the store; the producer loses money because they manufactured it and didn't get paid for it, and they also get no profit. That's theft.
Piracy (internet piracy, of course) is downloading a copy of the original. Say instead of going to the store and STEALING the book, you just torrent it. You get a copy of the same book, but the original remains on the shelf. The producers only lose profit from you not buying the book, while the original copy is still on the shelf. Someone else will buy it, but the producers still don't have your money.
Piracy isn't theft, it's - well, it's piracy.
Both are bad for the industry, though piracy can only do significant damage if it's widespread.[/QUOTE]
A better comparison would be you going to a bookstore. Scan every page of a book with a scanner, then walk out.
Is the item gone? No.
Did you take the item without paying for it? Yes.
We're not talking about physical items here, we're talking about digital ones. There are always copies of digital items. You pay for the license to use that item. If you download that item illegally, then you are, in fact, stealing it.
It's a goddamn conspiracy I tell you.
EA purposefully leaks Crysis 2 in an attempt to justify their anti-piracy measures and create new DRM that is a self-aware virus that will rapidly infect millions of computers across the world and play into EA's world domination plan.
EA is fucking Skynet!
[QUOTE=Winslow;28008895]Have you downloaded Crysis 2?
[sp] I already know the answer, the last 4 pages of your post history is you attempting to justify thievery [/sp][/QUOTE]
No I haven't, I don't have the time to download 10gb of stuff that will probably run at 5FPS on my PC.
I don't think I have ever tried to justify piracy on here, I have argued the case against retarded DRM, bullshit law suits / laws and the like but I have never tried to justify it (mainly because in most cases piracy cannot be justified)
Even if I had downloaded it, it would not be theft. The sooner people realise this the sooner people can try to adapt to ways that prevent it. Theft is "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.", to take something you must deprive someone of something. By downloading a copy of something you are not taking it, you might be infringing upon their copyright and IP rights (and maybe the EULA, but they are of questionable validity, in Europe at least) but it is not being stolen. If someone broke into a store or the office of a developer and physically removed a copy of the game that would be theft.
[editline]12th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Winslow;28009195]
Is the item gone? No.
Did you take the item without paying for it? [B]Yes[/B].
[/QUOTE]
No, you said it yourself the item was not taken. Thank you for proving your argument is stupid.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;28002258]damn crackers?[/QUOTE]
hey man
dont get racist
Might as well say Solution: Open Source
[editline]12th February 2011[/editline]
Not really what I think but as a response to people who say to have Open Betas or Alphas
[QUOTE=Jsm;28009265]No I haven't, I don't have the time to download 10gb of stuff that will probably run at 5FPS on my PC.
I don't think I have ever tried to justify piracy on here, I have argued the case against retarded DRM, bullshit law suits / laws and the like but I have never tried to justify it (mainly because in most cases piracy cannot be justified)
Even if I had downloaded it, it would not be theft. The sooner people realise this the sooner people can try to adapt to ways that prevent it. Theft is "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.", to take something you must deprive someone of something. By downloading a copy of something you are not taking it, you might be infringing upon their copyright and IP rights (and maybe the EULA, but they are of questionable validity, in Europe at least) but it is not being stolen. If someone broke into a store or the office of a developer and physically removed a copy of the game that would be theft.[/QUOTE]
You are taking their property. It is a DIGITAL COPY. As long as it's Digital, there are always more copies. It's not a password, it's not a car, it's not a hard-drive, but it's still a copy of a program that you are downloading ILLEGALY.
You are downloading a program that you did not pay for without the Author's consent = Theft.
You are still taking the thing, regardless of whether or not you leave a copy behind or not.
Understand, this is DIGITAL theft, not physical theft. You cannot leave perfect carbon-copies of items in real-life when you steal them. Not yet, anyway.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28009343]You are taking their property. It is a DIGITAL COPY. As long as it's Digital, there are always more copies. It's not a password, it's not a car, it's not a hard-drive, but it's still a copy of a program that you are downloading ILLEGALY.
You are downloading a program that you did not pay for without the Author's consent = Theft.
You are still taking the thing, regardless of whether or not you leave a copy behind or not.[/QUOTE]
It is not theft, theft is clearly defined in law as depriving someone of an item. Piracy is copyright infringement and nothing else.
The item is not being taken, if I download Crysis 2 right now Crytek and EA (and the thousands of other people) would still have it.
You cannot steal a digital item because it does not exist, you can only steal physical objects.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28009370]It is not theft, theft is clearly defined in law as depriving someone of an item. Piracy is copyright infringement and nothing else.
The item is not being taken, if I download Crysis 2 right now Crytek and EA (and the thousands of other people) would still have it.[/QUOTE]
Here we are back full circle. The pirate yet again attempts to justify thievery by claiming he didn't really take it, he just took a copy but didn't pay for it.
I weep for the next generation.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28009449]Here we are back full circle. The pirate yet again attempts to justify thievery by claiming he didn't really take it, he just took a copy but didn't pay for it.
I weep for the next generation.[/QUOTE]
stop trying to throw a sheet over everything saying that it's all theft.
It's not that simple.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28009449]Here we are back full circle. The pirate yet again attempts to justify thievery by claiming he didn't really take it, he just took a copy but didn't pay for it.
I weep for the next generation.[/QUOTE]
But piracy is NOT theft. It is clearly defined as copyright infringement. If it was theft people would be arrested and charged (after all theft is a criminal act in most countries, whereas copyright infringement is not an offence it is merely unauthorized).
I'm thrilled to try it out, especially after loving the first one.
But even though I know I'll buy it, I'm still not gonna download that. That's just cruel. :saddowns:
[QUOTE=goon165;28009494]stop trying to throw a sheet over everything saying that it's all theft.
It's not that simple.[/QUOTE]
Oh look, another pirate justifying stealing.
[QUOTE=goon165;27996109]Ok lets try to get back on topic.
The opening Cinematic was fucking awesome wasn't it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=goon165;28007771]some things are missing yes, like a few face textures and some enemy chatter here and there but it's mostly all there.[/QUOTE]
It seems pirates are the only ones defending piracy, how [sp]expected[/sp]
[img]http://www.hipstertravelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pirate_jack_sparrow.jpg[/img]
Keep breaking the law pirates.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28009574]Oh look, another pirate justifying stealing.
It seems pirates are the only ones defending piracy, how [sp]expected[/sp]
Keep breaking the law pirates.[/QUOTE]
Two things in your post are wrong.
Piracy is not theft (as already covered)
Piracy is not illegal (also already covered)
[QUOTE=Jsm;28009502]But piracy is NOT theft. It is clearly defined as copyright infringement. If it was theft people would be arrested and charged (after all theft is a criminal act in most countries, whereas copyright infringement is not an offence it is merely unauthorized).[/QUOTE]
Piracy if theft, you're stealing a potential sale which makes the company lose money.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28009592]Two things in your post are wrong.
Piracy is not theft (as already covered)
Piracy is not illegal (also already covered)[/QUOTE]
LOL
[QUOTE=Jsm;28008806]I didn't say it was not hurting the industry (which IMO it is not, not that much anyway), it[/QUOTE]
Stay stupid pirates.
Apparently it's not stealing, and it doesn't hurt the industry.
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