[QUOTE=goon165;28011518]off of the last modified date on the exe, which not the date of the creation of the original but the date the copy was made.
this thing is months old.[/QUOTE]
The build date is apparently the 13th of last month.
[editline]12th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;28011544]Well, it's certainly not going to be what Crytek releases.
Also I like how you assume I'm a pirate because I can tell the difference between piracy and theft.[/QUOTE]
He assumes everyone who tries to argue that piracy is not theft is a pirate. Because obviously only pirates can have an understanding of the law.
Just like only murderers understand murder law.
[QUOTE=goon165;28011354]this doesn't cut it because why are you going after the people who download it and not the people who made the unauthorized copies in the first place?.
so if I unknowingly purchase an unauthorized copy or obtain a copy of something it's all of sudden my fault?.[/QUOTE]
Difference between knowingly and unknowingly. People who download the game with the intention of getting it without paying (whatever they plan on doing next is irrelevant) is doing it knowingly and therefor shouldn't try to give whatever excuses they usually give to try and justify it to others/themselves.
On the subject on unintentional unauthorized purchasing, it is actually your fault. If you get caught in customs with bootlegged items you can get prosecuted. It is your responsibility to make sure things you purchase are authentic.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28011485]ITT: Teenage thieves try and justify breaking the law.
"It doesn't count as piracy because it wasn't finished"[/QUOTE]
oh what would we do without you our shining white knight of justice.
who reported people sharing a press account in world of tanks, probably because you didn't get invited to the party.
[editline]12th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=clanratc;28011573]Difference between knowingly and unknowingly. People who download the game with the intention of getting it without paying (whatever they plan on doing next is irrelevant) is doing it knowingly and therefor shouldn't try to give whatever excuses they usually give to try and justify it to others/themselves.
On the subject on unintentional unauthorized purchasing, it is actually your fault. If you get caught in customs with bootlegged items you can get prosecuted. It is your responsibility to make sure things you purchase are authentic.[/QUOTE]
so ether way it's my fault,
you don't see a problem with this?.
It's a huge problem.. Going after people who casually do it along with thousands of others instead of going after the source... They do this everywhere with everything... Dope dealers on the streets for an example
I'd almost be willing to bet it's intentional just to give people jobs to do
[QUOTE=TheTalon;28011649]It's a huge problem.. Going after people who casually do it along with thousands of others instead of going after the source... They do this everywhere with everything... Dope dealers on the streets for an example
I'd almost be willing to bet it's intentional just to give people jobs to do[/QUOTE]
yes, to have people that [I]look[/I] like they're doing something rather than actually confronting the source of the problem.
[QUOTE=goon165;28011577]
so ether way it's my fault,
you don't see a problem with this?.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
And I'm going to side with the law here. You enabled bootlegging/online piracy therefor you should be punished, doing so unknowingly and other mitigating circumstances would require less harsh punishments though (just the removal of the item imo). I do not know what the punishments for buying bootlegged items are.
I don't see how this discussion is relevant to online piracy as it is done knowingly.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;28011649]It's a huge problem.. Going after people who casually do it along with thousands of others instead of going after the source... They do this everywhere with everything... Dope dealers on the streets for an example
I'd almost be willing to bet it's intentional just to give people jobs to do[/QUOTE]
If piracy stopped what would all those people making money investigating it do??
Its a giant conspiracy I tell you!!!111
[QUOTE=Jsm;28011840]If piracy stopped what would all those people making money investigating it do??
Its a giant conspiracy I tell you!!!111[/QUOTE]
It's not a giant conspiracy, it's just fluff for idiot lawyers to try and make a quick buck
People might say it's stealing and wrong to pirate games but it's just as wrong and as much stealing to sue some poor kid's mother for 50 grand over a lousy download of a game
[QUOTE=TheTalon;28011917]It's not a giant conspiracy, it's just fluff for idiot lawyers to try and make a quick buck[/QUOTE]
I was being slightly sarcastic. Unfortunately your post is closer to the truth.
Too many people abuse the legal systems of various countries going after pirates.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;28001089]See, this is why we can't have nice things.
