EA Responds To Crysis 2 PC Leak - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009616]Piracy if theft, you're stealing a potential sale which makes the company lose money.[/QUOTE] You can't steal a potential sale. Nor can it be counted as a loss for the company. It is a loss of possible sale, but if someone was not planning to buy something and pirates it anyway there is no loss there because the sale would not have happened. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Winslow;28009650] Apparently it's not stealing, and it doesn't hurt the industry.[/QUOTE] Please don't take my words out of context, I was referring to this leak not piracy. Piracy clearly does hurt the industry, anyone who says otherwise is blind.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009616]Piracy if theft, you're stealing a potential sale which makes the company lose money.[/QUOTE] Not everyone that pirates would have bought it in the first place.

winslow is just trolling

[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;28009709]Not everyone that pirates would have bought it in the first place.[/QUOTE] That's why it's a potential sale and not a definite sale.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;28009732]winslow is just trolling[/QUOTE] Either that or he has some serious problems understanding the definition of the word theft.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;28009732][/QUOTE] Next pirate? Any more pirates going to justify theft?

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009740]That's why it's a potential sale and not a definite sale.[/QUOTE] The problem is you can't take a potential anything. Someone could argue that people have stolen potential inventions of theirs by inventing something. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Winslow;28009749]Next pirate? Any more pirates going to justify theft?[/QUOTE] No one has actually tried to justify piracy.

[QUOTE=Jsm;28009752]The problem is you can't take a potential anything. Someone could argue that people have stolen potential inventions of theirs by inventing something.[/QUOTE] Let's say the John is looking for a new game, he see's Call of Duty Black Ops, but because it lacks a demo, he pirates it. John finds that he dislikes the game, so he doesn't buy it - Activision have lost a potential sale.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009803]Let's say the John is looking for a new game, he see's Call of Duty Black Ops, but because it lacks a demo, he pirates it. John finds that he dislikes the game, so he doesn't buy it - Activision have lost a potential sale.[/QUOTE] You are right, but it does not equal theft or loss of income (as some publishers claim).

[QUOTE=Winslow;28009749]Next pirate? Any more pirates going to justify theft?[/QUOTE] How can you not see that theft is taking something without leaving the original behind? Piracy is copyright infringement, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Jsm;28009830]You are right, but it does not equal theft or loss of income (as some publishers claim).[/QUOTE] Well if John didn't pirate the game and bought it instead, Activision would have made a sale from the potential sale. It's theft because you're obtaining something without paying for it, this makes it unfair on the honest people who bought it.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009870]Well if John didn't pirate the game and bought it instead, Activision would have made a sale from the potential sale. It's theft because you're obtaining something without paying for it, this makes it unfair on the honest people who bought it.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you cannot steal something that doesn't exist (the x amount of money that they would have gotten from the sale). The problem with the second part of your post is that that is not what theft is.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009870]Well if John didn't pirate the game and bought it instead, Activision would have made a sale from the potential sale. It's theft because you're obtaining something without paying for it, this makes it unfair on the honest people who bought it.[/QUOTE] But with theft, you definitely lose money. When you steal something, that item can't be sold to anyone else. With piracy, it's possible that they could have bought it, but nothing is for sure. I'm not saying piracy is good, but it's not the same as theft.

[QUOTE=Winslow;28009449]Here we are back full circle. The pirate yet again attempts to justify thievery by claiming he didn't really take it, he just took a copy but didn't pay for it. [/QUOTE] so the publishers are entitled all profit (imaginary nonexistent profit or otherwise) on copies that they themselves had no hand in or expense creating the precise item you now poses?. this item has no laundry list of expenses that are owed to anyone to make this specific copy of the item, it is as though you created it out of thin air and as such no one is really [B]negatively or positivity[/B] impacted by not having payed for it. the publisher payed for x amount of copies to be produced, and the sales from that pool of x copies in circulation is what the publisher and developer make money from and all those copies are still in circulation and their debt is still on the shelves for the consumer to cover and they can even still make the projected profit that they estimated they would get by pricing units as they did. so is what your doing theft? or an anomaly cause by impossible to foresee advancements in technology that people would only define as theft to make more money than they are actually physically entitled to?. not so simple now is it?.