Damn pirates.[/QUOTE]
crytek employee leaks the game
it's the people who play its' fault
yeah ok sure
The people who pirate the game now are the people who were going to pirate it on the day it was released for real, dummy.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28011970]I was being slightly sarcastic. Unfortunately your post is closer to the truth.
Too many people abuse the legal systems of various countries going after pirates.[/QUOTE]
And going after pirates is bad?
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;28011484]Um, because he released an incomplete build?[/QUOTE]
Looking at the screens of it, seems to be a late one. Head over to the General Screenshots thread in the Games section and see for yourself.
I've played the first 30 minutes or so of this build, and it's absolutely fantastic. I've just pre-ordered this game because I loved the first and I'll do anything I can to support Crytek.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;28012096]Looking at the screens of it, seems to be a late one. Head over to the General Screenshots thread in the Games section and see for yourself.[/QUOTE]
Early January according to the thread.
[QUOTE=clanratc;28012032]And going after pirates is bad?[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily but abusing the legal system to do is. I would say the same no matter what sort of people they were going after.
[QUOTE=goon165;28011577]oh what would we do without you our shining white knight of justice.
who reported people sharing a press account in world of tanks, probably because you didn't get invited to the party.[/QUOTE]
I reported you because it was a PRESS account.
Not a public account, it was created specifically for the press.
Are you part of the press?
Let's hope all devs follower CD Projekt's example.
No DRM, but they are hiring 3 different law firms to sue pirates.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28012175]Not necessarily but abusing the legal system to do is. I would say the same no matter what sort of people they were going after.[/QUOTE]
In what way are they abusing the legal systems?
Because if you are talking about those huge fines they try to give people I am against that as it does not match the crime they have committed.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28012193]I reported you because it was a PRESS account.
Not a public account, it was created specifically for the press.
Are you part of the press?
Let's hope all devs follower CD Projekt's example.
No DRM, but they are hiring 3 different law firms to sue pirates.[/QUOTE]
I can assure you, suing the occasional pirate is not going to stop it completely.
[QUOTE=clanratc;28012205]In what way are they abusing the legal systems?
Because if you are talking about those huge fines they try to give people I am against that as it does not match the crime they have committed.[/QUOTE]
I was referring specificity to this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law[/url] (I think there are other people who have tried it)
Sending out hundreds and hundreds of threatening letters in the hope that people will pay up and not go to court is pretty bad IMO.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28012264]I was referring specificity to this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law[/url] (I think there are other people who have tried it)
Sending out hundreds and hundreds of threatening letters in the hope that people will pay up and not go to court is pretty bad IMO.[/QUOTE]
Thats pretty much blackmail.
[QUOTE=clanratc;28011826]Yes.
And I'm going to side with the law here. You enabled bootlegging/online piracy there for you should be punished, doing so unknowingly and other mitigating circumstances would require less harsh punishments though (just the removal of the item imo). I do not know what the punishments for buying bootlegged items are.
I don't see how this discussion is relevant to online piracy as it is done knowingly.[/QUOTE]
well that's the thing, there's no money involved so this has to be observed in it's own little environment.
if someone is giving out copies of something for free, meaning that no one is being locked out of money that doesn't exist because none of the parties involved is exchanging it for something in return thus you are not entitled to any of it because none exists. him and I and everyone else are criminal scum merely because he is stopping us from giving someone money that doesn't exist and I don't owe them for sales never happened, this is illegal?? I could be fined for retarded amounts of money or even sent to jail because of this?
(this brings a fun image to mind)
[media]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lab793ZVsF1qzr5l1o1_500.jpg[/media]
Mini Tangent: so that law is saying is Jesus was is a criminal because he gave the people free food thus denying the potential sales of fish and potential profits from these sales by fishermen and merchants even though he stole nothing, these sales never happened, and they still have all their fish?, and the people are also criminals because they excepted this offer?.
do you have any idea ridiculas this sounds?, and no not just because were dealing with someone who was magic.