[QUOTE=postmanX3;28001089]See, this is why we can't have nice things. Damn pirates.[/QUOTE] don't you understand, its not pirates that are behind this. they'd be pirating the full version. what happened here was a dev leaked it, not pirates

[QUOTE=Jsm;28009904]Yeah but you cannot steal something that doesn't exist (the x amount of money that they would have gotten from the sale). The problem with the second part of your post is that that is not what theft is.[/QUOTE] You can steal someones virginity by raping them. And theft: the act of taking something from someone unlawfully.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28009870]Well if John didn't pirate the game and bought it instead, Activision would have made a sale from the potential sale. It's theft because you're obtaining something without paying for it, this makes it unfair on the honest people who bought it.[/QUOTE] Theft isn't obtaining something without paying. Theft is taking someone's (a company's) possessions. [quote]In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. ...[/quote]

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;28009942]Theft isn't obtaining something without paying. Theft is taking someone's (a company's) possessions.[/QUOTE] It's taking something from someone unlawfully - in this case it's without paying.

Obligatory picture for anyone who think piracy is theft [img_thumb]http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png[/img_thumb] Note: I am not condoning piracy, I'm just telling you: it's not theft. It's its own crime, and one of a far smaller magnitude than theft. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;28009973]It's taking something from someone unlawfully - in this case it's without paying.[/QUOTE] But you don't take anything from anyone when you pirate.

Once people start realizing that the loss of potential profit is not grounds to cause all this bullshit over, the world will be a lot better place. That being said, I hope everyone that pirated the game buys it.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;28009974]Obligatory picture for anyone who think piracy is theft [img_thumb]http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png[/img_thumb] Note: I am not condoning piracy, I'm just telling you: it's not theft. It's its own crime, and one of a far smaller magnitude than theft. [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] But you don't take anything from anyone when you pirate.[/QUOTE] Hell someone who actually bought the item (because someone has to acquire the item is the first place in order to make a copy) is making a copy and [I][U][B]giving[/B][/U][/I] it to. so is sharing a bad thing now?.

[QUOTE=goon165;28010009]Hell someone who actually bought the item (because someone has to acquire the item is the first place in order to make a copy) is making a copy and [I][U][B]giving[/B][/U][/I] it to. so is sharing a bad thing now?.[/QUOTE] You're breaking the terms and conditions of the software license, so sharing in that respect is bad.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28010043]You're breaking the terms and conditions of the software license, so sharing in that respect is bad.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it's still not theft.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;28010056]Yes, but it's still not theft.[/QUOTE] It's theft of a potential sale.

Also note it's the same as if you buy a song and then copy it and give it to a friend. It's still not theft. It's just sharing (illegally). [editline]12th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;28010063]It's theft of a potential sale.[/QUOTE] You can't steal something that doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28010063]It's theft of a potential sale.[/QUOTE] thats like saying that we should not give food to the needy as thats a theft of a potential food sale

Well I for one won't pirate it. If it was made by Activision or Ubisoft I might, but Crytek are a PC developer who I respect. Plus it's one of the few multiplatform releases that isn't a shoddy console port, which deserves recognition.

[QUOTE=Coffee;28010043]You're breaking the terms and conditions of the software license, so sharing in that respect is bad.[/QUOTE] No EULA has actually been tested in court (to the best of my knowledge). As far as I can remember a clickwrap license was ruled to be worthless in one court.

By your logic, if I convince you to not buy a product then I just stole a sale from the company. I made them a lose potential sale, right?

I spent 10 minutes in paint just for you pirates. [img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1395/piratesy.png[/img]