[QUOTE=Shocky;28001276]Who's to say they would not use it to save on development costs of a sequel (assuming there probably will be one). "Oh look, the PC version of Crysis 2 was leaked early, obviously PC gamers don't want us to spend money on them at all. CRYSIS 3 - Console only. Thanks bye. (Cha-ching)"[/QUOTE]
are you 5 years old
you don't get more money selling something to fewer people
[editline]12th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;28011452]How fucking "early" and "incomplete" can it possibly be- only 49 days away from release? Seriously.[/QUOTE]
three months is a looong time in game development
[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1057900-The-1-week-MOD-challenge/page1]this[/url] took only a week with like five people just throwing random things at it, motivated by nothing, wouldn't be surprised if it (crysis 2) was a completely different game by release
[QUOTE=Winslow;28011485]ITT: Teenage thieves try and justify breaking the law.
"It doesn't count as piracy because it wasn't finished"[/QUOTE]
Since you're going on a copying = taking the original basis, it can't be considered theft from your point of view because you can't take something that "doesn't exist" yet, therefore it's not theft.
[QUOTE=goon165;28012357]well that's the thing, there's no money involved so this has to be observed in it's own little environment.
if I someone is giving out copies of something for free, meaning that no one is being locked out of money that doesn't exist because none of the parties involved is exchanging it for something in return thus you are not entitled to any of it because none exists. him and I and everyone else are criminal scum merely because he is stopping us from giving someone money that doesn't exist and I don't owe them for sales never happened, this is illegal?? I could be fined for retarded amounts of money or even sent to jail because of this?
[/quote]
Intellectual property. Buying one game does not give you right to give out copies.
[quote]
(this brings a fun image to mind)
[media]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lab793ZVsF1qzr5l1o1_500.jpg[/media]
Mini Tangent: so that law is saying is Jesus was is a criminal because he gave the people free food thus denying the potential sales of fish and potential profits from these sales by fishermen and merchants even though he stole nothing, these sales never happened, and they still have all their fish?, and the people are also criminals because they excepted this offer?.
do you have any idea ridiculas this sounds?, and no not just because were dealing with someone who was magic.[/QUOTE]
Fictional books aside, he was giving out FOOD to hungry people.
Do you need games, are you addicted?
I believe the point of the Jesus picture was that he was multiplying food and giving the "copies" to people :v:
so I bought this business card, only one of them because it'd be cheaper to copy that one and hand out the cheap copies, except wait apparently that's theft :(
[QUOTE=Winslow;28012651]Fictional books aside, he was giving out FOOD to hungry people.
Do you need games, are you addicted?[/QUOTE]
You're grasping at straws now
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28002138]Changing your opinion doesn't mean you're spineless. Standing up for something with no reason, or without considering changing view points is short sighted.
Ugh.[/QUOTE]
I like how you replied to something that you didn't read.
[QUOTE=Winslow;28012651]Intellectual property. Buying one game does not give you right to give out copies.
Fictional books aside, he was giving out FOOD to hungry people.
Do you need games, are you addicted?[/QUOTE]
ideal remains the same, he gave them something for free, so they didn't have to pay for it, thus under the current law by giving away free copies of an item he denied the potential sales of an item and potential profits even though he made no money from it or stole anything and even if these sales weren't going to take place and no money would have been lost or gained because of it he and everyone who excepts what he is offering is a criminal.
This is ludicrous.
and don't even get me started about Intellectual property and how that is abused as fuck and a flawed concept from the get-go.
[quote=wiki]While these rights are not actually property rights, the term "Property" is used because they resemble property rights in many ways. Under intellectual property law, owners are granted certain exclusive rights to a variety of intangible assets[/quote]
[B]EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO THINGS THAT DO NOT EXIST.[/B]
Full circles, full circles everywhere.
I'm done arguing with children who continually try and justify stealing by claiming they didn't take the original, they only took a copy.
"It doesn't hurt sells"
"It's not stealing"
"It's not piracy because it wasn't the final product"
Jesus fucking christ, are you guys really that stupid?
I'm out, this argument is redundent, you think it's ok, I don't.
Catcha later, thieves.
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